Author Topic: Official Religious Debate Thread (Read 81075 times)

excruciator · « **Reply #320 on:** March 26, 2009, 10:29:35 am »

Sure, in term of theories, religion can fare just as well as science.
But what religion can't do is application, something we are actually interested in.

And also, science can backup answers with sadisfactory explanations. While religion..not really.

Smegma · « **Reply #321 on:** March 26, 2009, 03:22:40 pm »

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And also, science can backup answers with sadisfactory explanations. While religion..not really.

By whose standards?

Rai-Dei · « **Reply #322 on:** March 26, 2009, 03:28:44 pm »

excruciator · « **Reply #323 on:** March 26, 2009, 03:29:09 pm »

Quote from: Smegma on March 26, 2009, 03:22:40 pm

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And also, science can backup answers with sadisfactory explanations. While religion..not really.

By whose standards?

Someone unbiased who looks for understanding, not just a quick answer.

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Quote from: Rai-Dei on March 26, 2009, 03:28:44 pm

His.

I would hope that this person would be me.

STM1993 · « **Reply #324 on:** March 30, 2009, 11:53:59 am »

I find it odd that science can prove religion to be true or false, but religion can't prove science. If science cannot prove religion, then perhaps history can, but again it is limited.

Science is not always correct, there are many theories, but not all are proven correct and there may be errors here and there. For example, according to some calculations, bees should not be able to fly at all, yet contrary to these calculations, they can. Then there's the theory of evolution, and how does it make sense to have nothing to create everything?

Smegma · « **Reply #325 on:** March 30, 2009, 01:45:54 pm »

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Someone unbiased who looks for understanding, not just a quick answer.

Those are some horribly vague standards.

excruciator · « **Reply #326 on:** March 30, 2009, 09:55:48 pm »

Quote from: Smegma on March 30, 2009, 01:45:54 pm

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Someone unbiased who looks for understanding, not just a quick answer.

Those are some horribly vague standards.

Unfortunately, understanding and knowledge ARE vague concepts.

Smegma · « **Reply #327 on:** March 31, 2009, 11:32:54 am »

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Unfortunately, understanding and knowledge ARE vague concepts.

Not really, just hard to agree upon.

excruciator · « **Reply #328 on:** March 31, 2009, 02:36:47 pm »

Quote from: Smegma on March 31, 2009, 11:32:54 am

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Unfortunately, understanding and knowledge ARE vague concepts.

Not really, just hard to agree upon.

If it was clear, it wouldn't be hard to agree upon.

Smegma · « **Reply #329 on:** March 31, 2009, 08:01:20 pm »

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If it was clear, it wouldn't be hard to agree upon.

Only if all people are capable of the same potential intelligence at all times.

excruciator · « **Reply #330 on:** April 01, 2009, 07:15:36 am »

Good point.

Wormdundee · « **Reply #331 on:** April 01, 2009, 08:14:43 pm »

Quote from: STM1993 on March 30, 2009, 11:53:59 am

Then there's the theory of evolution, and how does it make sense to have nothing to create everything?

I'm not sure I see how religion changes this. You could say that some deity has always been there, but then why can't some rocks or whatever have always been there?
Unless I'm misunderstanding the point you were trying to make here.
I think the origin of the universe is pretty much an unanswerable question at this point. It always leads back to the fact everything has to have come from something, but then where did that 'thing' come from?

Platehead · « **Reply #332 on:** April 02, 2009, 01:33:07 am »

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Ahh this is going to be my first post in this topic, so bear with me if I'm on the totally wrong track. Haven't read all 16 pages and a bit.
I think there has to be an origin of the universe. The concept of 'time' must have started at some point, there must have been a point when everything came into existence. Stars burn fuel to give off energy, so if the universe is infinitely old, it doesn't make much sense for there to be an infinite amount of fuel existing at a point in time. Then, looking back at the exact point where time started - matter, or energy, or both must have appeared. So whereas a deity's creation of matter can explain the supposed violation of the law of conservation of matter and energy, I don't think a rock can...
Again, sorry if I'm on the wrong track.

GSx_Major · « **Reply #333 on:** April 02, 2009, 01:45:48 am »

The energy of a burning star doesn't disappear, and you still have the question where the diety came from, and in the end you just get an infinity there instead.

Platehead · « **Reply #334 on:** April 02, 2009, 01:59:12 am »

It doesn't disappear, nor does the star absorb it again... so it'd still have to have an incredibly massive amount of fuel. As for where and when the deity came from, you'd have to consider that a 'deity' is indeed supernatural, and does not have to be bound by time. In other words, if you accept that a deity exists, then it's logical that the deity is not bounded by time (infinite) and that perhaps 'time' itself was created.

GSx_Major · « **Reply #335 on:** April 03, 2009, 08:22:31 pm »

Why is that logical?

iDante · « **Reply #336 on:** April 04, 2009, 12:40:58 am »

Platehead: Meet the Big Bang. Big Bang, meet Platehead.

Platehead · « **Reply #337 on:** April 04, 2009, 05:16:37 am »

Still, where would the initial energy/heat/matter come from...?

STM1993 · « **Reply #338 on:** April 04, 2009, 06:15:53 am »

The question is, how does the universe and time exist?

If it were created in the beginning by a big bang, then where did all that energy come from (energy cannot be destroyed or created)? Obviously, either someone who isn't bound by matter, time and space must have caused it to happen, OR the universe has always existed somehow.

If it were created by a divine being, then the creator has to be one who isn't bound to matter, time and space.

excruciator · « **Reply #339 on:** April 04, 2009, 09:27:08 am »

Quote from: STM1993 on April 04, 2009, 06:15:53 am

The question is, how does the universe and time exist?

If I remembered right, there was an hypothesis about us being a bubble separated from an already existing universe.

And I don't think time exists.

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