Official Religious Debate Thread

[Mitak]

Great topic. Have you discussed reincarnation? I know Christianity used to accept that way back when it was formed, but now it doesn't. It explains why we're here. Sorry I can't contribute with anything at the moment, but if you find that interesting and feel open for it, I have some info that might prove useful.

[excruciator]

Let's talk more about fictional mystical stuff(god)

We never said mysticism involved God, merely assumed.

Yes, I assumed that god was part of the mysticism.
and I assume that other people would think of magic and gods too, when they think about mysticism.

[N. Escalona]

Great topic. Have you discussed reincarnation? I know Christianity used to accept that way back when it was formed, but now it doesn't.

ORLY?

It explains why we're here.

So does creation at conception. Right?

[Mitak]

Sure thing. But giving life's got a deeper spiritual meaning than the ordinary outcome of the physical act known as "rooting".

By simply being born, you don't know what you're here for. Simple conception isn't enough. There are ways to accurately tell you why you chose to be born here, now and to these parents. Also, to precisely point you at which stage of your spiritual development you are now, what is to become of you in order to proceed and millions of details included.

People who don't give a damn about that, waste their lives, doing stupid stuff, which would affect their so called karma in another life, and then they go whining around, trolling why their lives are failing so badly and that they've done nothing wrong. You see them in jail, begging on the street, being infertile, crippled etc.

You can easily tell if one's still spiritually undeveloped - these are naive, provocative, materialistic, hypocrite, survivalist and so on people, who think life is only one, and after death there's nothing.
I don't blame them, everyone eventually goes through that stage, just to realize it's not what you should strive for and that it only carries debts after itself.

Just think about it - living only once and dying, never to be born again and suffer being caged in a physical body... THAT'S TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE!!!

(Just to add something - I'm not a religious freak, I don't hold on to Christianity, so don't flame me for the sake of flaming a baptised person >_^ I'm interested in different aspects, beliefs, theories, just anything but let's not throw curses at each other for having different views on life.)

[N. Escalona]

Sure thing. But giving life's got a deeper spiritual meaning than the ordinary outcome of the physical act known as "rooting".

I think it's society that has made sexuality "ordinary" and "crude", rather than that being its true nature. I think sexuality is incredibly spiritual, such that it is a suitable vehicle for new life.

By simply being born, you don't know what you're here for. Simple conception isn't enough. There are ways to accurately tell you why you chose to be born here, now and to these parents. Also, to precisely point you at which stage of your spiritual development you are now, what is to become of you in order to proceed and millions of details included.

I don't know what I'm here for (in specific terms), you're right. But that's okay, because I know that as long as I trust in the Lord's will and follow His laws, I don't need to know why I'm here. The Lord handles that.

Just think about it - living only once and dying, never to be born again and suffer being caged in a physical body... THAT'S JUST TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE!!!

Wait - what part is too good to be true?

(Just to add something - I'm not a religious freak, I don't hold on to Christianity, so don't flame me for the sake of flaming a baptised person >_^ I'm interested in different aspects, beliefs, theories, just anything but let's not throw curses at each other for having different views on life.)

I am a hard-line Catholic; know that any criticism directed at your views (not you personally) will be coming from the opposite direction as that which you say you anticipate.

[Mitak]

I meant to say that it would be too good to be true if you could only live once. That's the easy way. We have to live and suffer quite a bit before we reach the astral level (that is not having to return in a physical form).

Your point of view is very clear. I'd feel bad if I offended you or your beliefs in any way. Criticism isn't the best pick, especially when discussing and trying to find the harmony between different religions. The topic is still too unbalanced, takes a tiny bit of tension to convert the mass to anti-religion and unwillingly recruit hatred. It is a debate thread but we all know what debates are like in forums.

[Smegma]

and I assume that other people would think of magic and gods too, when they think about mysticism.

This doesn't mean they are correct.

[jettlarue]

N. Escalona, if you overlooked my last two posts I would like to hear a response. One is the second post by me on page 4. The other is on page 9. Both are unanswered questions directed toward you. All the best.

[N. Escalona]

You're making this a false choice! Please understand that I am a very active Catholic, as well as an aspiring scientist who hopes to do research in (physics|chemistry|biology) for the rest of his life. It is NOT a choice between religion and science and do not make it one.

As for rejecting both I think that's just keeping oneself in ignorance.

As for accepting both I find you in a greater amount of ignorance for basing your life around two conflicting rationales.

This is such a tired point. Explain your assertion that science and religion conflict.

There is no sin that, if repented, will not be forgiven. This blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, or the Holy Spirit, is final obstinacy. Refusing to repent even until death. More generally, willful rejection of God’s grace and forgiveness. These passages are saying that if sins are not repented, then they shall not be forgiven. If we continue to reject the Holy Spirit by ignoring its calls to conversion until we die, we cannot be forgiven. If however, we repent (even of the worst blasphemies), we are forgiven.

I can destroy your argument with a direct quote from the bible bitch! (slightly sarcastic)

Everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

Now if you argue with me on this fact you are blaspheming your religion, haha I guess I have an up on this argument.

You clearly didn't finish reading my post (#24) because if you had, you'd know that I posted that exact same verse, in support of my argument.

I don't understand how you think I'm contradicting this verse.

Nothing about this debate bothers me more than the ignorance of one who follows a religion as much as you, and has little to no understanding of the scriptures contained; to me that is the greatest form of ignorance to truly believe you will burn forever if you fuck up and dont say sorry in 70 years, and have no apparant sorrow for all the others in the world who are going to be going to burn in hell for eternity instead. If I believed in a religion the way you do, my depression would skyrocket; luckily ignorance is bliss eh?

I like to think I have a pretty good understanding of Scripture compared to the average Joe. When you stop and think about this rationally, given the premises that God exists and He is just, the concept of hell makes perfect sense.

And from where the hell do you pull this idea that religious people aren't sorry that people are going to hell? That's just f*cked up. I can't see this debate going anywhere rational very fast.

[The Geologist]

That's one hell of a premise, assuming it's correct. 

[GSx_Major]

This is such a tired point. Explain your assertion that science and religion conflict.

Obviously they don't for you, as you only follow the parts of your religion that you like.

You clearly didn't finish reading my post (#24) because if you had, you'd know that I posted that exact same verse, in support of my argument.

Kinda hard to see how you interpreted the verse in that way, I don't see how blasphemy against the holy spirit equals final obstinacy.

[excruciator]

and I assume that other people would think of magic and gods too, when they think about mysticism.

This doesn't mean they are correct.

The point is to get the information across.

[Smegma]

given the premises that God exists and He is just

This depends how you define God.

The point is to get the information across.

What information?

[excruciator]

What information?

Info as in whatever I said.

[Psycho]

If you believe in reincarnation, then what if mankind goes extinct? All it takes is the push of a button.

What would happen as the last living man on earth takes his last breath?

I am asking the religious gang here ofcorse. My opinion is that it's just game over.

[MyiEye]

If you believe in reincarnation, then what if mankind goes extinct? All it takes is the push of a button.

What would happen as the last living man on earth takes his last breath?

I am asking the religious gang here of corse. My opinion is that it's just game over.

My humble opinion is that this just isn't possible. I don't believe everyone will suddenly die ever, it's just not in God's plan, but I guess I don't really know if the Bible says anything about humans being in existence when Christ returns. However, if it did occur, I must believe that it was God planned/intended and would mark the end of civilization as we know it and would likely mark Jesus' second coming and the resurrection and judgment of everyone, because there would be no one to wait for the second coming, I guess that's why I believe we'll never all just die...because the Bible talks about waiting for His return, but then again I guess we can 'wait' in Heaven whatever that means. Wow, did any of that make sense to you? lol

[excruciator]

^
You know, it's not God that actually protect us, we just protect ourselves. All these gun control laws and nuclear weapon treaties are not made and enforced by God.

If we struggle to survive, that is just human instinct.
Prove me wrong.

[Psycho]

It is very possible and we are quite capable of destroying ourselves and rendering the planet inhospitable, but does any of you actually think god would directly intervene if there was to be a nuclear holocaust?

[Smegma]

^
Prove me wrong.

Unfortunately, or fortunately, that's not how it works.

[Mitak]

God is just a spectator. However, if people were to be exterminated, with all the massive weaponry around, it would have happened by now. That's not the way it should be.

We must realize that nothing great was ever achieved by man all by himself. We are here to continue our ancestors' paths. All thoughts, ideas, enlightments that we have, are not ours, but sent from a supreme power.

All great inventions are fruits of a well established connection between human and that supreme power of unlimited information. We are controlled from a level far above from our own. Humans are nothing but a lever.