The knife!

[Twistkill]

it is an instant kill- maybe you're not hold f for long enough

If he throws it at an upwards angle it loses speed quickly before it gains speed again on the way back down due to gravity. That upwards angle also means that he is most likely hitting an opponent in the legs, which means that player receives less damage. It is best used on people rushing you from below, as the knife can be thrown at a downwards angle and it appears to fly very quickly. Gravity is both a blessing and a curse in this case.

[ValiS]

I dont get whats the problem, range of the knife is comparable to that of the m79. You throw a knife farther than a grenade launcher launces a grenade? How many metres is half the screen in soldat?

[muzikman]

and ofc if they're above you then throw a grenade at they're feet for an instant kill- that's how we do things in soldat .  explosion+feet=death ofc

[Twistkill]

I dont get whats the problem, range of the knife is comparable to that of the m79. You throw a knife farther than a grenade launcher launces a grenade? How many metres is half the screen in soldat?

No, the speed of the knife at a full throw is 60 and the speed of an M79 grenade is 107, which is almost double. Not only that, but if you are running when you fire the M79 then it will actually go farther depending on your speed, it also does splash damage, and unlike the knife you don't lose your weapon after using it.

A screen size in Soldat is approximately 50 metres. Please consider the fact that Soldat isn't supposed to be realistic, so if you start bringing up an argument that relates how far a person can actually throw a knife compared to how far a grenade launcher fires an explosive charge, you will be ignored.

[STM1993]

No, the speed of the knife at a full throw is 60 and the speed of an M79 grenade is 107, which is almost double.

To be correct, the full throw speed for knife is actually 90, not 60 according to the weapon.ini.

However, the M79's range is still far greater, because the faster you move forward, the further the M79 flies, but this is NOT the case for the Knife. The M79 will kill in one direct hit all the time, but the Knife loses damage over time and may not be able to kill in a single hit as a result. The M79 has explosive power, but the Knife doesn't.

[-Major-]

the knife is even too overpowered, the damage is just too much. and making it's range even longer, would totally ruin soldat.

[scarface09]

so your saying if you throw a knife at someone's head at crazy speeds and heights it wouldn't kill someone?

[-Major-]

so you're saying that soldat is realistic?

[Vos]

if the knife would be changed like some suggestions in here, the whole knife community is ruined :F leave it men..

[STM1993]

The Knife is actually overpowered. Unfortunately, this is because of the knife's versatility.

I want the knife to be balanced in such a way that it is not overpowered, but it also does not lose its versatility. Perhaps we may have to balance the knife by reducing its damage back to 1.3.0 level (before the ability to charge your throw was implemented) and buffing all the other guns if there are no other choices.

[ValiS]

I dont get whats the problem, range of the knife is comparable to that of the m79. You throw a knife farther than a grenade launcher launces a grenade? How many metres is half the screen in soldat?

No, the speed of the knife at a full throw is 60 and the speed of an M79 grenade is 107, which is almost double. Not only that, but if you are running when you fire the M79 then it will actually go farther depending on your speed, it also does splash damage, and unlike the knife you don't lose your weapon after using it.

A screen size in Soldat is approximately 50 metres. Please consider the fact that Soldat isn't supposed to be realistic, so if you start bringing up an argument that relates how far a person can actually throw a knife compared to how far a grenade launcher fires an explosive charge, you will be ignored.

I know the figures, i said COMPARABLE, of all the weapons m79's range is the closest to knife in my opinion (not counting nades). I mean that it can perform similar tasks, like thowing it in a high arc for a "delayed" shot or throwing over obstacles etc. For me the movements are kinda similar. I did not say they have the same speed or whatever, by range i dont mean strictly the combination of speed and arc, i consider the general tactics also. I know soldat is not realistic and i like it that way, but it seemed to me the topic was started on the premise that "cmon you can throw the knife farther than that". In answer to that i thing 50 metres is far enough to throw a knife. So i think the knife is fine, its not too easy to aim and has other drawbacks like everyone knows.

[Clawbug]

Run backwards while doing rabbit hopping or however it is called, and throw your knife. It will look like it goes x2 faster.

Though, in reality, it goes just as fast as if you were standing still or running forward. I.e. knife speed isn't affected by player speed.

[excruciator]

This is just my opinion, but I believe the knife doesn't get thrown far enough. I believe it should have another meter or so added on to the distance that it can be thrown. Because guess what? If I can only throw a knife that far, I must have some bad muscular disabilities.

How bout lets not make knife more powerful than it already is.

[scarface09]

it doesn't get throw far enough but...

[Shadow_Knight]

its fine as it is.

[Clawbug]

Fine as it is. Too good compared to LAW however, but that is not due to delay in LAW.

[excruciator]

it doesn't get throw far enough but...

If it sucks, you still use it why?

[Lumen-Shroom]

Though the problem is, the Knife is far more versatile than all the other secondaries. It outranks many weapons not just in terms of popularity, but in a way because of its usefulness.

I think the Knife's a little too strong, damage reduction could be used, since its throwing range is good enough but its damage over such a long distance is too high. Other than that, it should be perfectly fine.

I kind of agree, and fix the knife spam glitch where you can sit over a pile of knives and throw em faster than a minigun shoots.

[Lumen-Shroom]

Sorry for doublepost, used to automerge.

Fine as it is. Too good compared to LAW however, but that is not due to delay in LAW.

not IMO, LAW is a great weapon, and if you're good at fireinterval cooking you can eliminate the FI entirely

Run backwards while doing rabbit hopping or however it is called, and throw your knife. It will look like it goes x2 faster.

Though, in reality, it goes just as fast as if you were standing still or running forward. I.e. knife speed isn't affected by player speed.

If you're moving forward it increases range by something like 30%, echo explained that to us on his theories about the m79 and balancing it

[Clawbug]

Sorry for doublepost, used to automerge.

Fine as it is. Too good compared to LAW however, but that is not due to delay in LAW.

not IMO, LAW is a great weapon, and if you're good at fireinterval cooking you can eliminate the FI entirely

Run backwards while doing rabbit hopping or however it is called, and throw your knife. It will look like it goes x2 faster.

Though, in reality, it goes just as fast as if you were standing still or running forward. I.e. knife speed isn't affected by player speed.

If you're moving forward it increases range by something like 30%, echo explained that to us on his theories about the m79 and balancing it

Moving increases knife range by something like 30 %? Just no way. Knife speed isn't affected by player movement speed at all. You can check this by running forwards/backwards and trowing the knife directly upwards. Try same with nades or M79.