Have You Ever Been Caught Masturbating?

[jrgp]

And Escalona, I think your idea of sex is just a little off.  As a Christian, I'm sure you believe that we're created physically exactly as God intended.  Any part of us that responds to stimulation is for US.  Masturbation or oral sex or any of the "non-baby-making" stuff isn't sinful! Yes, masturbation is focusing on the self, to some degree, but no more than exercising or eating good food, or even taking medicine when you're sick.  It's natural, and it's acceptable.  Like I said, you're designed to like sexual stimulation.  It's not chance that it happened, and it's not some "forbidden" thing.  It's not a sin to make yourself feel good!

If masturbation CAUSES you to sin, then yeah, definitely drop it.  Drop anything that causes you to sin, even if that thing isn't sinful by itself.  But ultimately it's your body, and it's up to you to decide what to do with it.

^ One could not have said it better.

[GSx_Major]

I got pwnt I've become sloppy

Anyway, wheter they became aware, recognized, percieved or learned, it all means they didn't know (or see), and then they did. Whatever it may have implied regarding it, it definitely settles the matter at 3:7 - 11.

EDIT: Just thought of something else.  If it's a sin to ejaculate without the intention of conception, why isn't it a sin for a girl to have her period? That's a perfectly good egg going to waste, isn't it? Wasn't that egg designed solely for the purpose of producing a baby?

The fun starts a bit down, at 19.

[N. Escalona]

Knowing is much different than becoming aware.

In fact, perceiving is more akin to awareness than knowledge.

Anyway, wheter they became aware, recognized, percieved or learned, it all means they didn't know (or see), and then they did. Whatever it may have implied regarding it, it definitely settles the matter at 3:7 - 11.

Okay. Perhaps literally you're right. But does that really make sense, in the context of e.g. that other verse 2:25 that I posted? How could Adam and Eve be able to see each other and not know that they were naked? If they couldn't procreate before the Fall, then why would Adam say, in 2:24, "Wherefore a man shall leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they shall be two in one flesh." If you were to read this word-for-word literally, then you would also have to conclude they were blind before they ate the fruit.

But ultimately it's your body, and it's up to you to decide what to do with it.

I disagree. You do not own your body. For example, it's a sin to indulge excessively in alcohol or tobacco, because these harm your body. It is a sin to commit suicide. It is a sin to mutilate yourself. We don't have to right to do whatever we want with our bodies. Even the 70-some years we are allotted are not ours, but rather borrowed from God. Not even our personal talents are ours.

EDIT: Just thought of something else.  If it's a sin to ejaculate without the intention of conception, why isn't it a sin for a girl to have her period? That's a perfectly good egg going to waste, isn't it? Wasn't that egg designed solely for the purpose of producing a baby?

Well, spermatozoa were designed solely for the purpose of producing a baby. And yet millions die with every ejaculation, all to produce one life (or more, sometimes). It's the same idea with menstruation. It is a necessary part of the way our reproductive system works. Hell, our bodies are sacred, and supposed to be temples of God. Yet how many of our cells do we kill by, I don't know, picking at a scab? It's hardly a sin. It's not about just wasting or killing the cells, it's about perverting a sexual activity.

I got pwnt I've become sloppy

Anyway, wheter they became aware, recognized, percieved or learned, it all means they didn't know (or see), and then they did. Whatever it may have implied regarding it, it definitely settles the matter at 3:7 - 11.

The fun starts a bit down, at 19.

This is an example of Old Testament regulations that are no longer necessary. Perhaps these were instituted to protect the peoples of the time from disease, I do not know.

[The Geologist]

Contradiction and assumption run rampant in a topic that has progressed from a simple poll, to a debate on morality and ethics, to (once again) religious controversy and interpretation of text.

[N. Escalona]

to a debate on morality and ethics, to (once again) religious controversy and interpretation of text.

There's not much difference when some Christians are primary participants.

[iDante]

Contradiction and assumption run rampant in a topic that has progressed from a simple poll, to a debate on morality and ethics, to (once again) religious controversy and interpretation of text.

In this case it's gone from a pretty stupid topic to something that is almost worth reading.

[pavliko]

this topic turned into nonsense. or is it N. Escalona that just rising his posts count.
and get real with the religion stuff its an illusion that takes you away from the truth.


edited:oh i forgot this doesn't increace the post count xD .. but still you got the idea

[Hair|Trigger]

Because posting in the lounge rises your post count, good idea

[GSx_Major]

But does that really make sense, in the context of e.g. that other verse 2:25 that I posted? How could Adam and Eve be able to see each other and not know that they were naked? If they couldn't procreate before the Fall, then why would Adam say, in 2:24, "Wherefore a man shall leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they shall be two in one flesh."

If one is true, then the other is false. Any literal interpretation of Genesis is unreasonable, not to mention impossible to adapt to reality. There are basic flaws in every single key event. And metaphoricly, it works about as well as reading The Art of War stoned.

I disagree. You do not own your body. For example, it's a sin to indulge excessively in alcohol or tobacco, because these harm your body. It is a sin to commit suicide. It is a sin to mutilate yourself. We don't have to right to do whatever we want with our bodies. Even the 70-some years we are allotted are not ours, but rather borrowed from God. Not even our personal talents are ours.

Disturbing fundamentalism.

Well, spermatozoa were designed solely for the purpose of producing a baby. And yet millions die with every ejaculation, all to produce one life (or more, sometimes). It's the same idea with menstruation. It is a necessary part of the way our reproductive system works. Hell, our bodies are sacred, and supposed to be temples of God. Yet how many of our cells do we kill by, I don't know, picking at a scab? It's hardly a sin. It's not about just wasting or killing the cells, it's about perverting a sexual activity.

So messing with other sacred things is ok as long as you play by the rules with your wife?



As for OT, history is never irrelevant.

[jrgp]

Because posting in the lounge rises your post count, good idea

Well, if you look at his "stats" page it shows his lounge post count... now it's 426.

[The Geologist]

There's not much difference when some Christians are primary participants.

That's a shame. 

I disagree. You do not own your body. For example, it's a sin to indulge excessively in alcohol or tobacco, because these harm your body. It is a sin to commit suicide. It is a sin to mutilate yourself. We don't have to right to do whatever we want with our bodies. Even the 70-some years we are allotted are not ours, but rather borrowed from God. Not even our personal talents are ours.

If masturbation harmed the body, I might be inclined to agree with you.  Yet it doesn't.  But we're reaching a stumbling block here in yet another ridiculous religious debate.  Personally, I don't think God had anything to do with my being born - it's just about my parents getting it on.  Like numerous other species on the planet, every day, for many, many years.  So I'll do the best with the time I have, and that includes masturbating often.

Well, spermatozoa were designed solely for the purpose of producing a baby. And yet millions die with every ejaculation, all to produce one life (or more, sometimes). It's the same idea with menstruation. It is a necessary part of the way our reproductive system works. Hell, our bodies are sacred, and supposed to be temples of God. Yet how many of our cells do we kill by, I don't know, picking at a scab? It's hardly a sin. It's not about just wasting or killing the cells, it's about perverting a sexual activity.

Definitely not the same case with menstruation.  Unfortunately, only the males are the ones burning tons of unknown soldiers when they rub one out. 

So, from what I've gathered from your arguments, everything sexual should be culminated between a man and a women with the man ultimately finishing within the woman.  The ultimate goal of this is creating yet another kid or two, or more. 

Anything in that book about finding alternatives to releasing those desires between husband and wife when there are too many people too sustain?  And what's more, what's wrong with a husband and wife lusting after each another?    If they can't do that, you've got a useless attempt at procreation.  Seriously, how many people sit down and say "Honey, let's make a baby" just because they love each other that much.  If there wasn't an element of lust and attraction involved, there would be no procreation in the first place. 

In short, you can't boil things down to two options as you have in a previous post.  It's vain, inept, and just foolish.  I suppose married couples that have sex with a condom or other devices are sinning?  The end goal certainly isn't conceiving.  Just to get off and enjoy the person they chose to spend their lives with.

Also, you completely ignored that having sex with your marriage partner doesn't ensure a damn thing about "the focus being on the other person". 

[jrgp]

There's not much difference when some Christians are primary participants.

That's a shame. 

I disagree. You do not own your body. For example, it's a sin to indulge excessively in alcohol or tobacco, because these harm your body. It is a sin to commit suicide. It is a sin to mutilate yourself. We don't have to right to do whatever we want with our bodies. Even the 70-some years we are allotted are not ours, but rather borrowed from God. Not even our personal talents are ours.

If masturbation harmed the body, I might be inclined to agree with you.  Yet it doesn't.  But we're reaching a stumbling block here in yet another ridiculous religious debate.  Personally, I don't think God had anything to do with my being born - it's just about my parents getting it on.  Like numerous other species on the planet, every day, for many, many years.  So I'll do the best with the time I have, and that includes masturbating often.

Well, spermatozoa were designed solely for the purpose of producing a baby. And yet millions die with every ejaculation, all to produce one life (or more, sometimes). It's the same idea with menstruation. It is a necessary part of the way our reproductive system works. Hell, our bodies are sacred, and supposed to be temples of God. Yet how many of our cells do we kill by, I don't know, picking at a scab? It's hardly a sin. It's not about just wasting or killing the cells, it's about perverting a sexual activity.

Definitely not the same case with menstruation.  Unfortunately, only the males are the ones burning tons of unknown soldiers when they rub one out. 

So, from what I've gathered from your arguments, everything sexual should be culminated between a man and a women with the man ultimately finishing within the woman.  The ultimate goal of this is creating yet another kid or two, or more. 

Anything in that book about finding alternatives to releasing those desires between husband and wife when there are too many people too sustain?  And what's more, what's wrong with a husband and wife lusting after each another?    If they can't do that, you've got a useless attempt at procreation.  Seriously, how many people sit down and say "Honey, let's make a baby" just because they love each other that much.  If there wasn't an element of lust and attraction involved, there would be no procreation in the first place. 

In short, you can't boil things down to two options as you have in a previous post.  It's vain, inept, and just foolish.  I suppose married couples that have sex with a condom or other devices are sinning?  The end goal certainly isn't conceiving.  Just to get off and enjoy the person they chose to spend their lives with.

Also, you completely ignored that having sex with your marriage partner doesn't ensure a damn thing about "the focus being on the other person". 

Thank you. I'm glad to see someone's successfully combating his depressing, dark, and grim beliefs.

[croat1gamer]

well, to add something to the religious part
the bible isnt meant to be literary, but that individuals interpret it like they understand it, so it variates from person to person

I hump a pillow.

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dam, i got breathing problems from laughing on this one
srsly

[Smegma]

Knowing and perceiving are still quite different. I would argue the first point, that eating the able made them aware of the idea that nudity is not acceptable in public.

[B*tchmaster3000]

hahahahaha

two times by my best friend xD
fuck yeah this topic rules

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

And what's more, what's wrong with a husband and wife lusting after each another?

Absolutely nothing at all.  In fact, I don't even think you can call it lust, because "lust" to me implies that the desire is misplaced.  In that situation, it wouldn't be.

[GSx_Major]

Being a deadly sin and all kinda roughed up its reputation, but it doesn't have anything to do with excess (unless you're christian, in which case normal is excessive).

[jrgp]

N Escala, you might just have changed me. Now it seems I spend the hours between 1AM and 2AM playing Soldat instead of jacking off. I guess I'm not going to hell then, right?

Oh, and what do you think about dolphins. They, just like us, like to fuck for pleasure and not always for kids.

[Lord Frunkamunch]

Dolphins have reserved seats in hell.

[Luke Strife]

I just love how this topic completely and utterly derailed from the original theme.

But anyway. I've never been caught masturbating. I have come close to being discovered a couple of times, such as my mum coming home from work earlier than she said she would, but I've still always managed to cover my tracks.

Sidenote: Isn't it just amusing that after being registered to these forums for a couple of days, that this is the first topic I've felt compelled to post in?