Why doe people hate campers and spawn killers?

[Shmack.]

I don't hate campers or spawn killers, yet alot of people seem to. When I think of these 2 things, I know it's part of the game, especially in inf.

I got called 'the biggest noob ever' for camping in my base, in inf. I told them it's bravos job, he told me bravos job is to return the flag. Hmm.

I occasionaly spawn kill, not for the sake of statistics, but if I know I'm doing something right, I will do it.  Eg. I am alpha, on inf, flag carrier is running, people are spawning, I will kill those people spawning. Yet, tim after tim I'm called a noob for doing this.

Why is doing these two things wrong?

[Hootie hoo]

Well, I like camping to defend the flag, and in INF it's good to have at least 1 Bravo doing so, but I just hate it otherwise because it's just cheap.

[echo_trail]

I don't mind camping, as long as it's not too much. You czan camp all you want in your own base - it's great tactical defence. But spawncamping, that's just irritating. You gotta give the enemy a chance to move out. the same goes for spawnKILLING. There is, however, in one scenario I'd say spawncamping/killing is allright. When you're ffc has just capped the flag. I think your allowed to clear out the peremiter until he's away and safe.

The way I see it, as soon as you give the enemy a 'choice'*, it's no longer spawncamping. The thing about sending a reign of bullets down on they spawnpoint all the time is just lame, and slightly fascistic, really It's just not fun..

*If you camp routa A, no matter how close to their base, it isn't spawncamping. Enemy doesn't HAVE to taek route A, they could always just go trhough route B

[swebonny]

I dont have any problems with campers...but i really dont like spawnkillers.

Why? Yes becuse if 4 players spawnkills then its almost impossible to get out of base. Specially if like 3 is m79 and 1 barret...

[Hootie hoo]

For spawnkillers/spawncampers, just backflip and go as fast as you can in any random direction. =P Works for me.

[Demonic]

Because if you spawn kill continously, it takes the fun out of the game. When you're dying, you're not playing, right? No fun.

And camping can be tactical, but it's pretty weak. It's much more effective to sit on grenade packs with Mp5, so you can nade attackers in the face: and it's also easier to chase a flag carrier with a gun like that than with barret.

[maucer]

i hate spawnkillers, also normally caping isnt bad but spawncamp and camping by the white flag in infs, i hate those.

[Sotija]

Spawnkilling is lame..I dont see any Reason to hate camping

[Ville]

because its annoying

[Twistkill]

I hate camping when it's too much, like of there's like 3 or more people camping in their own base in a CTF, it gets irritating, but if bravo camps on INF, I don't mind too much. Even then, I usually like to defend on INF then attack. Hell, even when I'm playing on Bravo, I usually patrol the middle instead of camp.

Spawn killing/camping is beyond annoying, it's downright cheap. You need to give the team a chance to move out of the damn base first. I absolutely despise it.

[Iridescent]

Spawnkilling is the most annoying tactic I've seen. You spawn, you die. No chance to live. In soldat you luckily have a chance, but in Ghost Recon (where they do it a lot) you can't jump up 3 metres and gun everywhere.

Camping however is an awesome tactic. I'm a semi-user of it and it benefits me quite a lot.
I get annoyed by other campers, but I get annoyed everytime I die, killed by campers is just another way to die.

[Mr. Domino]

Camping's annoying at times but fine -- you can control how many people get sent into a camper(s)'s sight to overwhelm and take them out, plus you can always attempt to bink them. On the other hand, having a team keep killing you before you get a chance to fight back is cheap. Spawnkilling doesn't allow any real time at all to retaliate, and all the distance one-hit weapons have a charge up time that will ensure you're dead before you can get a shot off.

Would 4:9 teams be fair? No, and you'd probably complain about the uneven teams. Spawnkilling accomplishes the same, which makes it impossible to have a balanced and fair game.

Because if you spawn kill continously, it takes the fun out of the game. When you're dying, you're not playing, right? No fun.

This too.

[Death MachineX350]

SpawnCamping-Not OK
EnemyBaseCamping-Not Ok
Camping any where else-OK

[Gold]

Spawn killin' the enemy base is the noobiest act in soldat (apart from hacking) and campin' in your own base is alright, and so is camping everywhere else except enemy base.

[{AFRO}BlackPowerFi]

Camping is gay, cant stand it and usually campers always double up as spawnkillers...and when you tell them there camping they say "F*** off im waiting for the flag" Then when teammates see you camping and rackin kills they start with you...then another, and another till eventually we got the whole team going defensive. Which in turn causes arguments and creates a disturbance of the game...Some servers allow camping, some dont and WILL ban you for it. Either way your borderlining the rules.

[Shmack.]

I find it easy to get out of dieing from spawn-campers, I just flip out from the spawn. Or, I call for help? I don't understand why you all hate it really...

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

Campers in Enemy Base - That's fine, it's part of the game.
Campers in Your Base - Tactically effective, but it shouldn't be necessary.
Spawnkillers - Again, tactically effective, but unfair to the other team.

There's not much I hate more than running into my base with the flag (especially on ctf_Viet), only to get sniped by a camper, who then returns the flag.  While it works, it's cheap and it defeats the purpose of the game.

People hate campers and spawnkillers for the same reason they hate one hit kill weapons.  In a game of competition, it's frustrating when there is none.  I think human reaction time is something like .16 seconds, but there's nothing you can do about one hit kills you don't know about, and .16 seconds is still enough time to for automatics to take a chunk of health and induce serious bink.

Since you're now at a disadvantage, your skills don't come into play.  That's why people think camping is n00bish: The camper isn't as skilled as you, so he's trying to bring you down to his level.  Again, it's tactically effective, and technically a good strategy, but I admit it's frustrating.

[MofoNofo]

Camping works in clanwars when your ffc needs backup.

[Twistkill]

Camping works in clanwars when your ffc needs backup.

It's good in every CTF match. Unfortunately, most public servers don't have too many people who are really good players and know about tactical gameplay like what you said. Fortunately, the U13 CTF is a good public server with *mostly* good players and not noobs you find in "normal" public servers.

[Mr. Domino]

There's not much I hate more than running into my base with the flag (especially on ctf_Viet), only to get sniped by a camper, who then returns the flag.  While it works, it's cheap and it defeats the purpose of the game.

"Defeats the purpose of the game?" The game is Capture the Flag, which includes returning the flag as part of that. The fact that you were not able to hold onto the flag until able to score or your team was not able to keep your base clean is not the fault of the returner. Sure, it's annoying to be picked off by a camper, especially after captures requiring lots of effort, but that's the game and there's nothing wrong with that. Alerting your team to the FFC location to provide cover and being wary of typical camping spots is the best defense against losing the flag that way.