1 versus 1 Map - Maya Themed

[DarkCrusade]

I recently found out that 1 versus 1 matches are very nice to play Since there are not that many really pretty looking maps for this subgamemode I wanted to create something unique. With a sudden the idea came up to me to do a maya themed map with a temple hanging in the air, platforms and much vegetation in the for and background. Maybe a waterfall? Well, that are just things looking good for the eye. I need some layout suggestions for this map




I worked a bit on it and like you are able to see there are other colors now and I added the temple top left.

[scarface09]

Looks good, although I'd like to see something in the bottom left corner too. Looks a bit too plain there.

[DarkCrusade]

I have put there a stone (you can flow there, but with some cover).



I worked the map over. Some changes at vertice colors, I added scenery and stuff. Added the spawns, too. First downloadable version in this post as attachment

[tehsnipah]

Holy mother fu-....... It's seriously amazing man.

[DarkCrusade]

Actually I made another good looking map that will have fucking bad gameplay Will need to do a lot of testing (maybe somebody could help? )

[By-qh0st]

I have put there a stone (you can flow there, but with some cover).



I worked the map over. Some changes at vertice colors, I added scenery and stuff. Added the spawns, too. First downloadable version in this post as attachment

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woww veryy good map

[DarkCrusade]

Thanks, some changes and I´ll release it finally

[scarface09]

Looks very good DarkCrusade! Your map making skills have improved since I first saw you start. Looks like a great kick ass map and you listened to my idea and it looks better!

[Centurion]

Ugly IMO.

Looks too overdone.

[DarkCrusade]

Ugly IMO.

Looks too overdone.

I could say now gtfo sucker, but I won´t. I think your opinion is interesting for me Why does it look ugly / overdone?

[Centurion]

That scenery as the background is too bright and too colorful. That's why.

[DarkCrusade]

Well, I made this map on my laptop, it might appear too bright or too dark. I will overwork it on my regular pc and release it then

[p0ppin]

I think you just have contrast issues here, thats all.  The dark building/temple structure contrasts a lot with the green trees and sunny skies, and at the same time, orange and that green seem to contrast eachother as well.  Might have to fiddle around with colors/opacity I think

[DarkCrusade]

I am working on it right now Thanks to you all, you helped me a lot.

[DarkCrusade]

Scenery details are near zero. It's just a big disturbing shiet in the middle of map.
"Sun" makes it look like the forest is on fire and trees aren't normally that colorful.
And you can hardly see any polygons there - Don't ruin your maps with cheap backgrounds.

Well, I said I am working on it right now.

[DarkCrusade]

This is no suggestion. This is actually spam. I can take much critique but you are sometimes very annoying to be honest. Why should I, the HELL, delete all scenery? I said I am working on it currently, wait please for my next update.

[DarkCrusade]

I am currently working on a version with less scenery in the background just so you know. If others think too, that a filled background is ugly I will consider about removing it, but you are alone right now, everyone else thinks it is (mostly) good the way I had it in v1.

[Grimbad]

I actually really liked the scenery the way it was. Very pretty, and had a nice depth to it, too. Maybe just put the glow behind the trees to look more like a sunset.

[scarface09]

Wth, don't delete the scenery!! That's the bloody key feature of this map. Without that the map looks so plain and weird. It gives that effect of a really detailed and appealing deathmatch map. Key aspect, it looks really bad without it, pathetic constructive criticism imo.

[DarkCrusade]

Great then, I´ll release it today or tommorow then

[jerich]

I like default looking maps and putting mass scenery in the background just seems like a shortcut to over-acceserizing your map. And the fact that it probably be unplayable where you will have plenty of trouble being able to see anything. I guess the overview might be appealing to some, but the gameplay would not be any good imo.

[scarface09]

Well I'm sick and tired of playing the same maps...we need new ones with different looks and different style of play.

[Suowarrior]

I like default looking maps and putting mass scenery in the background just seems like a shortcut to over-acceserizing your map. And the fact that it probably be unplayable where you will have plenty of trouble being able to see anything. I guess the overview might be appealing to some, but the gameplay would not be any good imo.

Agreed. Such bg is just a shortcut to make overview pic sexy. Though you probably knew, I'd say that

[DarkCrusade]

Agreed. Such bg is just a shortcut to make overview pic sexy. Though you probably knew, I'd say that

Well, yes, I knew you´d say that Suow I made 3 versions of the map. One with much scenery in the background, one filled to the middle and one with less scenery.

Well I'm sick and tired of playing the same maps...we need new ones with different looks and different style of play.

That´s why I keep making maps for subgamemodes. If there are no new maps it gets boring, really boring, and then the players quit the gamemode.

I like default looking maps and putting mass scenery in the background just seems like a shortcut to over-acceserizing your map. And the fact that it probably be unplayable where you will have plenty of trouble being able to see anything. I guess the overview might be appealing to some, but the gameplay would not be any good imo.

All maps with such background are playable if the map creator was actually smart enough not to blend the players. The sun in the background changed now due to changes on the opacity and layerwork. For the reason that some like the maps with filled background and with less of that kind I made 3 versions like I said before.



Here are my 3 versions of the map:

[jerich]

I like default looking maps and putting mass scenery in the background just seems like a shortcut to over-acceserizing your map. And the fact that it probably be unplayable where you will have plenty of trouble being able to see anything. I guess the overview might be appealing to some, but the gameplay would not be any good imo.

All maps with such background are playable if the map creator was actually smart enough not to blend the players. The sun in the background changed now due to changes on the opacity and layerwork. For the reason that some like the maps with filled background and with less of that kind I made 3 versions like I said before.

I guess you might call it playable, but it could be untolerable. For instance, take poppin's Stardrop map. Even his had less scenery than yours and just his stars caused such a nuisance in the visuals amongst the players. Such small scenery caused a problem. Now, let's take yours on the grand scale.

My point is, if you're using scenery that big, the opacity should be light, I mean REALLY light. When the scenery becomes the focal point of the map, especially in that huge size, it just becomes too distracting. All 3 of your versions would just be a headache to play on.

[smiluu]

3rd version is best.

[As de Espada]

3rd is the best for me too

[scarface09]

3rd does seem best...

[Boots]

I don't really like the map overall. Its looks like it would be very boring in gameplay, and it isn't even that great to look at.

[DarkCrusade]

I guess you might call it playable, but it could be untolerable. For instance, take poppin's Stardrop map. Even his had less scenery than yours and just his stars caused such a nuisance in the visuals amongst the players. Such small scenery caused a problem. Now, let's take yours on the grand scale.

My point is, if you're using scenery that big, the opacity should be light, I mean REALLY light. When the scenery becomes the focal point of the map, especially in that huge size, it just becomes too distracting. All 3 of your versions would just be a headache to play on.

Stardrops major problem was that the stars were blending other players. I didn´t use a light white for my sun and the opacity is at 30 right now in the first version. The other 3 versions don´t have any suns, just sunbeams. If I actually changed the opacity of the trees on the map it would look plain horrible. Imagine the overlapping ... Other than that the other 2 versions don´t focus on scenery, I won´t release a map without any scenery just to let you know due to the fact that I used just about 50 scenery objects for the first version ...

Well, it´s your opinion. I won´t try to tell you what to think. I just want to make sure that you understand my point of view

I don't really like the map overall. Its looks like it would be very boring in gameplay, and it isn't even that great to look at.

Without any playtest you are not in position to judge about the gameplay. Try to upload it to a server and do some playtesting and tell me what´s up with gameplay and I will do what I am able to to make gameplay better.

[As de Espada]

playtesting is not the only way to judge
just calm down, and maybe add a little island on the lower left

[DarkCrusade]

Did I seem to be angry? No way dude I wasn angry at all Well, actually there is an island n the lower left corner .... maybe add one in the sky? Maybe a bridge? Or a temple entry in the lower right corner leading to the top?

[smiluu]

Did I seem to be angry? No way dude I wasn angry at all Well, actually there is an island n the lower left corner .... maybe add one in the sky? Maybe a bridge? Or a temple entry in the lower right corner leading to the top?

No...You seem'd uneasy and frustrated and it's hard to talk to you.
Frankly, I think all maps that has veg sceneries looks like theyre made by same mapper.

Jerich tried to describe in details that what I said a bit rudely.
But.. Since you're a little bit dumb, opinions doesn't really reach you
no madder how they're been expressed.

Incase if your willing to hear me now this is all you need:
No backgrounds, no eyesores, no vegs and first of all better layout design.

As it is now, I think this map is hopeless.

[Blue-ninja]

As a 1vs1 match, it's really nothing new and special--that middle part of the map is really lacking polyislands.

A complete layout overhaul that retains all the current special map features; buildings, sun, vegetation, etc is a good way to go.

So as it is, all three versions of this map is just decent eye candy. Pretty atmospheric too, what with the sun rays and all.

It's not too shabby

[DarkCrusade]

No...You seem'd uneasy and frustrated and it's hard to talk to you.
Frankly, I think all maps that has veg sceneries looks like theyre made by same mapper.

Jerich tried to describe in details that what I said a bit rudely.
But.. Since you're a little bit dumb, opinions doesn't really reach you
no madder how they're been expressed.

Incase if your willing to hear me now this is all you need:
No backgrounds, no eyesores, no vegs and first of all better layout design.

As it is now, I think this map is hopeless.

If you say now "no offense, but ..." I will kill you

As it is now, I think this map is hopeless.

Then get your ass out of this topic.



Well, the layout is really nothing special. Yes, the map is mostly eyecandy. Don´t offend me please.

As a 1vs1 match, it's really nothing new and special--that middle part of the map is really lacking polyislands.

A complete layout overhaul that retains all the current special map features; buildings, sun, vegetation, etc is a good way to go.

So as it is, all three versions of this map is just decent eye candy. Pretty atmospheric too, what with the sun rays and all.

It's not too shabby

Adding polyislands is a good idea. I thought that I could add a temple entrance in the lower right corner that leads to the middle top or the lower left corner, but I am not sure about that. If I work more on this maps there will be less eyecatching scenery in the background.

[As de Espada]

that tunnel would ruin the x1 thing, too much space for running

[DarkCrusade]

Smiluu, understand that I do things for people who like it. You are not forced to play this map nor Soldat.

that tunnel would ruin the x1 thing, too much space for running

I figured out you are right, I´ll add polyislands.

[scarface09]

Update it and show us

[DarkCrusade]

Update it and show us

Well, here it is Version #4 is out! I added the island in the middle, worked on the basic structure of the polygons (bugs and stuff) and on the scenery. The map is now bigger, needs final texture stretching and eventually more jets but first of all I want to know what you think of it right now

[Illuminatus]

- less trees in the background / increase colour transparency / smaller trees
- make two instead of three platforms on the right (D)
- the diagonal brace doesn't fit imo (C)
- (A) looks unfinished / unintended
- on (B): if you look to the right and walk left...you can't
- (E) make it solid (so you can walk on it)
- (F) confuses you because even after some time you still think you could walk on it (it's the reflex experienced players have: you see the solid ground and automatically want to roll)

[DarkCrusade]

Thank you very much, I will update the map soon

[As de Espada]

I would make C like a smaller version of A

[DarkCrusade]

I would make C like a smaller version of A

I got to change A anyway, lets see what it will be like