Barrett Discussion.

[Gnoblar]

The Barrett is fine, but I think that it should be nerfed slighlty to encourage players to use different weapons. Seriously, I join a server and there are two gunners and everyone else is using a Barrett or M79. It's so boring, especially in TW, though I play vanilla now.

Thoughts?

Being mainly Barrett users, I can't see this going far...

[Ziem]

Barret is already the most useless weapon in ctf and 1.5 wm didn't made it any more useful. And people on pubs use it because it's 1 hit kill.

[DarkCrusade]

I agree to Ziem, it is mostly useless in ctf. If someone uses it he will be dead soon if every other player uses a "real" gun. The ruger btw is now really good, if your teammates play autos

[STM1993]

Seriously, I join a server and there are two gunners and everyone else is using a Barrett or M79.

What kind of a server is that? INF?

The Barrett is next to useless in CTF because of its heavy bink and extremely slow delay - the complete opposite to the offensive, fast-paced action in CTF ie: a very slow paced defensive weapon. Unlike the M79, it also does not have any useful advantages other than extremely long range (due to high bullet sped and scope, but nullified by bink when shot which happens very often in a fast-paced scenario) and 1-hit kill ability. Nades do not support the Barrett very well compared to other weapons too. It has a startup time that makes it even more vulnerable to bink.

As a result, people would turn to other guns instead of the Barrett in CTF.



However, it is among the better weapons and is well-balanced in other game modes, such as INF.

INF has a slower pace compared to CTF and the maps are much larger with a number suitable spots for sniping. This is where the Barrett shines. A good sniper, even if camping in the same (suitable) spot for a long time, can remain very effective against the opposing team due to its excellent range. The top path in Moonshine is a good example.

On a side note, I'd say that INF is the is the best game mode to check the weapon balance.

[Gnoblar]

I think weapon balance discussions are the most useless in this forum.
People just says what weapons they don't like just like this thrilling kid.

Pretty much.

I play INF a lot, but the CTF servers have barretters hiding in the corners all the time. I don't really have a quarrel with the Barrett, it's very balanced, but i'd just like to see people use something different. This is a pretty useless thread, but I'd just like to see more variety. No-one used minigun/spas/deagles/steyr in any of the games I play (That's in gamearena servers). It's just annoying. But hey that's gaming for you...

[demoniac93]

Go play gathers, that's the auto fest. I admit that I love the barret, because I'm mainly an INF player because for some reason it's just more fun, and relaxed than those tight and fast CTF's, plus it depends more on your personal skills rather than team play and tactics etc...
Saying you should nerf it cause you want people to use other weapons is ridiculous, cause it would switch the balance and therefore make the barret being used too little, so that wouldn't make it any better....
@STM: How come I only saw you in 1 INF my whole life? xD

[smiluu]

I play INF a lot, but the CTF servers have barretters hiding in the corners all the time. I don't really have a quarrel with the Barrett, it's very balanced, but i'd just like to see people use something different. This is a pretty useless thread, but I'd just like to see more variety. No-one used minigun/spas/deagles/steyr in any of the games I play (That's in gamearena servers). It's just annoying. But hey that's gaming for you...

It's their pretty focking own choise do they use the same or various weapons.
If nobody uses minigun, go ahead and represent it.

[~Niko~]

I used to RUSH with barrett in 1.3.1, 1.4, 1.4.2... but now... oh it's sad how the barrett gets more and more nerfed at each version. I'm even thinking on going back to the older versions, it's my fav weapon, and as the game updates it's more screwed up.

F*ck it.

[STM1993]

I used to RUSH with barrett in 1.3.1, 1.4, 1.4.2... but now... oh it's sad how the barrett gets more and more nerfed at each version.

You mean the indirect nerf by buffing other weapons? The Barrett's gotten a small buff in 1.5 of -15 fireinterval.

[tehsnipah]

Barret is already the most useless weapon in ctf and 1.5 wm didn't made it any more useful. And people on pubs use it because it's 1 hit kill.

I agree to Ziem, it is mostly useless in ctf. If someone uses it he will be dead soon if every other player uses a "real" gun. The ruger btw is now really good, if your teammates play autos

You guys deserve a spank.

Although the Barrett is 1 shot kill, it still has a horrible bink, and long start up time. It even takes longer than M79; so it's very, VERY easy to be killed in the beginning. Seriously, I've seen a pro player using Barrett, and they are nuts. Also, if you're smart, instead of knife/LAW/Socom, it's better to pick up other primary weapons.

For scoping, it may look easy, but it's not. You need to time your opponent's further moves, and nail it with one opportunity. Sure you might have grenades/LAW/Knife, but if you miss, you'll sort of be in a panic attack majority of times.

I experienced this for quite a while and understood the Barrett's ability. Sure it may look cheap and useless in CTF; but I'll tell you this. If you know how to control Barrett's bink, it is the most cruel weapon you'll ever get to use/see.

[LtKillroy]

Nerf? More like remove startup time >.>

[Gnoblar]

Nerf? More like remove startup time >.>

Oh god...

Well to make more sense, I've renamed ze topic.

[STM1993]

Nerf? More like remove startup time >.>

Remove startup time? That's insane! Lowering the startup is okay, but removing it is just too much. What you'd get after doing that is just a point-and-click gun which always kills as soon as you see your enemy and it can overcome bink too easily.

[tehsnipah]

Nerf? More like remove startup time >.>

Remove startup time? That's insane! Lowering the startup is okay, but removing it is just too much. What you'd get after doing that is just a point-and-click gun which always kills as soon as you see your enemy and it can overcome bink too easily.

Can't agree more. It will be the most overpowered weapon then.

[Gnoblar]

It'd have to have the same damage the ruger has if there were no start-up time, and that would be very boring. It'd get rid of the entire sniper need.

[~Niko~]

If you remove the Startup time, you wouldn't make the weapon better, you would just screw up each single trained sniper in Soldat. Thrust me.

[demoniac93]

If you remove the Startup time, you wouldn't make the weapon better, you would just screw up each single trained sniper in Soldat. Thrust me.

^This.
Oh and yes, you mentioned something about overcoming the bink in you previous post right Niko?
It's called "bink shot" as I and a friend have noticed it, you guys may not be able to figure it out but me and this friend of mine (He has mastered it a lot better than I have) can hit targets, even moving ones, while under the effect of bink, they don't even have to be close, and it's not luck.

[~Niko~]

I also know... but I'm losing practice. I can't do that in 1.5 because of the tiny changes to the barrett.

[Gortaak]

meh, the barrett in pubs is just awesome, even with auto users. But get on the competetive side, and its next to useless because of constant spray, more rushing, and more co-ordination between teams.  People that use the rett in clan wars/gathers are generally a liablity on most maps, if anything a bit of a buff for the competetive side would be better, to encourage more guns than just autos.

[Gnoblar]

I'd like to join some gathers and see how it pans out then.