Official Religious Debate Thread

[Espadon]

Okay I withdraw strictly the point towards Epic Guy, since you can't seem to raise your eyes above that level, but what I was meaning by "petty" was not about us discussing this in this thread, but rather about why we can't just leave each to their own in real life. Did I make some kinda sense? =_O Please do note that discussion =/= being forceful to another about ideology. Discussion and flow of ideas is absolutely necessary, but I think doing to to purely defeat the other side is a perversion of communication.

I'm also pretty sure everyone can be a dick to you since you're pretty much the dick rex on this forum, Frunk.

[N. Escalona]

His existence and evolution are not mutually exclusive, no matter how much one denies it you can have these two concepts working hand in hand.

Not sure what God you believe in, as evolution and the big bang theory are completely incompatible with christianity. And while God and evolution could work together, the bible could not fit into that mix, as God is logical and not a God of confusion, with the bible being true and clearly saying evolution is untrue they are mutually exclusive.

This is not at all true. Show me where the Bible contradicts evolution. It doesn't: both the Big Bang and evolution are completely compatible with Christianity, despite what some Christians may say.

[Lord Frunkamunch]

Discussion and flow of ideas is absolutely necessary, but I think doing to to purely defeat the other side is a perversion of communication.

When you put it that way I agree entirely.

I'm also pretty sure everyone can be a dick to you since you're pretty much the dick rex on this forum, Frunk.

If that was a reference to my gargantuan member then that's another thing I'm unable to deny in good conscience.

[ds dude]

God damn, for all I know, god could have made everything like this to make us think there is no god, because it isn't the right time. Let's all get into a quiet mood right now. *Relaxes*

God set the whole thing up, yep, that's right. He doesn't want us to know he is there, because he doesn't want us to kill ourselves and just go to eternal life. He wants to see what he can do on earth and THEN take us to heaven, where we can all see each other.

What. Now.

[Lord Frunkamunch]

Golly, it sound like you're frantically trying to rationalize what even you are starting to think of as a ridiculous viewpoint.

[The Epic Guy]

His existence and evolution are not mutually exclusive, no matter how much one denies it you can have these two concepts working hand in hand.

Not sure what God you believe in, as evolution and the big bang theory are completely incompatible with christianity. And while God and evolution could work together, the bible could not fit into that mix, as God is logical and not a God of confusion, with the bible being true and clearly saying evolution is untrue they are mutually exclusive.

This is not at all true. Show me where the Bible contradicts evolution. It doesn't: both the Big Bang and evolution are completely compatible with Christianity, despite what some Christians may say.

Ive been told that everything is set in motion by god, that god set up the big bang, that god effects the evolution of species. That seems to me like compatability. From what I heard, the scientific explaination for these events is "it just happened". So it seems to me like its a personal preference between god and luck.

[Lord Frunkamunch]

What I never liked about that theory is that it works perfectly fine even after you remove the "god" bit. The big bang and evolution could have happened without him, so why even introduce a god that people freely admit can't be proven to exist? It seems to me like unnecessary complication of things that could easily be explained by infinite probability.

[Smegma]

When they say compatible, they are just showing it fits not that it is a proof.

[The Epic Guy]

What I never liked about that theory is that it works perfectly fine even after you remove the "god" bit. The big bang and evolution could have happened without him, so why even introduce a god that people freely admit can't be proven to exist? It seems to me like unnecessary complication of things that could easily be explained by infinite probability.

Some people just refuse to believe that such a complex universe was created by accident. They rather think it was of the creativity of a greater being that is responsible.

When they say compatible, they are just showing it fits not that it is a proof.

If there was proof, then the big bang wouldnt be a theory, would it now?

[The Geologist]

When they say compatible, they are just showing it fits not that it is a proof.

If there was proof, then the big bang wouldnt be a theory, would it now?

/facepalm

[GSx_Major]

Not sure what God you believe in, as evolution and the big bang theory are completely incompatible with christianity. And while God and evolution could work together, the bible could not fit into that mix, as God is logical and not a God of confusion, with the bible being true and clearly saying evolution is untrue they are mutually exclusive.

This is not at all true. Show me where the Bible contradicts evolution. It doesn't: both the Big Bang and evolution are completely compatible with Christianity, despite what some Christians may say.

Despite what the bible says?

/facepalm

F12.

Some people just refuse to believe that such a complex universe was created by accident. They rather think it was of the creativity of a greater being that is responsible.

That's like calling rain "created by accident". Why do religious people always put the choice between God and randomness? It's like they only have two ways, complete absolutism and "lol wut?".

[Farah]

gsx major i did not say i was a christian
i don't try to affiliate myself with a religion really but effectively i am a muslim

[GSx_Major]

Not quite as familiar with Islam, but it shares Adam and Eve as the root of human beings which would go against evolution.

[jrgp]

Stickied. From now on use this thread for all religious discussion, instead of making jillions of useless redundant topics.

[Farah]

Not quite as familiar with Islam, but it shares Adam and Eve as the root of human beings which would go against evolution.

did you even read my post
evolution is not limited to the theory we came from monkeys, it happens everywhere else in life too. i explained why I do not think we came from monkeys in my post.

[N. Escalona]

When they say compatible, they are just showing it fits not that it is a proof.

If there was proof, then the big bang wouldnt be a theory, would it now?

/facepalm

No, his point was valid. Proof is irrelevant in science.

Not sure what God you believe in, as evolution and the big bang theory are completely incompatible with christianity. And while God and evolution could work together, the bible could not fit into that mix, as God is logical and not a God of confusion, with the bible being true and clearly saying evolution is untrue they are mutually exclusive.

This is not at all true. Show me where the Bible contradicts evolution. It doesn't: both the Big Bang and evolution are completely compatible with Christianity, despite what some Christians may say.

Despite what the bible says?

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Do we need to run through this again? Many portions of the Genesis story are not literal. Incl. "day 3""day 5" etc. Evolution is compatible because those details need not be taken literally.

Stickied. From now on use this thread for all religious discussion, instead of making jillions of useless redundant topics.

Not going to happen, at least not the way you put it.

Alright people.

Going to try an experiment here, since it seems that no topic is safe from getting dragged into religious debate these days.

Instead of going off course in another topic where religious issues just somehow pop up, do it in here.

While I appreciate what you are trying to do here, don't expect religion to vanish from all other topics. For those of us who are religious, it's usually a critical part of how they see the world, even in situations and topics other may not consider explicitly religious.

In conclusion, I will try to make this topic my main place for religious discussion, but I won't pretend I'm not religious in other topics either. I hope that's all right. I'm not trying to grief the forums or anything.

[GSx_Major]

evolution is not limited to the theory we came from monkeys, it happens everywhere else in life too. i explained why I do not think we came from monkeys in my post.

Yeah, I read and figured I couldn't comment anything not rude about it. Accepting it in all cases but with humans is retarded, and all proof points goes against you.

Do we need to run through this again? Many portions of the Genesis story are not literal. Incl. "day 3""day 5" etc. Evolution is compatible because those details need not be taken literally.

Yes, every time with every person I do. It seems "not taking it literally" means "ignoring it". I'd like to hear you non-literal interpretation of it. Also, God is logic, not confusion, and wouldn't say it if it wasn't true, etc. But alright, I'll give you that if you reject a lot of the bible (which you clearly have no trouble with, which is fine but kinda comical - free ranging fundamentalism) then it can allow for the big bang theory and evolution.

Proof is irrelevant in science? Gee, do elaborate.

[Farah]

no i am saying there is not sufficient evidence for me to suggest that we came from monkeys

do you understand my point? whoa we share 98.7% of our dna with a chimp. so what? we share 85% with mice! does this mean we evolved from mice - chimp - homo sapien? no it just isn't enough for me. don't be so arrogant as to make a point, call me retarded and not elaborate.

[The Geologist]

No, his point was valid. Proof is irrelevant in science.

Care to explain how? 

[~Niko~]

Are you all christian because someone told you about god or because you truly wanted to believe in?