Official Religious Debate Thread

[Farah]

This topic is rapidly becoming Descartes' bloated colon.

i am the voice of democritus

[Smegma]

This topic is rapidly becoming Descartes' bloated colon.

You know, he was the only one interested in truth.

[excruciator]

Important, maybe.
Improbable and/or impractical? definitely.

50:50 is got a large wiggle room.
while a million to one is, well has little wiggle room.

Truth doesn't care about odds.

But odds exists and affects everything.

What he was saying is that truth is truth, but "odds" are an illusion. An event either happens or it does not, odds are just something we make up based on past experience.

Odd are an illusion?
But, heh, odd exists.

Also, not everything is based on all or none principle.

and, smeg was supposed to answer, but ok.

[Smegma]

Odd are an illusion?
But, heh, odd exists.

Also, not everything is based on all or none principle.

and, smeg was supposed to answer, but ok.

Firstly, odds may not exist. Second, the final outcome, the truth value, is binary. Just because it appears that one will be more LIKELY to happen than another doesn't mean it will happen, or is.

[Mangled*]

Remind me why this got stickied?

[excruciator]

Odd are an illusion?
But, heh, odd exists.

Also, not everything is based on all or none principle.

and, smeg was supposed to answer, but ok.

Firstly, odds may not exist. Second, the final outcome, the truth value, is binary. Just because it appears that one will be more LIKELY to happen than another doesn't mean it will happen, or is.

First, when there is chance, there is odds. So it does exist.

Absolute truth does not exist.
"Truth" bounded by chance, does however. If I can win lottery 90% of the time, I'm still gonna use that information to my advantage, regardless how false it might be.

[Smegma]

Absolute truth does not exist.

Is this true?

First, when there is chance, there is odds. So it does exist.

Great proof.

"Truth" bounded by chance, does however. If I can win lottery 90% of the time, I'm still gonna use that information to my advantage, regardless how false it might be.

If you win, you win.

[excruciator]

Absolute truth does not exist.

Is this true?

Unless it's a definition.
Defined values does not contain measurement errors.

"Truth" bounded by chance, does however. If I can win lottery 90% of the time, I'm still gonna use that information to my advantage, regardless how false it might be.

If you win, you win.

That's the outcome.
 I was talking about the chance of winning lottery.

[Smegma]

Unless it's a definition.
Defined values does not contain measurement errors.

So definition have a truth value of true if I define it as such? Plus, its still self-defeating.

That's the outcome.
 I was talking about the chance of winning lottery.

Its a truth. Did the state result in a win? Yes, it did. If its true, then its true.

[jettlarue]

I agree with, if there is a percentage something will not work, it is indeterminable. Take this for example:
Their is about a 1 in a couple trillion trillion--on an on for a while, that I will be physically able to walk through a wall at a specific time. It everything works to that degree of consistancy which is extremely unlikely to happen, although possible and has happened in quantum physics tests. This would just be on a large scale.
Just because there is a chance that I could walk through a wall it does not mean that as a society we should think it is possible, because such an anomoly is so rare that the idea of it is a waste of thought. It is "proven" you cannot walk through a wall, unless you take into account that 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 percent chance it happens.

Now what it seems you are doing, N. escalona, with all due respect, is that you are applying this type of thinking into much more common things(although still exponentially unplausable), such as the plate tectonics issue. Yeah there is a one in a couple septillions chance that an error has occured and we are all wrong. But this is not applicable to our minds understanding of things. No one that I know of can even comprehend that chance. Conscience or unconsciously you are putting up a mental block to disregard valid information.

[excruciator]

Unless it's a definition.
Defined values does not contain measurement errors.

So definition have a truth value of true if I define it as such? Plus, its still self-defeating.

Don't really know what you mean.

If I define the number 1 as... well one single thing/stuff whatever. Then that would be an absolute truth.

because 1 is 1 whenever.

That's the outcome.
 I was talking about the chance of winning lottery.

Its a truth. Did the state result in a win? Yes, it did. If its true, then its true.

only if winning is defined as getting the jackpot.

[Smegma]

Don't really know what you mean.

If I define the number 1 as... well one single thing/stuff whatever. Then that would be an absolute truth.

because 1 is 1 whenever.

Truth =/= absolute
This is true because it is defined, define = absolute truth.

But wait!

only if winning is defined as getting the jackpot.

Really!?

[excruciator]

Truth is already defined.Therefore, your definition isn't true.
Get your own word and defined it. Then that word will stay true.

And..yes. If A loss is a win, then I technically didn't win.

[Smegma]

Truth is already defined.Therefore, your definition isn't true.

That's a nice way for truth to work.

[excruciator]

Truth is already defined.Therefore, your definition isn't true.

That's a nice way for truth to work.

Truth can be such a cruel, heartless beast sometime.

[Smegma]

Truth is already defined.Therefore, your definition isn't true.

That's a nice way for truth to work.

Truth can be such a cruel, heartless beast sometime.

It was a 96% chance of perceiving sarcasm.

[N. Escalona]

Did you have to roll a d20 and add your Wisdom modifier?

[excruciator]

Did you have to roll a d20 and add your Wisdom modifier?

I wish that we were playing D&D

I guess we are back on topic. Let's talk more about fictional mystical stuff(god)

[Demonic]

In this thread: Smegma obilerating sanity.

[Smegma]

Let's talk more about fictional mystical stuff(god)

We never said mysticism involved God, merely assumed.