Hormone - Stupid or Revolutionary

[HeavyMetal.Penguin91]

Well Soldat 1.5 is out with the first default map to have a new way of placing flags - ctf_hormone. The Alpha spawns are placed over the Beta flag and vice-a-versa so it becomes a fight to bring back the flag - for the human players. Its a logical nightmare to waypoint this model of ctf because bots follow enemys wps to return the flag. So the wps in ctf_Hormone don't work.

So whats your opinion on ctf_Hormone - stupid or revolutionary?

[Biggles]

I already know that Hormone is pretty much unique, though sometimes it feels like it's depending on luck.. but it's really funny if you know how to play it.

[VirtualTT]

This is called *Reverse CTF*... waypoints don't work... but that's just bot stupidity... However i don't like Hormone for some other reasons

[SniperTheKiller]

Like: norm mode yes, in realistic no.

[Rook_PL]

It's fun, and no need to defend the base ;P Really I prefer this to maps where bases are separated by shoot-through, don't-walk-through beams and all is about tossing the flag. These maps suck.

[Suowarrior]

While was creating it with Kouleman, I thought it's new thing setting reversed flags. But yah it seemed that it's not new thing, I guess there are made several (or dozens) reversed maps before it. It was supposed to be only at #soldat.gather custom, that's why it's looking fast build and cheap. Still I'm not sure if it's fitting default or not, but luckily it's not my call.

[zakath]

actually wypts do work somewhat in hormone problem is that most of the time the flagcarrier will walk alone and its not so likely he will cap as the other bots will camp in base while their flagcarrier also walks alone.

[Kouleman]

Well hormone is realy unique map at the default maps. But I don't think it starts revolutionary. Because reverse ctf is hard to get fine working maps. At our currently point of view hormone is kinda alone there (sure there is some other reverse ctf maps too but they work more or less fine...) Hopefully people get inspiration to make new reverse maps from hormone. Maybe someone else is able to find new working reverse ctf maps.

 

[homerofgods]

I will give you tip on how to play it.
One get the flag and just avoid the others, and rush to cap. the other 2 must be more defensive and only focus on killing the efc. the reason they must be defensive is that the EFC will rush right through them if they don't watch out.
FFC is not supposed to kill so mush, just get to their base and wait for the return.

Why complain about the map? it's totally good.

[zakath]

another tip is to not always return the flag as soon as you have killed the efc its might be tactical to time the return when ffc is at flag place for cap.

[DarkCrusade]

Online: Cool map, looks like in old days were I didnt play

Offline: Poor and stupid, there was never a map in any version of Soldat that was not playable offline without disadvantages. Making Hormone default is a big - for 1.5 in my opinion. For guys that never play online, and there are some dudes (including me for about 3 months at my beginning at Soldat at 1.3). So far: you need skilled and intelligent players for playing the map, it is kinda annoying to see buddies run away from EFC and flag is in base ... Yes it is funny!

[Pekay.jps]

I will give you tip on how to play it.
One get the flag and just avoid the others, and rush to cap. the other 2 must be more defensive and only focus on killing the efc. the reason they must be defensive is that the EFC will rush right through them if they don't watch out.
FFC is not supposed to kill so mush, just get to their base and wait for the return.

Why complain about the map? it's totally good.

another tip is to not always return the flag as soon as you have killed the efc its might be tactical to time the return when ffc is at flag place for cap.

Well... might work on private servers, cw's or gathers but hell... on publics that map really annoys me. No matter what, you always got the guys on your side who do it wrong, who just don't seem to be able to def properly and return the flag... also in general, also on private servers, I really hate unconventional maps such as reversed ctf, for exactly the same reasons.

[DarkCrusade]

Yes, reversed is new to most players, that´s why I get angry seeing hormone getting voted

[Kouleman]

It is good that it is default map. It kinda force people to play together and learn team playing.... I understant that it is hard at public. and likely stupid. But it is not stupid because of the mapping style. It is stupid because players who play it doesn't understant how to play it :> (I think this will improve the quality of soldat players team skills at future)

[Pekay.jps]

I am not sure whether FORCING players to teamplay actually makes them better at teamplay. People on pubs just don't teamplay. Your idea is like (sorry, I don't mean to be offensive here) putting 10 homosexuals into a cell and telling them not to "love" each other. It's against their nature. Same goes for Publics.

offtopic: ctf_X is incredibly hurting my eyes, too. It's one of those maps where you can say that spamming beats skills

[homerofgods]

I can imagine these maps isn't that much fun in public But the pro comunity needed them.
Just a comment: Even the ''pro'' players have problems understanding how to play Hormone

[zakath]

I am not sure whether FORCING players to teamplay actually makes them better at teamplay. People on pubs just don't teamplay. Your idea is like (sorry, I don't mean to be offensive here) putting 10 homosexuals into a cell and telling them not to "love" each other. It's against their nature. Same goes for Publics.

offtopic: ctf_X is incredibly hurting my eyes, too. It's one of those maps where you can say that spamming beats skills

forcing teamplay has actually worked even at pubs for example at icebeam everyone seems to throw flag middle now even though they don't get the cap themselves. so they will adapt no doubt about that.

[Sir Jeremy]

Actually ctf_Hormone isn't so bad once you get used to it.  When I first saw it and played it, I thought it was stupid, but then I got used to it, and now it's actually quite fun to play.  I love defending on it, and it's also a great map to get lots of kills 35-50 or so.  Just like ctf_Guardian, small but fast action packed play.

[Gnoblar]

I love Hormone. It's so much fun. It's instant death with nade spamming, barretting, M79ing, MP-5ing. Love it. I wouldn't say revolutionary, but definitely not stupid. I love it.