Can't afford BattlEye

[LORD KILLA]

Well, lets collect and add the ideas before maybe. Someone should open up a post for that...

Anyway, the SGAS project maybe will safe our asses:
If BE would get removed, servers will lose protection. The new account system in 1.5.1 (portal) fixes every player, so if he gets banned once, he's pretty much forever. BUT: only on one server, and that sucks. SGAS would allow sharing the bans list as 'Global', so each server may make profits of it, having the banned TagIDs. (One server detects cheat: adds to global bans list: all other servers have him banned also). A problem of this globalization: When a server maker doesnt like one guy and bans him (he didn't do anything bad!), he will be banned everywhere... We should make some kinda 'trusted bans sources'. Only trusted servers would be able to globaly ban some TagID. Other non-trusted yet may request that trust mode also. Cool, or not ?
(After I may finish up my zombie script, I will try to do that as a script)

[zakath]

Well, lets collect and add the ideas before maybe. Someone should open up a post for that...

Anyway, the SGAS project maybe will safe our asses:
If BE would get removed, servers will lose protection. The new account system in 1.5.1 (portal) fixes every player, so if he gets banned once, he's pretty much forever. BUT: only on one server, and that sucks. SGAS would allow sharing the bans list as 'Global', so each server may make profits of it, having the banned TagIDs. (One server detects cheat: adds to global bans list: all other servers have him banned also). A problem of this globalization: When a server maker doesnt like one guy and bans him (he didn't do anything bad!), he will be banned everywhere... We should make some kinda 'trusted bans sources'. Only trusted servers would be able to globaly ban some TagID. Other non-trusted yet may request that trust mode also. Cool, or not ?
(After I may finish up my zombie script, I will try to do that as a script)

this already exists, though only for the competive scene. but me and ramirez has been discussing and if BE gets removed it will be quite likely extended to cover public servers as well.

[-Major-]

can't the banned person just make a new account? :p

[Leo]

can't the banned person just make a new account? :p

Indeed he can, since soldat is a free game this doesn't work really. Works for Steam where you have to pay to get a new ID.

[PANTERA]

Soldat need gathers, tournaments and public servers, in the same amount. Most of all it needs advertisement, not only to mantain BE, but most of all to get new players.

EDIT: Of course BE must be paid by MM himself through ads on soldat.pl sites and donations. It's so far the most practicable road to get soldat almost hacker-free. Increase dev team size would be just fine but imho is so important as long as Enesce will not solve 0fps bug in short period.

[-Major-]

I wouldn't be surprised if soldat is completely dead withing 2-3 years (or maybe less).
so thinking about opensourcing it now might be a good idea, opensourcing it when the game has started to die out will probably not give it new life, but just fadeaway (cuz the old players have no interest in it (it's these people who would code it)).

[Veritas]

by ensece.com
btw: The beta end is getting closer and closer every day, it is vital that all critcal bugs get fixed before release[...]so it is pretty important that you let me know if you have any bugs occur with the update.

seems that main work is done. gogo, cause account system is that what can replace be

Notice that that quote is from February 8th.

[MorlanV]

I am thinking of donating 50 bucks

[biohazard]

I wouldn't be surprised if soldat is completely dead withing 2-3 years (or maybe less).
so thinking about opensourcing it now might be a good idea, opensourcing it when the game has started to die out will probably not give it new life, but just fadeaway (cuz the old players have no interest in it (it's these people who would code it)).

Soldat is already dead we all are justing kicking this dead body...

[The Bone Collector]

What the heck ? BE can't be removed, it will destroy the game with all these hacks around. This MUST be solved through donations.

What are you talking about? There are still hacks around, Battle-Eye stops nothing!
Save your cash MM, spend it on something worthwhile (and something that WORKS).

[Mercury92]

What the heck ? BE can't be removed, it will destroy the game with all these hacks around. This MUST be solved through donations.

What are you talking about? There are still hacks around, Battle-Eye stops nothing!
Save your cash MM, spend it on something worthwhile (and something that WORKS).

Yes it stops. I rarely see hackers on public even if I do then 1 time a month.

[ElephantHunter]

MM, you're shooting yourself in the foot. Put the burden on the server owners. They have incentive to pay. In fact, many server owners have already stated they're happy to pay. It's the only sustainable route, and the one that makes the most sense.

Website ads will just spell the end of Soldat. You will just lose your indie developer coolness, and then your source of revenue (new players.)

[$able]

A few euros per month per server (not per IP). However I will only continue support if there are a lot of requests, otherwise it's just not worth it.

So if you are interested, please let me know here.

[zakath]

A few euros per month per server (not per IP). However I will only continue support if there are a lot of requests, otherwise it's just not worth it.

So if you are interested, please let me know here.

Are there any chance to negotiate some kind of "wholesale" price for example I have 16 servers that ppl borrow for playing clanwars what kind of fees would be involved in getting them covered. is there any chance to have a basic and a premium protection? for example on generic/heuristic protection in the basic one and include gamehacks and such in the premium one?

[LORD KILLA]

Are there any chance to negotiate some kind of "wholesale" price for example I have 16 servers that ppl borrow for playing clanwars what kind of fees would be involved in getting them covered. is there any chance to have a basic and a premium protection? for example on generic/heuristic protection in the basic one and include gamehacks and such in the premium one?

kinda good idea, but the servers would have to pay a monthly price, and that will also incrase the monthly pirces for the guys who rent the server -> Less servers. Also players would only join the 'premium' servers, and then less new servers and less new good mod ideas would come new -> Less popular soldat...
Quick sugesiton only...

[zakath]

Are there any chance to negotiate some kind of "wholesale" price for example I have 16 servers that ppl borrow for playing clanwars what kind of fees would be involved in getting them covered. is there any chance to have a basic and a premium protection? for example on generic/heuristic protection in the basic one and include gamehacks and such in the premium one?

kinda good idea, but the servers would have to pay a monthly price, and that will also incrase the monthly pirces for the guys who rent the server -> Less servers. Also players would only join the 'premium' servers, and then less new servers and less new good mod ideas would come new -> Less popular soldat...
Quick sugesiton only...

Well I host 50+ servers having them all covered by BE would be quite steep.

[Ox*r0x]

well, i host for free 20+ servers, so its kinda bullshit if i need to play after i'm giving a free service for the community.

i think the main error here was:

- Free game cant have payed services. its just NOT possible to survive on it (200 euros / month LOL)
- Maybe if soldat was not sticked to 1/2 coders this never happened.

[Sauron]

What about to release source code of Soldat 1.3.1 or some older one. It can be good oppurtunity for random programmers around the community to see how the game what they play for so long time works. And yes, Soldat 1.5.1 release day was postponed to 21 of July 2013. Stay tuned!

[$able]

Are there any chance to negotiate some kind of "wholesale" price for example I have 16 servers that ppl borrow for playing clanwars what kind of fees would be involved in getting them covered. is there any chance to have a basic and a premium protection? for example on generic/heuristic protection in the basic one and include gamehacks and such in the premium one?

Not planned. You should pass on fees to those that rent the server from you.

From: April 27, 2010, 12:19:05 pm

kinda good idea, but the servers would have to pay a monthly price, and that will also incrase the monthly pirces for the guys who rent the server -> Less servers. Also players would only join the 'premium' servers, and then less new servers and less new good mod ideas would come new -> Less popular soldat...
Quick sugesiton only...

Life is hard sometimes, isn't it? Sorry, but if you want something, you have to pay for it. I guess you aren't or won't be working for free either, just out of good will? I am not trying to be mean or anything, but that's just the plain truth.

[ElephantHunter]

The server/player ratio is excessively high at the moment. Many of those servers remain empty for the majority of the day. While I'm sure 10-25% of servers are quite popular, cutting down on the unused portion should easily pay for the BE service.