Author Topic: Do you feel guilty? (Read 5846 times)

~Niko~ · « **on:** March 02, 2009, 06:03:49 pm »

Self-explanatory. Do you feel guilty about anything you did, didn't, felt or thought?

I do not feel guilty about anything right now.... only a bit because I'm a lazy ass.

excruciator · « **Reply #1 on:** March 02, 2009, 06:56:53 pm »

I haven't done anything bad, so I don't feel guilty.

Smegma · « **Reply #2 on:** March 02, 2009, 07:15:35 pm »

You don't think you've done anything bad.

GSx_Major · « **Reply #3 on:** March 02, 2009, 09:02:00 pm »

Yes, and it's a key feature in the psychology behind my behavior and actions.

jettlarue · « **Reply #4 on:** March 02, 2009, 09:56:59 pm »

Ahh guilt is a learnt form of fear. And no, I am not afraid of the idea of wrong I have done. In fact the idea of "wrong" is so obscure I can't grasp it's idealistic usage besides to provoke fear into myself. And I am quite satisfied with not being afraid.

The Geologist · « **Reply #5 on:** March 02, 2009, 10:22:42 pm »

It's got nothing to do with fear. Although your rampant protest of not being afraid makes me wonder.

I don't feel guilty now, but I have in the past. Don't feel so now because I did my best to make amends for any wrong doings. Helped out both parties in the end.

jettlarue · « **Reply #6 on:** March 02, 2009, 10:31:16 pm »

Ahh might be. Can't say my head is in the right place, been sick for the last few days. And upon reading what I posted- I sound a bit nuts haha. I'll edit above when I find some better words.

The Geologist · « **Reply #7 on:** March 02, 2009, 10:50:28 pm »

Meh, no worries. Get better soon, 'eh?

Mangled* · « **Reply #8 on:** March 02, 2009, 11:55:34 pm »

In short, no.

n00bface · « **Reply #9 on:** March 03, 2009, 12:33:09 am »

wtf athiests dont feel guilty? lol and we trust these people with are politics?? how do you have moral if you dont evev have any guilt? hope you are never put on my jury for wheneer i go on trial

i feel guilty abt a lot of stuff mainly personal & with other people

echo_trail · « **Reply #10 on:** March 03, 2009, 02:45:12 am »

I used to feel guilty about everything when I was younger. I would always try to carry the world on my shoulders. These days I have a different approach. a sort of filter of priority. I only care about the things that concern me or my emmidiate surroundings the most.

Hair|Trigger · « **Reply #11 on:** March 03, 2009, 03:25:24 am »

I feel guilty about spending so much time with a particular person (years) and now I cant stand them, but I am forced to endure it -__- I'm slowly resorting to another of my social groups because of it :S

Boots · « **Reply #12 on:** March 03, 2009, 04:17:06 am »

why..? D:

PANZERCATWAGON · « **Reply #13 on:** March 03, 2009, 05:29:02 am »

i tend to feel guilty when people dont deserve it

but people often deserve it

STM1993 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 03, 2009, 05:31:42 am »

Sometimes I feel guilty, sometimes not, though I'm more often not feeling guilty, and I'm probably more depressed than guilty.

Dascoo · « **Reply #15 on:** March 03, 2009, 07:10:12 am »

All the time about little things.

excruciator · « **Reply #16 on:** March 03, 2009, 08:31:45 am »

Quote from: Smegma on March 02, 2009, 07:15:35 pm

You don't think you've done anything bad.

I haven't done anything. Let alone being bad.

Vilho · « **Reply #17 on:** March 03, 2009, 08:42:31 am »

I tend not to regret anything I do or don't do, so pretty much I have nothing to feel guilty about.

Smegma · « **Reply #18 on:** March 03, 2009, 10:51:04 am »

Quote from: excruciator on March 03, 2009, 08:31:45 am

Quote from: Smegma on March 02, 2009, 07:15:35 pm
You don't think you've done anything bad.

I haven't done anything. Let alone being bad.

You don't think you've dont anything.

Mangled* · « **Reply #19 on:** March 03, 2009, 03:13:03 pm »

Quote from: n00bface on March 03, 2009, 12:33:09 am

wtf athiests dont feel guilty? lol and we trust these people with are politics?? how do you have moral if you dont evev have any guilt? hope you are never put on my jury for wheneer i go on trial

i feel guilty abt a lot of stuff mainly personal & with other people

Hi Mr. Extrapolation-pants.

I don't feel guilty because I have done nothing to be guilty for. I did not say I was incapable of feeling guilt. I have felt guilty before, but I don't feel automated guilt like most Christians, afterall Jesus died for their sins and so they should feel guilty about that!

TBDM · « **Reply #20 on:** March 03, 2009, 03:52:31 pm »

i feel guilty that i didn't do her when i could.
dammmnn

Hundkeex · « **Reply #21 on:** March 03, 2009, 03:56:19 pm »

Hurray for another pointless topic.

NO I DONT FEEL GUILTY , WHY WOULD I?

~Niko~ · « **Reply #22 on:** March 03, 2009, 04:44:05 pm »

Quote from: Hundkeex on March 03, 2009, 03:56:19 pm

NO I DONT FEEL GUILTY , WHY WOULD I?

if you did something that was wrong, and want to share it here and try looking for advice, mainly.

MyiEye · « **Reply #23 on:** March 03, 2009, 05:57:53 pm »

Quote from: Mangled* on March 03, 2009, 03:13:03 pm

Hi Mr. Extrapolation-pants.

I don't feel guilty because I have done nothing to be guilty for. I did not say I was incapable of feeling guilt. I have felt guilty before, but I don't feel automated guilt like most Christians, afterall Jesus died for their sins and so they should feel guilty about that!

Well, it's not really about guilt for us Christians it's more about gratitude, we know we screw up, but we also know we're forgiven. I'm not saying we don't feel guilt cause that'd be bull, I'm just saying it's not really automated like you've described it to be, we aren't controlled or overwhelmed by it. As for me I do feel guilt for wrong things that I do, however, I believe this is a good thing not because of how we obtain it, but because in a way it's the opposite of ignorance and I believe it's the Holy Spirit's way of keeping us aware of how we act as well as how we think.

Mangled* · « **Reply #24 on:** March 03, 2009, 07:48:08 pm »

Quote from: MyiEye on March 03, 2009, 05:57:53 pm

Well, it's not really about guilt for us Christians it's more about gratitude, we know we screw up, but we also know we're forgiven. I'm not saying we don't feel guilt cause that'd be bull, I'm just saying it's not really automated like you've described it to be, we aren't controlled or overwhelmed by it. As for me I do feel guilt for wrong things that I do, however, I believe this is a good thing not because of how we obtain it, but because in a way it's the opposite of ignorance and I believe it's the Holy Spirit's way of keeping us aware of how we act as well as how we think.

Seems a little unfair how you are born in debt of Jesus's sacrifice though.

Seems a little petty of God to me.

Guilt is part of social intelligence and is not necessarily exclusive to humans. Whilst most animals would not be able to comprehend this as their perception is limited and mainly instinctive I think it's possible that many intelligent species are capable of perceiving guilt because it gives a beneficial social advantage of being aware of mistakes. Since apes and chimps are capable of tricking other members of their social group into grooming them by putting insects in their fur, so I don't see why not.

N. Escalona · « **Reply #25 on:** March 03, 2009, 08:03:37 pm »

Quote from: Mangled* on March 03, 2009, 07:48:08 pm

Seems a little unfair how you are born in debt of Jesus's sacrifice though. Seems a little petty of God to me.

It's the ancient question of why original sin injured all of the human race and not just Adam; why is this not unjust. That this did happen is well established in the Bible, but the reason why is pretty simple: God said so. It's selfish to think of this as God being unjust, because that implies he owes us something. But in fact God owes us nothing, and can take as he chooses because God created all and we have only what was given to us.

Be careful criticizing God for lack of justice, you might get what you wish for.

Just as explanation of what I think most Christians, including me, believe.

Smegma · « **Reply #26 on:** March 03, 2009, 08:06:54 pm »

What if we want nothing? God better fill my order up.

N. Escalona · « **Reply #27 on:** March 03, 2009, 08:11:11 pm »

Quote from: Smegma on March 03, 2009, 08:06:54 pm

What if we want nothing? God better fill my order up.

They call it hell.

Smegma · « **Reply #28 on:** March 03, 2009, 08:30:32 pm »

Hell seems like a nice place then.

UnknownSniper · « **Reply #29 on:** March 03, 2009, 11:12:55 pm »

I feel guilty, that thousands of men/women gave their lives for freedom, only to have it thrown in the toilet over the span of the last hundred or so years. And that the youth of the USA are becoming more and more disrespectful(to everthing, yet still dependent on foreign electronics/video games to fill the void in their sad lives, all between making complete dicks of themselves trying to show off their e-balls to random people on the Internet.

MyiEye · « **Reply #30 on:** March 03, 2009, 11:33:57 pm »

Quote from: Smegma on March 03, 2009, 08:06:54 pm

What if we want nothing? God better fill my order up.

This'll sound rather blunt, but uf you are offered a chance to live in HEAVEN aka. Paradise, then to not want it or anything at all you're a fool (and yes all humans are foolish little things) and God being our all powerful God has the right, well sort of the obligation to do with you what he will in this case we're told hell is the destination, but it doesn't have to be like that because God wants you to want stuff, blessings for example and I think it makes sense to serve He who controls all

Quote from: Mangled* on March 03, 2009, 07:48:08 pm

Quote from: MyiEye on March 03, 2009, 05:57:53 pm
Well, it's not really about guilt for us Christians it's more about gratitude, we know we screw up, but we also know we're forgiven. I'm not saying we don't feel guilt cause that'd be bull, I'm just saying it's not really automated like you've described it to be, we aren't controlled or overwhelmed by it. As for me I do feel guilt for wrong things that I do, however, I believe this is a good thing not because of how we obtain it, but because in a way it's the opposite of ignorance and I believe it's the Holy Spirit's way of keeping us aware of how we act as well as how we think.

Seems a little unfair how you are born in debt of Jesus's sacrifice though. Seems a little petty of God to me.

Guilt is part of social intelligence and is not necessarily exclusive to humans. Whilst most animals would not be able to comprehend this as their perception is limited and mainly instinctive I think it's possible that many intelligent species are capable of perceiving guilt because it gives a beneficial social advantage of being aware of mistakes. Since apes and chimps are capable of tricking other members of their social group into grooming them by putting insects in their fur, so I don't see why not.

Well he is God...it's God were talking about here, doesn't it make sense that God deserves anything and everything from us. How can we possibly think that God is unfair by requiring somthing from us. Just think about it, it's GOD for goodness sake, using the petty worldy attempts at defining God isn't it fairly obvious that we deserve nothing from Him yet He deserves anything from us.

N. Escalona · « **Reply #31 on:** March 03, 2009, 11:42:10 pm »

Quote from: Smegma on March 03, 2009, 08:30:32 pm

Hell seems like a nice place then.

You don't have the necessary information to make that judgment, considering that up to this point in your life, God has been constantly sustaining you. Without the "continuous" and "constant" action of God, all creation would never exist. You're a fish hypothesizing what living on the land would be like.

MyiEye · « **Reply #32 on:** March 04, 2009, 12:09:58 am »

Quote from: N. Escalona on March 03, 2009, 11:42:10 pm

Quote from: Smegma on March 03, 2009, 08:30:32 pm
Hell seems like a nice place then.
You don't have the necessary information to make that judgment, considering that up to this point in your life, God has been constantly sustaining you. Without the "continuous" and "constant" action of God, all creation would never exist. You're a fish hypothesizing what living on the land would be like.

So...no offence, but you're trying to make him believe that hell is bad, why? Hell is bad, that's why it's hell. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's the king of skepticism we're talking to here, he just likes to create skeptical topics out of unskeptical topics.

GSx_Major · « **Reply #33 on:** March 04, 2009, 12:14:48 am »

Please define the "continuous" and "constant" actions of God that sustains us all.

MyiEye · « **Reply #34 on:** March 04, 2009, 12:17:41 am »

Quote from: GSx_Major on March 04, 2009, 12:14:48 am

Please define the "continuous" and "constant" actions of God that sustains us all.

I'm also kinda skeptical about this, because I believe that God has placed us in a fairly self sustaining world, but it's not really a big deal or something to get worked up about over.

Splinter-Snake · « **Reply #35 on:** March 04, 2009, 12:26:37 am »

In fact, if there even is a "God," I don't understand how he's still necessary. He could die tomorrow and life wouldn't be any different tomorrow than it is today. It's like if I make a painting and die. The painting isn't going to suddenly experience any negative effects just because its creator died.

tehsnipah · « **Reply #36 on:** March 04, 2009, 12:49:40 am »

I feel guilty right now because I just sneaked up on computer during night/right now and about to play CS:S.

MyiEye · « **Reply #37 on:** March 04, 2009, 01:23:05 am »

Quote from: Splinter-Snake on March 04, 2009, 12:26:37 am

In fact, if there even is a "God," I don't understand how he's still necessary. He could die tomorrow and life wouldn't be any different tomorrow than it is today. It's like if I make a painting and die. The painting isn't going to suddenly experience any negative effects just because its creator died.

In a way you're right, but I've still got to disagree, because God may not still have to constantly intervene to keep his creation alive, but He intervenes and changes lives still today, mine for example, and for this reason His death (were this possible) would in fact change as well as condem the lives of everyone. Of course I'm talking hypothetically here because God can't just die and I don't believe it's possible to understand a world without God.

PS does not believing in God or hope for a better life after this one not worry you?

N. Escalona · « **Reply #38 on:** March 04, 2009, 01:43:25 am »

Quote from: GSx_Major on March 04, 2009, 12:14:48 am

Please define the "continuous" and "constant" actions of God that sustains us all.

Quote from: Splinter-Snake on March 04, 2009, 12:26:37 am

In fact, if there even is a "God," I don't understand how he's still necessary. He could die tomorrow and life wouldn't be any different tomorrow than it is today. It's like if I make a painting and die. The painting isn't going to suddenly experience any negative effects just because its creator died.

This may be a confusing concept, but I'll give explaining it a shot. Time is part of creation; God created time in order for us to have free will. Because this creation occurred beyond time, in the "eternal now", creation is something that is "continually" occurring.

It may not even be correct to speak of God creating time, because time may be best understood as an illusion. Better to think of God creating us as 4-dimensional beings that terminate in conception and death. Thought of in this way, as if all creation were a static picture framed on God's wall (though this metaphor has its limitations), it is easier to see how creation is a "continuous" event. It is also easier to see how God is omniscient. The point of all this? God has only to "stop" creating you (i.e., not create you) and you do not exist.

If God were to disappear somehow (which is meaningless since a disappearance requires a time before and a time after), creation would not exist.

Hell is usually considered as both a state and a location of utter separation from God. This is a mystery: how He can create us while we are utterly separated from Him. I don't understand it, but I don't think I'm supposed to.

GSx_Major · « **Reply #39 on:** March 04, 2009, 02:07:37 am »

Psychotic is the word. Why do you bother trying to explain something you know can't be explained?

Edit: To yourself, not here.

Quote from: MyiEye on March 04, 2009, 01:23:05 am

PS does not believing in God or hope for a better life after this one not worry you?

Means you should do your best and make the most out of this life.

N. Escalona · « **Reply #40 on:** March 04, 2009, 02:24:25 am »

I explained things to the extent that I thought I understood them.

Besides, we're supposed to try to understand God and contemplate Him; though we know we can only succeed to an extremely limited extent, and even then only through His grace.

STM1993 · « **Reply #41 on:** March 04, 2009, 02:39:17 am »

Quote from: N. Escalona on March 04, 2009, 01:43:25 am

Hell is usually considered as both a state and a location of utter separation from God. This is a mystery: how He can create us while we are utterly separated from Him. I don't understand it, but I don't think I'm supposed to.

The only thing I understand about Hell is that, according to VenomFangX of youtube, it is like a prison.

Now, those who say "Why would a loving God throw us (sinners) into Hell?", think: would a loving judge not throw a criminal into prison for his crimes? This goes the same way when it comes to God, though with the extra bit that if the criminal were to repent, then he'd be spared.

I wouldn't believe that its an utter separation from God, but more of a separation between good and evil, just as you separate criminals from ex-criminals/law-abiding citizens in the society. God will still be watching those in Hell, but He wouldn't show mercy and has to keep his word about punishing those who do not repent.

The only thing I don't understand is, why did he put us in a prison rather than completely wipe us out from existence?

That's as far as I can understand of the limited extent we can understand about God.

GSx_Major · « **Reply #42 on:** March 04, 2009, 03:21:37 am »

Terribly sorry for continuting to hijack this thread (call it a subplot

) but, eh... Yeah, just sorry about it. (Hey, thats kinda on topic after all)

You say God created time, but then you say time doesn't exist. The world is a series of nows, created one after another, like film, one frame after another so quickly we don't see it as a series of stills. At what, 30 fps? Oh, infinite frames per eternity, thats clever. And doesn't make any sense. It also means that if God stops creating, the world stops - but continues to exist in the eternal now. So without Gods continuous and constant F5'ing, I'd exist but time would stand still.

I'm gonna keep in mind that God creates everything all the time too, since it means God does everything. If I move my hand, I'm not moving it. I'm letting God know I want to move it, so he can adjust it to the right position in the next creation. At the gym, feel the burn? That's communication with God! Bit silly, but it's what you're saying since each creation is independent of previous creations.

God disappearing does, as you say, require a time before and a time after. So does any non static thing, like an action. As you say it, God can't do anything. Well, he can do something - but it can't be done. Which is quite a paradox. He can create, but he can't have created.

I forgot, "God" is the answer.

God is a paradox? Well, obviously he's God and hence he can overcome him being a paradox.

N. Escalona · « **Reply #43 on:** March 04, 2009, 03:28:36 am »

I still hold that hell is separation from God: God is love, and hell must be devoid of joy. If God were to in some sense watch over hell, then they would not truly have lost God. Hell would be no longer hell if there was some union with God, and would instead be some kind of purgatory. Separation from God is just recompense for mortal sin.

God is not only infinitely good, He is infinitely wise, just, and holy.
No one is cast into hell unless he has fully and entirely deserved it.

If there were no retribution beyond that which takes place before our eyes here on earth, we should have to consider God extremely indifferent to good and evil. This would violate the first point above.

As for the last bit about hell versus annihilation, recall that it were better for the damned if they had not been born (Matthew 26:24). Death could not be the end of their existence, because positive punishment (i.e. active, contrast passive) is the natural recompense of evil. God must avenge the violation of the moral order, maintaining at least some some proportion between the gravity of sin and the severity of punishment. If all men were fully convinced that the sinner need fear mere annihilation at the moment of death, they would not be deterred from sin and the moral and social order would be seriously menaced.

Quote from: GSx_Major on March 04, 2009, 03:21:37 am

You say God created time, but then you say time doesn't exist. The world is a series of nows, created one after another, like film, one frame after another so quickly we don't see it as a series of stills. At what, 30 fps? Oh, infinite frames per eternity, thats clever. And doesn't make any sense. It also means that if God stops creating, the world stops - but continues to exist in the eternal now. So without Gods continuous and constant F5'ing, I'd exist but time would stand still.

Argh! Sorry for being unclear. Saying time doesn't exist was only a device to help understand. I was pretending time was a spatial dimension to aid understanding. I probably shouldn't have done that. If God doesn't create, then the world doesn't exist, in the eternal now.

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I'm gonna keep in mind that God creates everything all the time too, since it means God does everything. If I move my hand, I'm not moving it. I'm letting God know I want to move it, so he can adjust it to the right position in the next creation. At the gym, feel the burn? That's communication with God! Bit silly, but it's what you're saying since each creation is independent of previous creations.

This I think is a misunderstanding based on my misrepresentation of time. If you move your hand, you are indeed moving it, though of course if God wanted to, he could stop you. He creates the world and our souls, but our souls also give us free will.

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God disappearing does, as you say, require a time before and a time after. So does any non static thing, like an action. As you say it, God can't do anything. Well, he can do something - but it can't be done. Which is quite a paradox. He can create, but he can't have created.

Creation is indeed a mystery. I know there is an explanation, but I don't know what it is.

Considering God as a paradox is really just a reflection of our own limited understanding. Paradoxes defy logic, and God is in some sense logical. God could not be contradictory.

~Niko~ · « **Reply #44 on:** March 04, 2009, 07:30:25 am »

Does this thread belong to god? why are you all talking about it. if you want to talk about him make another pointless religious thread, don't continue your crap on mine. this topic wasn't meant to be about god, but for the problems of the forum members, you dumbasses.

Twistkill · « **Reply #45 on:** March 04, 2009, 07:52:59 am »

Personally, I'm accepting of any changes in topic, as drastic or random as they may be, as long as the consequent conversation is worthwhile and wholesome. However, the PM system could use some lovin every once in a while.

GSx_Major · « **Reply #46 on:** March 04, 2009, 04:43:41 pm »

Quote from: GSx_Major on March 04, 2009, 03:21:37 am

Terribly sorry for continuting to hijack this thread (call it a subplot ) but, eh... Yeah, just sorry about it. (Hey, thats kinda on topic after all)

Quote from: N. Escalona on March 04, 2009, 03:28:36 am

Argh! Sorry for being unclear. Saying time doesn't exist was only a device to help understand. I was pretending time was a spatial dimension to aid understanding. I probably shouldn't have done that. If God doesn't create, then the world doesn't exist, in the eternal now.

Right, because he hasn't created it since there is no past. Theres time de facto (as it would otherwise be static), but it's an infinite amount of time in an eternity within now, with no before and no after this continuos now. Right. Also, if you try to aid understanding by saying something wrong, maybe you got this whole explaining thing a bit confused. And it's still, in my limited and puny ability to comprehend, a paradox. And quit with the Allahu Akbar!!, it's not an answer.

Quote from: N. Escalona on March 04, 2009, 03:28:36 am

If all men were fully convinced that the sinner need fear mere annihilation at the moment of death, they would not be deterred from sin and the moral and social order would be seriously menaced.

As societies with large agnostic and atheistic population show, this is in fact a lie. Your moral, however... And why do christians think the bible is the only thing that stops people from killing, stealing and raping? I guess it reflects your ability to distort the world to fit into your belief system. Or maybe it means you'd all be savages without the bible, in which case I guess it's a necessary evil.

~Niko~ · « **Reply #47 on:** March 04, 2009, 05:05:48 pm »

This thread wasn't made to talk about religion. Please stop talking about it, focus on the main point of the thread, or I'll request a moderator to close this.

Splinter-Snake · « **Reply #48 on:** March 04, 2009, 05:10:17 pm »

Quote from: MyiEye on March 04, 2009, 01:23:05 am

PS does not believing in God or hope for a better life after this one not worry you?

When you're asleep does being awake worry you?

Also, no, I don't feel guilty that this topic is going off-topic.

~Niko~ · « **Reply #49 on:** March 04, 2009, 05:32:26 pm »

As an atheist, making a thread to talk about something and end up with endless god related discussions dislikes me even more. One more post about religion and ill request someone to lock this.

LtKillroy · « **Reply #50 on:** March 04, 2009, 06:18:49 pm »

I feel guilty all the time. Which is why I try not to do stuff I feel guilty about.

MyiEye · « **Reply #51 on:** March 04, 2009, 06:41:05 pm »

Quote from: ~Niko~ on March 04, 2009, 05:32:26 pm

As an atheist, making a thread to talk about something and end up with endless god related discussions dislikes me even more. One more post about religion and ill request someone to lock this.

Locking it's not gonna help anyone man, cummon I know we've done this all before, but please let some people just have they're say. And I'm sorry, cause I''m probably the one to blame, but this thread isn't hurting anyone, you included.

Quote from: GSx_Major on March 04, 2009, 04:43:41 pm

Quote from: GSx_Major on March 04, 2009, 03:21:37 am
Terribly sorry for continuting to hijack this thread (call it a subplot ) but, eh... Yeah, just sorry about it. (Hey, thats kinda on topic after all)

Quote from: N. Escalona on March 04, 2009, 03:28:36 am
Argh! Sorry for being unclear. Saying time doesn't exist was only a device to help understand. I was pretending time was a spatial dimension to aid understanding. I probably shouldn't have done that. If God doesn't create, then the world doesn't exist, in the eternal now.
Right, because he hasn't created it since there is no past. Theres time de facto (as it would otherwise be static), but it's an infinite amount of time in an eternity within now, with no before and no after this continuos now. Right. Also, if you try to aid understanding by saying something wrong, maybe you got this whole explaining thing a bit confused. And it's still, in my limited and puny ability to comprehend, a paradox. And quit with the Allahu Akbar!!, it's not an answer.

Quote from: N. Escalona on March 04, 2009, 03:28:36 am
If all men were fully convinced that the sinner need fear mere annihilation at the moment of death, they would not be deterred from sin and the moral and social order would be seriously menaced.
As societies with large agnostic and atheistic population show, this is in fact a lie. Your moral, however... And why do christians think the bible is the only thing that stops people from killing, stealing and raping? I guess it reflects your ability to distort the world to fit into your belief system. Or maybe it means you'd all be savages without the bible, in which case I guess it's a necessary evil.

So when did we suddenly decide that God has created, but couldn't have created? And please don't be so general, I don't believe that the Bible is what stops us from killing, I believe it's our concsience ie. The Holy Spirit aka. God. If you made something that you loved would you want to make everyone kill each other? Of course not, it's logic, God made us for a purpose and this purpose was not to kill and love to do so. The bible is important, but never believe it plays a smaller role than God.

Quote from: Splinter-Snake on March 04, 2009, 05:10:17 pm

Quote from: MyiEye on March 04, 2009, 01:23:05 am
PS does not believing in God or hope for a better life after this one not worry you?

When you're asleep does being awake worry you?

Also, no, I don't feel guilty that this topic is going off-topic.

We're not talking about waking up, we're talking about the realisation of future and eternal agony, it's not somthing that God intended us to just 'brush off'. It's not a 'I'm gonna live new life' sorta thing, it's a 'God cared enough for me/you to suffer and die so that we could better understand Him and spiritual things in general, in a hope that His love for us would become real enough for us to choose His holiness/love/compassion over...the horrible alternative' sort of thing. Please unserstand that despie basing my beliefs in Biblicly taught messages I'm also just trying to sound realistic here, because despite God's incredibly baffling existance there is much about Him that if based on His loving, just and infinitely merciful characteristics, just make sense.

The Geologist · « **Reply #52 on:** March 04, 2009, 06:45:33 pm »

Locked, due to the creator of the topic asking multiple times for you guys to stop dragging this into a religious debate and focus on the original question. Also, warnings handed out for those of you who were brash enough to ignore that to the point of commenting on it.

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