10 Clones Solve A puzzle. (Thought Topic)

[Gnoblar]

If 10 exact clones are given a puzzle, will they solve it in the same way, will they think of ideas at the same time and conduct them in the same way? Or will it be different.

For the purposes of the conversation, the clones are all the same, EXACTLY the same.

The more you think about it the stranger it get's, what are your thoughts?

[a-4-year-old]

I'm going to go ahead and assume that you can do the problem multiple ways.

I think my clones would figure it out in different ways. When I go to solve a problem I could very easily miss a piece of information that one of my clones could see right away.

DNA doesn't really have significance here, problem solving skills are groomed, not embedded.

[Gnoblar]

I'm going to go ahead and assume that you can do the problem multiple ways.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that, yes it does.

It's weird, because they all have EXACTLY the same mind, and therefore it would make sense to have the same approach. If one misses a mistake then the other's might as well, or maybe not? It's confusing.

[demoniac93]

No 2 people in the whole universe have or will ever have the exactly same thoughts, experiences, of capabilities\abilities...
You can't make any 2 human beings see everything in life the same way, therefor even if only by perspective they will have different experiences, knowledge, and opinions.

[Veritas]

No 2 people in the whole universe have or will ever have the exactly same thoughts, experiences, of capabilities\abilities...

Hence thought problem and not real problem.

In any case, what this problem breaks down to is this:
1. Do you believe in free will? If so, then each clone may or may not solve it in the same manner.
2. Do you believe consciousness is deterministic? If so, each clone will solve it in the same manner.

I see no reason to accept dualism, so option 2.

[excruciator]

nature & nurture. Both plays a factor.

So no, clones will solve differently, but come to the same conclusion.

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

nature & nurture. Both plays a factor.

So no, clones will solve differently, but come to the same conclusion.

I don't even know if you can say they'll come to the same conclusion.  Nurture plays a pretty large role in someone's growth, and because the clones aren't the same person, they can't possibly have the same experiences.  All that adds up over time, and eventually you have 10 people who look the same and have the same brains but think differently.

Anyone who's dealt with AI knows this.  Feed in different training data, and you'll get different results.

[Smegma]

For the purposes of the conversation, the clones are all the same, EXACTLY the same.

Whats this here?

If they do not solve it in the same way, they are no longer EXACTLY the same.

[excruciator]

nature & nurture. Both plays a factor.

So no, clones will solve differently, but come to the same conclusion.

I don't even know if you can say they'll come to the same conclusion.

I assumed that the puzzle will only have one solution. So if they do solve it, they will come to the same conclusion.

[Gnoblar]

Whats this here?

If they do not solve it in the same way, they are no longer EXACTLY the same.

I meant they are biologically exactly the same. They were brought up exactly the same as well, don't think too much on this though.

I'm
Just curious to see if two exact minds can think of something differently.

[Lord Frunkamunch]

Nope. If they are, as you said, completely identical in mind and experiences, there is no reason for them to do anything differently.

[Serial K!ller]

Their thoughts should be the same when they are Exactly the same and all there experiences are the same which isn't possible unless there are like parallel universes.

[Lord Frunkamunch]

Which is why it's a hypothetical puzzle. After establishing that, it's not much of one.

[excruciator]

Nope. If they are, as you said, completely identical in mind and experiences, there is no reason for them to do anything differently.

He meant biologically.
Haven't you see twins doing different things at same times?

[Lord Frunkamunch]

I meant they are biologically exactly the same. They were brought up exactly the same as well, don't think too much on this though.

[demoniac93]

No, not even if they lived in "parallel" universes don't you get it? unless they are "bots" or "cyborgs" or that kind of bio-engineered robots, and have the same database, as in copied and pasted experiences from one to the rest, without ANY file loss at all, that's when you got identical brains, other than that NO.

[LtKillroy]

Why are people so fascinated by hypotheticals that are both unprovable and will never happen? My answer is there is no way of knowing.

[Lord Frunkamunch]

or that kind of bio-engineered robots,

you mean something like clones? intriguing.

[demoniac93]

Dude just get off my back already! You're gonna be attacking my opinions wherever i go?! Whatever just f**k off....
And i think i can agree with you on your point Killroy.

[excruciator]

Maybe the change in micro-environments would act as trigger for the epiphany, therefore I think it is possible for them to approach the same puzzle differently, depending on the trigga.

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