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Offline Xxypher

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The knife!
« on: January 29, 2009, 11:03:12 pm »
This is just my opinion, but I believe the knife doesn't get thrown far enough. I believe it should have another meter or so added on to the distance that it can be thrown. Because guess what? If I can only throw a knife that far, I must have some bad muscular disabilities.

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Re: The knife!
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2009, 11:57:40 pm »
Yeah, but in reality throwing a knife is all about calculating spins and strength of the throw, just to get it to stick. Throwing farther then 3-4 meters (and getting it to stick) is actually pretty hard.

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Re: The knife!
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2009, 12:00:34 am »
Xxypher, you must hold the throw button down to throw it farther.  ;)

If that doesn't answer your question, then I'd have to say, I'm happy with how the knife is now.  Has great damage, and aim. 8)

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Re: The knife!
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2009, 12:44:34 am »
When, you're running or moving fast, the knife will be thrown further. :) Hope this helps.

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Re: The knife!
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2009, 01:35:33 am »
the knife is well balanced. damage speed and aim are just perfect. Any changes related to knife aint needed!

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Re: The knife!
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2009, 01:56:09 am »
Though the problem is, the Knife is far more versatile than all the other secondaries. It outranks many weapons not just in terms of popularity, but in a way because of its usefulness.

I think the Knife's a little too strong, damage reduction could be used, since its throwing range is good enough but its damage over such a long distance is too high. Other than that, it should be perfectly fine.

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Re: The knife!
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2009, 09:53:30 am »
From my point of view (and that's a realistic point of view, I don't play normal mode at all) knife is good, no need to increase its range.

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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2009, 05:09:36 pm »
Knife is good enough (.. a bit overpowered compared to other secondaries, especially law).

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Re: The knife!
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2009, 03:47:29 pm »
I do not think we should buff the knife because it is the best secondary.
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Re: The knife!
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2009, 05:15:17 pm »
Knife is good as it is, any change would be for worse. Besides, play knife game with the knife with less power as you want, and you'll see how stupid it gets! (I tried with friends)

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Re: The knife!
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2009, 08:36:20 pm »
Knife has always been meant to be thrown far for damage (otherwise it can't kill in one hit) and range, who really DOESN'T throw the knife at full strength? So honestly I think the charging up thing is pretty redundant, except if you want to discard your knife for another weapon rather than throw it.

Contrary to the bullet speed shown in weapon.ini, the knife's maximum throw speed is 90. I think minimum should be around 30-45.
« Last Edit: January 31, 2009, 08:41:52 pm by STM1993 »

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Re: The knife!
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2009, 09:26:55 pm »
Well technically say you throw it further, at a faster speed, it will inflict MORE damage. But if it is throw far but SLOW it will inflict LESS damage. This is also used when at the opposite. Say, when you throw the knife FAR, but SLOW it will inflict LESS damage. But when you throw the knife CLOSE but FAST at the opponent it will inflict MOST damage, and normally does one hit kill them.
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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2009, 09:59:26 pm »
If you want to throw the knife further and for more damage, you must throw it at a high speed, which means you must hold down the throw button for a longer time. However, as the knife travels in mid-air, it would, like any bullet, lose speed overtime, therefore losing damage overtime.

That's why it's pretty redundant to have the knife need to charge up before throwing because no one really throws it without using the highest throwing speed possible. Using the strongest throwing speed ensures that the knife does maximum damage and achieve the furthest possible range for 1-hit kills with the knife.

Yes, there are cases whereby the enemy is low on health and close to you where you do not need to hold down the throw to get a guaranteed kill. The option to charge up a throw actually makes the knife versatile in this case.

This is where I'd rather see the knife being forced to be thrown at maximum velocity every time it is thrown, kinda like in previous versions of Soldat, but the time taken to throw the knife would still be as long as what it is currently to throw the knife at the highest possible speed. Then again, the knife is fine the way it is but it needs some tweaks.
« Last Edit: January 31, 2009, 10:07:48 pm by STM1993 »

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Re: The knife!
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2009, 01:41:56 am »
Throwing "far and slow" doesn't make sense. It's physics, if you want to throw far, you must throw with great speed.

Yes, there are cases whereby the enemy is low on health and close to you where you do not need to hold down the throw to get a guaranteed kill. The option to charge up a throw actually makes the knife versatile in this case.

Yes. And because of that few ticks that can be gained in very tough situations I don't like the idea of removing "throw charging".
After all, for players who always throw at full speed keeping this "charging" thing is not a big deal, all they have to do is to hold button instead of tapping it. But for people that not always throw at full speed, removing "charging" would mean a difference in gameplay.

And if you say that "I don't want to hold throw button because when I hold it I can't press right (because index finger, used for pressing right, is pressing throw)", then I say: change your controls, for example change throw button from F to C, and press it with thumb then. I do this.

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Re: The knife!
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2009, 03:05:04 am »
knife is perfect dont discuss about it, we, the knifer playing all the day cws etc and love it like it is now, only thing i get annoyed of is the many bleeds lately ;F
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Re: The knife!
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2009, 02:39:34 pm »
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Throwing "far and slow" doesn't make sense. It's physics, if you want to throw far, you must throw with great speed.

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Re: The knife!
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2009, 05:55:26 pm »
Run backwards while doing rabbit hopping or however it is called, and throw your knife. It will look like it goes x2 faster.

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Re: The knife!
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2009, 06:18:04 pm »
I know how to throw the knife, it is just that it is just that you can throw a knife much farther then that.
Maybe adding length, and making a chance it might now hit an instance kill.

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Re: The knife!
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2009, 10:16:26 am »
leave the knife alone, you want to change it, change the weapons mode, you like it, keep it as it is. If you think it could be more realistic, its a game for some reason :P

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Re: The knife!
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2009, 01:07:47 pm »
it is an instant kill- maybe you're not holding f for long enough
« Last Edit: February 05, 2009, 01:54:35 pm by muzikman »