Most Unbalanced Weapon (for version 1.5)

[Veritas]

Spas sucks at long range, is terrible for chasing EFCs, and is nowhere near the reliability and power of the Minimi.

Maybe cause its a SHOTGUN....,last time i check a shotgun wasn't suppoust to kill a guy at 12412415 mts away

Let me check if people are supposed to strap jets to their boots.


Nope, not looking like it. Got anything on the weapon balance then?

[[SIRS]Foxconn^^2012]

M79 is f**kin crazy

[Neosano]

http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=34804.0
Read this! Very useful link. These polls are useless! Statistics FTW!

[demoniac93]

I had a hunch Steyr is still the most kill achieving wep, probably the best in overall performance...But the HK and Minimi are very close as well, AK did quite good too.

[Jaedong]

Minimi shoots too fast with minimum bink while spas has too much speed. I think AK really needs buff by +speed and -dmg a bit because AK bullets are so slow making it harder to aim with.

Basically what I'm saying is minimi, and spas to an extent, are too easy to use.

[STM1993]

^ I personally believe the AK is fine at the moment, while the Minimi is currently too accurate and the Spas has too much speed yet too little spread.

[homerofgods]

^ I personally believe the AK is fine at the moment, while the Minimi is currently too accurate and the Spas has too much speed yet too little spread.

I'm a spas user myself, I think it should be harder to kill at distance, so either spread or shorter range, but skill counts the most so it's not that overpowered.

When it comes to minigun I don't think it should be as good as other guns, more like the saw, for fun.
But it can be used for boost, perfect for getting the flag and run, so I'd say you could play pretty well with it, actually I have tried it and you can. But I don't know if I hit where I aim, and it looks like spam comming out of a german kids ass when I shoot. No offence germans, I had to pick someone and didn't take poles this time.

Nades; I'm personally a fan of max 2 nades in ctf, since they are damn effective.

[MetsuriTossavainen]

Well, if I look at the topics, I get a picture that every single weapon is in one way or another unbalanced. :p

[Furai]

Taking a quick look at poll gave me only one conclusion: People complain about weapons which were buffed.

[Jaedong]

In terms of aiming (yes it's part of the game) for auto, I will say the minimi is the easiest. It's not very difficult for someone using the gun, from the first bullet of the gun, hit and kill someone on the very edge of their screen, due to the bullet's speed. However for AK, the speed is very slow and I guarantee you, unless you have used the gun for a long time and know how to aim it very well, you will miss one or two bullets before getting the target. Even then, keeping your aim on the target is hard and you'll most likely end up using around 15 bullets (probably more) to kill someone who is far away.

Personally, minimi is my best gun because I've used it for a long time. But with this new update, I think it's a bit too easy with 50 bullets and the best bullets (compared to the other autos).

Also, I think the steyr nerf was a bit too much. It is now more of a rushing gun (even though mp5 and minimi are still better at this). The decreased amount of ammo has made it more risky to spray and pre-shoot with. The bink has also made it very hard to hit people that are far away, like on the edge of your screen. This means in certain situations, the other person (opposition) can start shooting at you and hit you accurately from a distance while you can either:

a) try and out-aim them (almost impossible unless the other person isn't very skilled) and risk not killing them due to your lack of ammo or

b) wait for them to get closer before aiming at them, which isn't very convenient because they are already shooting at you.

However, it is still good at close and mid-range because of the bullet's speed. Also, because of Soldat's gameplay (fast-paced), most of the time you won't be shooting at each other from edges of screens and most likely within nading distance, but unforunately steyr is simply outperformed by minimi so badly because minimi can do what steyr can, and a lot more.

[STM1993]

In terms of aiming (yes it's part of the game) for auto, I will say the minimi is the easiest. It's not very difficult for someone using the gun, from the first bullet of the gun, hit and kill someone on the very edge of their screen, due to the bullet's speed. However for AK, the speed is very slow and I guarantee you, unless you have used the gun for a long time and know how to aim it very well, you will miss one or two bullets before getting the target. Even then, keeping your aim on the target is hard and you'll most likely end up using around 15 bullets (probably more) to kill someone who is far away.

Personally, minimi is my best gun because I've used it for a long time. But with this new update, I think it's a bit too easy with 50 bullets and the best bullets (compared to the other autos).

Also, I think the steyr nerf was a bit too much. It is now more of a rushing gun (even though mp5 and minimi are still better at this). The decreased amount of ammo has made it more risky to spray and pre-shoot with. The bink has also made it very hard to hit people that are far away, like on the edge of your screen. This means in certain situations, the other person (opposition) can start shooting at you and hit you accurately from a distance while you can either:

a) try and out-aim them (almost impossible unless the other person isn't very skilled) and risk not killing them due to your lack of ammo or

b) wait for them to get closer before aiming at them, which isn't very convenient because they are already shooting at you.

However, it is still good at close and mid-range because of the bullet's speed. Also, because of Soldat's gameplay (fast-paced), most of the time you won't be shooting at each other from edges of screens and most likely within nading distance, but unforunately steyr is simply outperformed by minimi so badly because minimi can do what steyr can, and a lot more.

I believe for aiming is totally personal preference. Some find it easier to aim an AK because they find the curve, slower bullet speed and slower firing rate more manageable for them, for instance. I'd agree though, that the Minimi's getting too accurate (what the heck, changing movementacc from 4 to 3?!). Bullet speed and accuracy are two separate issues. For instance, DEs are extremely accurate (no bink, no movementacc), but they have very low bullet speed. Bullet speed merely determines its range, how easily it may be dodged at a distance and its curve.

I used both the AK and Minimi and I liked them both. I personally prefer the AK when it comes down to accuracy and aiming.

I don't agree with the part on bink when it comes to the Aug. Read this topic with your attention on Major's video on firing the Aug 100% accurately: http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=34924.0

[Jaedong]

Do you even know what "aim" is?. It's when you put your crosshair on the enemy and shoot and this is only affected by bullet speed. Barrett has the fastest bullet speed and that's why it's easy to aim with because you don't have to aim above the enemy unless they're several screens away (which then you're not really aiming), but you can put your cursor on them and click and your bullet fires right at the spot you aimed at. What you are talking about is when people aim by looking at their bullets and their target and then readjusting their aim (means that most of the time their first few bullets will miss).

When you use the minimi, you only have to aim slightly above the enemy because the bullets are so fast. For example, when I'm shooting at someone near the edge of my screen, I put my crosshair a certain distance above them and my bullet will hit or be very close which then I can adjust my aim and hit them on the second or third bullet. This is because of minimi's fast rate of fire, that when you hit them with your first bullet, your second bullet is about to hit as well (different for AK which has slow bullet speed as well as slow rate of fire).

Aiming with AK is different because of the slower bullets, that, compared with the minimi, the distance is almost doubled and that your aim has to be ridiculous to hit them accurately (accurately as in you can kill them in 10 bullets or so, something I highly doubt you could do) at long distances.

And as for that steyr video, didn't even look like it was 1.5 so I didn't even bother watching it and the fact that it probably didn't show any long distance kills (I classify "long distance" as the edge of your screen; basically maximum viewing distance).

[STM1993]

Do you even know what "aim" is?. It's when you put your crosshair on the enemy and shoot and this is only affected by bullet speed.

Fine, looks like we have some problems communicating due to difference in understanding "aim". I'll go by your definition and say "leading" in place of "aiming" for my case, as in shooting where an enemy is going, because that's basically how you make your shots hit an opponent in Soldat.

[Jaedong]

Obviously you have to aim at where they're going because no one is standing still in Soldat. But with AK it's harder to do this than minimi and even steyr because your bullets move slower.

[STM1993]

Obviously you have to aim at where they're going because no one is standing still in Soldat. But with AK it's harder to do this than minimi and even steyr because your bullets move slower.

Explain how some people may use an AK (240 bs) and have better chances of hitting someone relatively far away than when they use an Aug or Minimi (260 / 270 bs), or even a Ruger (330 bs) for instance.

[Jaedong]

They don't. They just have more individual skill in using AK than other weapons.

[STM1993]

That's why I said personal preference. It's more on the individual skill. The ease of usage of any gun varies from person to person. What we're really talking about here is the maximum range potential, not aim.

[demoniac93]

And that's why some people say "m79 noob" to every single person using an m79, cause not all of them are "newbs" and can actually do real damage with it, not because it's a 1 hitter and simple to use, but because the less noticed +'s of it, like arc, and splash. Your own preferences of certain weapons don't mean the balance is off.

[-Major-]

Minimi shoots too fast with minimum bink while spas has too much speed. I think AK really needs buff by +speed and -dmg a bit because AK bullets are so slow making it harder to aim with.

Basically what I'm saying is minimi, and spas to an extent, are too easy to use.

AK is easy and rapes. altho imo minimi and spas are the very best weapons.

[Jaedong]

That's why I said personal preference. It's more on the individual skill. The ease of usage of any gun varies from person to person. What we're really talking about here is the maximum range potential, not aim.

Maximum range potential?. I don't think you any clue on what you're saying. Both AK and minimi are able to hit people barely beyond the edge of your screen and there's hardly situations where you need to hit people further than that distance (around 60m) except for random spraying. But because of AK's bullet speed you have to aim above them around 2cm if they're on the edge of your screen. Beyond that, you just have to have be lucky with your spray because AK also has a slow rate of fire.

With minimi, due to the bullet speed you can just aim around 1cm above them and hit them. In addition to that, minimi has fast rate of fire so it's possible for you to shoot around 15 (maybe less) bullets in four seconds and kill them. This is if you have half-decent aim and they're on the edge of your screen (maximum possible viewing distance as I've said before). With AK, the speed of the bullet and the rate of fire of the gun means that you're going to have to take more care with your aim and they won't die as quick, compared with shooting them with a minimi.

And if AK is easy, then I guess minimi is a single click gun because that's all you have to do to kill someone.