Official Religious Debate Thread

[excruciator]

If you dont have certain standard to distinguish what is divine and what is not, but just saying I do. Its not really helpful.
Cuz I wanna know too how to tell the difference between your everyday bum and God in incognito.

Also everyones different, so a sign for you might not be necessarily for them. Again, because of a lack of standard, it wouldnt be divine if everyone think its divine.(how can something be divine and mundane at the sametime?)

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Better example, however, we do understand it's general theory, but it cannot be predicted because there is much chance involved. Chaos theory is still a relatively new theory. However we are getting closer and closer to understanding it.

[Demonic]

So, what exactly decides which parts of the Bible are meant to be taken literally and which are metaphors? Is there some hidden appendix at the end which they left out of my copy?

People got burned for thinking that the Earth is round. People got stoned and linched for wizardry. And fuck, somehow ius primae noctis got together with 'no adultery or you're screwed' too.

I bow before no divine which applies a sliding scale of morality depending on our progress.

[GSx_Major]

We are imbued with souls, capable of understanding and free will.

And having a soul is like God how exactly? As for the other, how is this different than things not made in Gods spiritual image?

Furthermore we have enormous control over fish, especially those found near the surface. Altogether I'd say we've got pretty good dominion over fish.

We actually have fairly limited knowledge about the life in our oceans, let alone control over it. Ability to kill someone doesn't constitute control in my book.

It's not a question of extremes: literal or nonliteral. Some portions of Genesis are intended to be taken literally, some to be taken figuratively. Is this so hard to comprehend?

No, I just want want to know what parts to take literally and why.

We do have dominion over the world: moral dominion, not necessarily physical domination, as I mentioned.

And what does this mean? Just "don't kill all of them"?

But if they were, there is no contradiction, because God does whatever he wants.

Does God have to smack a bitch!?

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

N. Escalona, I've got two disagreements with what you've said, though they're more matters of interpretation than anything else.

1) For some reason, I was under the impression that once man fell, Satan was given dominion over the earth instead of man.  I couldn't find that in Genesis though (and I'm not quite sure where else to look), so I might be wrong.

2) When I read "God saw all that he had made and said it was good," I take that to mean angels and the like as well.  In other words, Satan hadn't fallen at that point, so there would've been no hell.

[Smegma]

Also everyones different, so a sign for you might not be necessarily for them. Again, because of a lack of standard, it wouldnt be divine if everyone think its divine.(how can something be divine and mundane at the sametime?)

Its quite simple, it has both qualities.

The moment you think there's anything practical to be taken from religion, that's the moment you've failed to understand it.

[excruciator]

It should be either or.
God is perfect, so it should be divine all the time.

It wouldn't be god's sign if it was even slightly mundane.

[Smegma]

It should be either or.
God is perfect, so it should be divine all the time.

It wouldn't be god's sign if it was even slightly mundane.

Limit it all you want.

[excruciator]

Sweet..

[N0va]

Ok i need help, one of my friends is being picked on by people because he is athiest....what intellectual ideas can I say to the bullies so that they leave him alone???

[jettlarue]

It's a sin to make fun of me dumbass.

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

It should be either or.
God is perfect, so it should be divine all the time.

It wouldn't be god's sign if it was even slightly mundane.

First of all, nothing in life is black and white.  Nothing.  Ever.

On the other hand, there's no mistaking when God is speaking to you.  When he acts in you and changes you, yes, it's subtle.  But when you're trying to get answers, you know it's God responding.

[Demonic]

On the other hand, there's no mistaking when God is speaking to you.  When he acts in you and changes you, yes, it's subtle.  But when you're trying to get answers, you know it's God responding.

And the people who blow themselfes up, or the famous case of the guy commiting suicide because he randomly hit up the Bible in search for answers, or the other fucked up weirdos commiting horrible things because they were convinced it's God acting in them?

A sign's a sign because you want it to be one.

[Smegma]

And the people who blow themselfes up, or the famous case of the guy commiting suicide because he randomly hit up the Bible in search for answers, or the other fucked up weirdos commiting horrible things because they were convinced it's God acting in them?

A sign's a sign because you want it to be one.

They are all from God, they just dont know how to handle it.

[excruciator]

It should be either or.
God is perfect, so it should be divine all the time.

It wouldn't be god's sign if it was even slightly mundane.

First of all, nothing in life is black and white.  Nothing.  Ever.

On the other hand, there's no mistaking when God is speaking to you.  When he acts in you and changes you, yes, it's subtle.  But when you're trying to get answers, you know it's God responding.

So God isn't perfect?(damn, you'll get smitten for saying that)So what was all that crap about God being perfect and his creation are perfect...

Remember, perfection is PERFECTION. Not flawless, slightly flawed etc etc...

What's the difference between me changing myself and God change me? Can you explain that to me?

And the people who blow themselfes up, or the famous case of the guy commiting suicide because he randomly hit up the Bible in search for answers, or the other f**ked up weirdos commiting horrible things because they were convinced it's God acting in them?

A sign's a sign because you want it to be one.

They are all from God, they just dont know how to handle it.

So God isn`t wise enough to keep idiots away from religion to save his other creations?

[Smegma]

So God isn`t wise enough to keep idiots away from religion to save his other creations?

God might not care.

[Rai-Dei]

God isn't controlling what we do, we have a free will, this is such a basic principle.

God may influence us in small indirect ways, but generally its up to us. 

[excruciator]

God may influence us in small indirect ways,

Such as?

[Rai-Dei]

Leaving an opportunity, could be a new job, could be a nice little ray of hope if you feel like shit. Hell, it can even be a small "gut feeling" about something you wouldn't think of.


Its not really that hard of a concept to grasp, you learn this in Sunday school as a child. I do not know why you drag these sorts of things out, its not like you are going to change your mind about anything.

[excruciator]

Opportunity can be explained by random chance, and gut feeling can be explained by primal instinct.
You cannot be sure it's God's magical touch if it can be explain with alternatives.

its not like you are going to change your mind about anything.

You are right, nobody here is going to chance their mind. It's still fun to discuss these things though.

[Rai-Dei]

You can take every example I have and throw it natural behavior, but the argument goes both ways. If you claim Science its just as easy to counter it with religion.

This argument is null.