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Offline AussieJay

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[reborn] Friends Search/List
« on: July 01, 2009, 09:01:52 am »
Yes, I realise there's some threads that ask this (such as here) and I've done a search. But I want to bring it up again, so instead of gravedigging I've made this thread.

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Instead of a list of friends that would just be useless, a search feature could be useful. A field where you could search for other people, or people on your friends list, and it would present you with what game they're in.

HOWEVER, people could be annoyed that other players have the ability to follow them wherever they go. It's a win-lose situation.

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Re: [reborn] Friends Search/List
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2009, 09:05:02 am »
People can just change their names. That's one.

Two, it'd be a whole lot better if you ask for that person's IM or irc or something, then tell him that you want to join him in a game. This solves the problem of stalking. Plus, you'd only want to follow someone if he is a friend. If you're following some other people who is not your friend, you're stalking, and he won't give you any information, so you can't track him.
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Re: [reborn] Friends Search/List
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2009, 09:20:25 am »
Get both, you and your friends, xFire and you are done.

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Re: [reborn] Friends Search/List
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2009, 10:42:23 pm »
Friends must accept a friends invitation. A simple popup with yes or no buttons would do the trick.

I'm confused with your post DarkCrusade.
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Re: [reborn] Friends Search/List
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2009, 12:08:01 am »
Dark, XFire causes BattlEye violations and lag.
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Re: [reborn] Friends Search/List
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2009, 05:36:58 am »
Dark, XFire causes BattlEye violations and lag.
How does xfire cause lag? Besides, when you disable the in-game trash xfire has, it gets quite usable. However, real men use IRC, xfire is for newbies, at least as far as it goes to managing a clan.
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Re: [reborn] Friends Search/List
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2009, 12:22:32 am »
Not everyone uses MSN, IRC and/or XFire, so if you want to keep all your soldat friends together - you'd have to get all those programs, create an account there and then add your friends to several different contact lists.

A very basic friends system would be great. One that simply shows who's online and where each of your friends is playing.

P.S. XFire works with soldat perfectly fine for me. But I heard that it causes problems for some people.


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Re: [reborn] Friends Search/List
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2009, 12:35:15 am »
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R]One that simply shows who's online and where each of your friends is playing.

Exactly what I'm suggesting.
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Re: [reborn] Friends Search/List
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2009, 01:02:24 am »
Yes...none of this xfire crap.
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Re: [reborn] Friends Search/List
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2009, 02:51:09 am »
That'd mean adding an account system in Soldat, which is actually even more troublesome. Otherwise there is no other way in Soldat to keep track of friends - using IP and name is not accurate/reliable/effective. I seriously believe that using 3rd party programs are still the best. Too bad if you don't have the 3rd party programs.

On a side note, look at the failure of the lobby chat. We all asked for it, yet barely anyone uses it. What would make you think that a friends system would work? People in Soldat, unlike in other games, don't stay around in chat lobbies, they just join a server they normally go to and are confident that they'll meet most of their friends there.
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Re: [reborn] Friends Search/List
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2009, 12:33:30 am »
It's just to find what servers your friends are in and to chat with them in-game maybe? Sort of like css chat system would be cool.
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Re: [reborn] Friends Search/List
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2009, 07:10:59 am »
An account system would be a good idea, thanks for suggesting it lol. It would be hard work, but it actually sounds good. Right now, it's any random name for players which isn't exactly the best.

I can't use the lobby chat, it says it can't find the server. I can play online games though.
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Re: [reborn] Friends Search/List
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2009, 07:51:20 am »
I had suggested account system in other thread but it didn't catch ppl attention. I think account system should be fused with reg system.
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Re: [reborn] Friends Search/List
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2009, 08:05:39 am »
I had suggested account system in other thread but it didn't catch ppl attention. I think account system should be fused with reg system.

Well, that´s probably because this had been suggested like 10 times before.

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Re: [reborn] Friends Search/List
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2009, 08:17:48 am »
So I'm guessing that it was thrown in the rubbish bin, hmm?

Well for an accurate and fully operational friends system, we would need some way to authenticate friends and their friends.
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Re: [reborn] Friends Search/List
« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2009, 08:42:20 am »
But it is nearly impossible. There are 2 ways of doing it:

1) Keep a list of friends, you search for names. Problem: Everybody is able to name himself in this way

2) IP. Problem: Dynamic IPs change, many players change their IP to avoid votekicks / bans

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Re: [reborn] Friends Search/List
« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2009, 09:10:13 am »
That's why it should be done similar to CS steam account system, we've got one step behind us already - registration which is individual value for players.
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Re: [reborn] Friends Search/List
« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2009, 10:40:01 am »
No more new features!

New features = New Bugs

and this is crap, use MSN or other messenger or w/e but don't add this friend thingy

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Re: [reborn] Friends Search/List
« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2009, 01:34:43 pm »
No more new features!

New features = New Bugs

and this is crap, use MSN or other messenger or w/e but don't add this friend thingy
I'll tell you the horrible truth. MSN is not the ONLY messenger out there and not everyone has/wants/likes it. As i said before, some people use ICQ, AIM, XFire, whatever, and you cant make everyone go with same program.

Lobby chat was coded pretty nicely, and as far as I know final version is pretty bugless.

That's why it should be done similar to CS steam account system, we've got one step behind us already - registration which is individual value for players.
I thought of that too, but then what about unregged players? The point of friends system is to keep friends in touch. But if not everyone has bought (or even stole) the game, they'll still be unable to use the system. Also, if several people are using computer, they would get on Soldat under the name of the game owner since they're using the same client.
I think the only proper way would be a simple login & password system.
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Re: [reborn] Friends Search/List
« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2009, 11:07:55 pm »
Lobby chat was coded pretty nicely, and as far as I know final version is pretty bugless.
It is well-coded indeed, but after implementation and released as 1.5.0, practically no one uses the lobby chat. Everyone just plays in their usual servers and trusts that their friends would be there.

About "lobby chat being flawless", due to lack of people in it, I'm not sure if the lobby chat would still automatically scroll down when someone types in a new message when I'm looking at previous messages.

Either way, it doesn't really matter, the lobby chat was a failure. Everyone demanded for it, but never used it.

I thought of that too, but then what about unregged players? The point of friends system is to keep friends in touch. But if not everyone has bought (or even stole) the game, they'll still be unable to use the system. Also, if several people are using computer, they would get on Soldat under the name of the game owner since they're using the same client.
I think the only proper way would be a simple login & password system.
Unregged players don't deserve the free game in the first place. If you have any arguments on this, bring it to this thread: http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=35037.0;all

If players really wanted to keep in touch, as I have stressed, naturally they'll ask for the email address and so on. Otherwise, they'll just go to that server more frequently, or don't bother at all. People join a game to PLAY, not to TALK. The talking part is just an extra, and if you really want to talk more than you want to play, go join an IRC or something, or join another game whereby its lobby is always filled with people.

As for account system...

I've searched an old topic. Read:
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=5480.0
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Re: [reborn] Friends Search/List
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2009, 07:32:23 am »
Here are some points I want to bring up...I read everyone's posts so don't worry.

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Email Log-In ~ Similar to the Playstation Network / Xbox Live system. When you start up Soldat a pop-up would ask for your email address and password. To have a quick system, there would be a "remember me" check box for quick log-ins.

Profiles ~ This system is already in place but not for registered users. If it were for all users, it could make a friends system very easy. Players could have a customisable nickname but one name that wouldn't change.

IP Addresses ~ A bad idea to use IP addresses because as someone said, it changes regularly.

"Your friend has changed names" ~ New suggestion. You save that player's nick into the program and when he/she changes their names, the game updates your friends list automatically. However, people could have identical nicks which could cause problems.

Unique nicknames ~ To answer the above, nicks should not be identical. This is where email addresses come in. They are unique.

Response to "adding new features isn't good" ~ Get over it. Bugs occur whether you like it or not.

PLAY not TALK (STM's post) ~ That's what I'm suggesting. Not for talking, but for playing.

Hah - I tried to find my friend online and was contacting him through MSN but it ultimately failed. We had trouble hosting our own game and when I tried to contact him through MSN, he had Soldat fullscreen which blocked all alert sounds, etc. Funny that, hey?

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Geez...I said a lot in that post. Well I hope you find something to comment on lol.
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Re: [reborn] Friends Search/List
« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2009, 01:06:18 pm »
practically no one uses the lobby chat. Everyone just plays in their usual servers and trusts that their friends would be there.

I dont think "trust" is the case. From my experience - I join soldat to play a game, not to chat. For that I have separate programs like ICQ and MSN. And most of my soldat friends are using those too, so for me and them there wasnt need for lobby chat, even though it is annoying to have a bunch of chat programs.

Sometimes "usual servers" are empty, and I dont feel like waiting for people, or simply wanna play on a different server. In this case I would like to know if anyone else is online and playing somewhere. This way I could join them on their server, or call them to find a new one together.

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Either way, it doesn't really matter, the lobby chat was a failure. Everyone demanded for it, but never used it.
If you look at this thread: http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=16894.0
You'll notice that there were doubts about Lobby Chat from the very first comment. And some of those who supported it, hoped that it would work like IRC, but really it turned out very limited in features like limited number of channels you could connect to, which (IMO) is what ruined it.

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Unregged players don't deserve the free game in the first place. If you have any arguments on this, bring it to this thread: http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=35037.0;all
I'm not saying this feature should be free just to make unregged users feel better. I'll repeat,
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The point of friends system is to keep friends in touch. But if not everyone has bought (or even stole) the game, they'll still be unable to use the system.
If this feature isnt available for everyone from the start, it'll die just like Lobby Chat.

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If players really wanted to keep in touch, as I have stressed, naturally they'll ask for the email address and so on. Otherwise, they'll just go to that server more frequently, or don't bother at all. People join a game to PLAY, not to TALK. The talking part is just an extra, and if you really want to talk more than you want to play, go join an IRC or something, or join another game whereby its lobby is always filled with people.
I think you're slightly confusing friends list with lobby chat. I aggree that people join a game to play, not talk. But friends system will help them play with players they KNOW, not random screaming whining noobs. Even on the usual servers. And that without having to msn/irc/xfire them and never get a reply anyway because well.. they're ingame.

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As for account system...
I've searched an old topic. Read:
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=5480.0
The account system suggested there is far more complex than what friends list needs. They're talking about stat tracking, ranks, etc. Not to mention the fact that you cant get into a game without logging in. Of course that would scare many people away.


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Re: [reborn] Friends Search/List
« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2009, 09:37:15 pm »
You'd still need to log in as long as you use an account system though, even if it is a relatively simple one. Other than that, I can't argue, but I don't believe this feature would be coming up anytime soon.

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Re: [reborn] Friends Search/List
« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2009, 09:56:44 pm »
You'd still need to log in as long as you use an account system though, even if it is a relatively simple one. Other than that, I can't argue, but I don't believe this feature would be coming up anytime soon.
Simply entering a login and password isn't gonna kill anyone, especially if there is a "remember me" feature. It can also be used to protect your profile (i mean custom profiles that regged users have) from a noob kid brother. ;O
But you're right about "it wont be coming anytime soon". There arent many suggestions that ever make it in the new versions. And considering the amount of bugs soldat still has, we dont need any right now. :|


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Re: [reborn] Friends Search/List
« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2009, 11:54:19 pm »
As long as this is considered for a future Soldat, I'm happy.
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