Redone minigun? (Spam machine -> Accurate support/assault gun)

[numgun]

How about instead of making the minigun "shoot alot and fast with low damage" replaced with a "shoot alot, slowly with moderate damage and a very large reload"?

This concept would make it a semi-accurate machine gun that fires its rounds much slower than now, with increased damage and a longer reload. The ammo count could be reduced to 70-80 aswell. It would also eliminate the minigun's lag problem and make it more a gun that can be used to fight other soldats. Right now, its a low powered spam machine that is complained and disabled on most servers mainly because its useless in terms of power and efficiency.

I've tried to give the minigun a chance a several times and tried to use it as best as I can, but it simply doesnt have the balls to kill anything. And that is against bots, online is worse since some hits dont register. Killing a soldat with any another auto is much more faster than the minigun.

With the above concept, it would make the minigun function like an accurate support weapon and have equal fighting power against another soldat with another weapon.

Drawbacks would be the long reload (similar to what the LAW has now) after you've used up all the ammo.

[STM1993]

Unfortunately, that'd make the XM214 Minigun just like the FN Minimi, except, perhaps, worse. It will never be implemented officially, plus it is changing the minigun to some other weapon, which is against the "No Suggesting" list.

The minigun isn't meant to kill. It's meant to provide major spraying, bink and bullet push to slow down and bring about great inconvenience to enemies. The 1.5 balance would make sure that this would be true and therefore giving the minigun an improvement for its purpose.

If you really want to use a minigun, the key is actually to crouch on the ground and start shooting. You must take your ability to spray over long distances to your advantage and play defensively. Treat the minigun as a stat gun that has sacrificed damage for firing rate and reload/continuous fire for portability.

The only addition use for the minigun is the fact that it helps you stay in mid-air.

[scarface09]

Trust me, this wont get implemented, so there is basically no point or way in asking to improve or add "Extras" to specific guns...

[Gotfryd]

How about instead of making the minigun "shoot alot and fast with low damage" replaced with a "shoot alot, slowly with moderate damage and a very large reload"?

I think some people just like the idea of useless spamming machine

[numgun]

Oh well, I guess so.

Although there are lots of things about minigun that make it useless or annoying when using/used against. For instance that "propel yourself" thing is familiar to me, but often it results complaining or/and a kick of the server.

The minigun could use a total makeover to make it fit in with the rest of the guns and actually make it a worthwhile and fun weapon to use. : /

[STM1993]

I think the Minigun is fun as it is, especially if you know how to use it. I'd rather see a buff in what it does best rather than a complete makeover =)

[croat1gamer]

and lower the recoil in realistic, now it is then useful as the flamer, or even worse than flamer

[STM1993]

and lower the recoil in realistic, now it is then useful as the flamer, or even worse than flamer

Depends on the situation. In lag, the Minigun is always better. Against bots or in almost no lag, the Flamer reigns supreme.

[croat1gamer]

well, i mean it online, where it is rarely useful cause it is getting eaten
and, its realistic, i barely manage to make 10 bullets fly where i want actually

[numgun]

Its the online game that matters, I dont play against bots at all because its just boring compared to online fighting.

And in online, the minigun is just horrible, abusable and otherwise unwanted weapon.
Minigun's fun lies within messing around rather than serious playing.

STM, do you use the minigun often or at all? I've tried it myself a couple of times but each time its just too weak. In deathmatch, its just plain useless.

Btw, flamer is as useless as a leafblower in soldat. Even in low levels of pings like 10-50.

[STM1993]

STM, do you use the minigun often or at all? I've tried it myself a couple of times but each time its just too weak. In deathmatch, its just plain useless.

I've used it when I got really bored. It's a support weapon for team games rather than a gun to bring around and start killing. One trick to it is using the weapon over longer distances (not mid or close range) and try to stay crouched and play more defensively than offensively.

I stay crouched for a few reasons: Lower self-bink (which means more concentrated fire and easier control) while still being able to react fast enough when I need to move and reducing my hitbox. I never prone with the minigun if I were to be attacking, because you CANNOT get out of a prone whilst firing a minigun by pressing the prone button - you'd have to turn your mouse to face the opposite side before you can get up, but that's a big waste of time and ammo. If I were to just stop firing, I'd have to waste another 50 ticks for the gun to start up.

I'm no expert, but I found this way of using the minigun relatively effective when I'm in a good position. Maybe it'd be good if there were some true minigun experts around here...

Yes, minigun's junk, but it's fun to use and still usable in some simple situations.

Btw, flamer is as useless as a leafblower in soldat. Even in low levels of pings like 10-50.

Really? I've someone telling me that the Flamer actually works under very low ping. I've also witnessed someone who has very low ping himself with a Flamer in a deathmatch killing human players of very low ping, but his Flamer does nothing to me since I had high ping.

[Lumen-Shroom]

Unfortunately, that'd make the XM214 Minigun just like the FN Minimi, except, perhaps, worse. It will never be implemented officially, plus it is changing the minigun to some other weapon, which is against the "No Suggesting" list.

The minigun isn't meant to kill. It's meant to provide major spraying, bink and bullet push to slow down and bring about great inconvenience to enemies. The 1.5 balance would make sure that this would be true and therefore giving the minigun an improvement for its purpose.

If you really want to use a minigun, the key is actually to crouch on the ground and start shooting. You must take your ability to spray over long distances to your advantage and play defensively. Treat the minigun as a stat gun that has sacrificed damage for firing rate and reload/continuous fire for portability.

The only addition use for the minigun is the fact that it helps you stay in mid-air.

Ultra agreed.

Also it's fun to surf into CTF/INF bases and out the other side and watch on the far side of your screen the delayed reaction of 5 m79ers who just realized a bullet banshee just grabbed their flag.

[The Epic Guy]

1. You say the minigun is a support weapon, but it inconveniences your teammates by lagging.
2. Most players aren't interested in being a support, instead taking matters into thier own hands. (Rambo?)
3. In DM, there is no support. Its everyone for themselves.
4. If you try to use the minigun for any practical use, you will probably be kicked.
5. The minigun has no practical uses. Minigun < everything else. Use Minimi or AUG instead.
6. Dont forget bullet reg.
7. Something else I forgot.

[croat1gamer]

also, i was making some modifications to the minigun in realistic, and found a semi great modification for it

[XM214 Minigun]
Damage=53
FireInterval=4
Ammo=20
ReloadTime=179
Speed=300
BulletStyle=1
StartUpTime=15
Bink=-46
MovementAcc=100000
Recoil=2

i found out that it starts lagging with the 20th bullet, and this prevents it from lagging

it is now a semi-support weapon, because it can handle enemies by itself, but the movementacc and bink prevent it from being a rush weapon

so, what do you think?

im using it on my server, so if someone wants to try it online, pm me

[Platehead]

STM, do you use the minigun often or at all? I've tried it myself a couple of times but each time its just too weak. In deathmatch, its just plain useless.

I've used it when I got really bored. It's a support weapon for team games rather than a gun to bring around and start killing. One trick to it is using the weapon over longer distances (not mid or close range) and try to stay crouched and play more defensively than offensively.

I stay crouched for a few reasons: Lower self-bink (which means more concentrated fire and easier control) while still being able to react fast enough when I need to move and reducing my hitbox. I never prone with the minigun if I were to be attacking, because you CANNOT get out of a prone whilst firing a minigun by pressing the prone button - you'd have to turn your mouse to face the opposite side before you can get up, but that's a big waste of time and ammo. If I were to just stop firing, I'd have to waste another 50 ticks for the gun to start up.

I'm no expert, but I found this way of using the minigun relatively effective when I'm in a good position. Maybe it'd be good if there were some true minigun experts around here...

Yes, minigun's junk, but it's fun to use and still usable in some simple situations.

Btw, flamer is as useless as a leafblower in soldat. Even in low levels of pings like 10-50.

Really? I've someone telling me that the Flamer actually works under very low ping. I've also witnessed someone who has very low ping himself with a Flamer in a deathmatch killing human players of very low ping, but his Flamer does nothing to me since I had high ping.

Usually, you don't crouch if you don't want an easy nade in your lower gostek.  So it's true that the minigun is used as a support weapon and so people can't nade if you if they can't see you, so you can crouch and be more accurate and all that.... but.. you also gotta know how to do mini 1v1 situations with it.  In that circumstance it shouldn't be used when crouching or you'll get naded, instead you stay in the air and fire employing some mean minigun tricks to make it kill better... and hopefully your excess of bullets and your self boost will at least throw off the opponent giving you an extra few ticks to finish em off with the biggest gun in soldat.

As for making it like an FN, I don't think so.  It doesn't seem.. right, without the amazing fire rate an inaccuracy it will never achieve the level of spray it's supposed to

 

[STM1993]

It doesn't seem.. right, without the amazing fire rate and inaccuracy it will never achieve the level of spray it's supposed to

What? If the minigun were inaccurate, then it cannot provide CONTROLLED spraying with its 100 ammo. It is only with controlled spray that the minigun (or all autos for the matter) may be used to shoot enemies off-screen (roughly) and hitting them, thereby killing or binking them.

If the minigun is inaccurate, then it would begin to shoot the bullets in an awkward fashion, the bullets beginning to form a " > " shape rather than shoot in a relatively straight line. This cannot be controlled unless you stop firing and startup again, which is a big problem. Sure, you can still spray in such a binked condition, but is it going to be effective? No, and the purpose of the minigun in particular is to provide controlled spray, plus you have a startup time.

If you truly need a wider spray radius, then rather than rely on a small amount of bink to do that, just move your cursor up and down.

[Xxypher]

The minigun is fine as it is.

[demoniac93]

the minigun is good as it is, fact...also, my opinion is that it's PURELY a 4fun weapon, or as mentioned flagger defense\push back weapon, i played it on a pub with GOOD players (5vs5 all had at least 3 years of experience) so while hanging out playing normal inf i took a minigun, and my stats after total round time were 18\13 which, rocked, defeating barrets rugers, steyrs, ak's, m79's AND a couple of other miniguns...it's surfing and defense FTW...

[Platehead]

It doesn't seem.. right, without the amazing fire rate and inaccuracy it will never achieve the level of spray it's supposed to

What? If the minigun were inaccurate, then it cannot provide CONTROLLED spraying with its 100 ammo. It is only with controlled spray that the minigun (or all autos for the matter) may be used to shoot enemies off-screen (roughly) and hitting them, thereby killing or binking them.

If the minigun is inaccurate, then it would begin to shoot the bullets in an awkward fashion, the bullets beginning to form a " > " shape rather than shoot in a relatively straight line. This cannot be controlled unless you stop firing and startup again, which is a big problem. Sure, you can still spray in such a binked condition, but is it going to be effective? No, and the purpose of the minigun in particular is to provide controlled spray, plus you have a startup time.

If you truly need a wider spray radius, then rather than rely on a small amount of bink to do that, just move your cursor up and down.

You flippin genius do you know what you just said
Oh, I don't mean the accuracy is what makes minigun good for what its purpose is, I'm relating to the original post.  That margin of accuracy boost won't make it seem right.  True, the minigun should IMO have an accuracy boost, but not the one described above (making it like the FN).  That would make it behave like a minimi, but the minimi would generally be a better option.

[SOoly]

MINIGUN is GOOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!