Foundation - Stabilizing Commencing

[Blacksheepboy]

Inf Foundation - Stabilizing Commencing

August 19th:
I was not content with the "final" design. The tunnel route was simply too long and unbroken, which made escaping with the flag very easy; it was too safe. To fix the problem, I broke it in - very much to my satisfaction. While I was at it, I cleaned up the tower. Altogether: much cleaner.

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May 14th screenshot
May 16th screenshot
May 21st screenshot
May 27th screenshot - May 27th screenshot2
May 29th screenshot
June 10th [1] - June 10th [2]

Download latest version here

[Suowarrior]

You propably wasn't asking ideas to rest of map, but well here's things which are problems in my view, and solutions:



I would say that the most important ones are deleting OBC and moving flag spawn a bit.

[demoniac93]

You propably wasn't asking ideas to rest of map, but well here's things which are problems in my view, and solutions:



I would say that the most important ones are deleting OBC and moving flag spawn a bit.

The new route-Good idea.
Don't delete the polyisle, it's a sniping spot, and a very important vantage point in the map.
Leave the flag spot and the OBC as they are, trust me it would ryin the gameplay.
And replacing the polies with colliders is an awesome idea.

[Suowarrior]

The new route-Good idea.
Don't delete the polyisle, it's a sniping spot, and a very important vantage point in the map.
Leave the flag spot and the OBC as they are, trust me it would ryin the gameplay.

Yeah I sure know why there is that polyisland (it looks kinda cool having such barret place camp), but maptesting has made it clear that it's bad defending position. Defending is easier when you have room to move on. If you try camp at that tiny small hole with barret, attacker can pretty easily give small spray and bink that barret guy (then he's completely out of game). It's just much better to defend under that polyisland, where you have more room to take steps back and have the same range.

The reason behind deleting OBC is to help attacker. At the moment the defenders can just wait at right side of OBC and camp until attacker comes to right side, and just nade him into wall.

In addition one more idea, you have those three small OPCs in base. Make them longer to give better shoot range for defender (you could have 2 opcs instead of three).

[zakath]

also those 3 opcs are to thin atm makeing them "jumpy"

[SniperTheKiller]

A lower route 'd make things more challeging too its ugly, but its a though



God save paint

[demoniac93]

A lower route 'd make things more challeging too its ugly, but its a though



God save paint

Dude, no, this map is supposed to be a 1 way blood fest, no.

[zakath]

what I have found out playing inf(mostly at #soldat.mapping testing new maps) is that the more entrances and ways to attack the more hectic and fun game. smashing your head against the wall isn't particulary fun.

[demoniac93]

what I have found out playing inf(mostly at #soldat.mapping testing new maps) is that the more entrances and ways to attack the more hectic and fun game. smashing your head against the wall isn't particulary fun.

Not for Foundation, this is one of the oldest maps out there, and it's specially designed and appreciated as a one way map, it's mostly designed for rushing\ defensive stoppers. I played it a 1000 times with 1000 different people more routes would totally ruin the purpose of that map :/

[SniperTheKiller]

Cant hurt to have more versions can it?

[Blacksheepboy]

Haha, it doesn't appear this way, but the front entrance to Bravo's base hasn't been OBC since the last update.. to make that more clear, I'll delete the door.

FYI: I'll be taking a crack at a few versions..

edit: Yeah, that top route really is good.  It adds more variety when you are attacking.

[Blacksheepboy]

Little bunker to left made wider; right entrance to that little bunker is closer to the ground.  Windows in Bravo base given flat surfaces to stand on when shooting out of them... everything else can be recognized by looking at the screenshot.

Oi! and jet increased to 95 ticks.

Update in first post.

[Blacksheepboy]

Collateral for deleted cover by alpha cave is a new bunker.  Plays much better.  Not as much cramping by the Alpha cave exit when Bravo explores into the field.  Jet is now 70 ticks.  Screenshot at top, and updated download.

Removed the cave leading into bravo-base low.

[demoniac93]

Sorry to say this, but you just ruined the map imo.

[Blacksheepboy]

@demoniac93: Explanation please...?

That's why I'm posting updates here. Maybe I'm asking too much though [shrugs]

[Blacksheepboy]

Update again. Please check out top post. It has the up-to-date info.

[As de Espada]

man, that upper route is really great!
I think that other route is rouning the map, you kinda lost your focus
I would help peopple going to the upper route, like this

[demoniac93]

man, that upper route is really great!
I think that other route is rouning the map, you kinda lost your focus
I would help peopple going to the upper route, like this

People for crying out loud leave the middle bunker as it was, widen it maybe, ok, but don't change anything else about it. If you wanna get to the top route simply learn m79 jumping or something.

[As de Espada]

yeah... I just thought you could get there without extra damage
I agree with you that this map should have almost no changes from the last one

[zakath]

have to disagree with those above me the more routes and possible ways to attack the more hectic it gets for bravo as they can't just camp off all routes. which imho turns it into a funner game. SuoWarrior did a map called inf_Camper(unreleased) with nice flag throwing options etc only thing wrong it was mainly one attacking route meaning as an attacker you had to smash your head against the wall time and time again to try and get the flag(not so fun). so haveing multiple ways of attacking keeps the defender at his edge, resulting in a funnier map to play.