Can't afford BattlEye

[$able]

well, i host for free 20+ servers, so its kinda bulls**t if i need to play after i'm giving a free service for the community.

i think the main error here was:

- Free game cant have payed services. its just NOT possible to survive on it (200 euros / month LOL)
- Maybe if soldat was not sticked to 1/2 coders this never happened.

That's why I openly announced 1.5 years ago that I am doing business with BE now and I either have to leave Soldat or get paid for it. And by the way, after I negotiated with MM, I didn't ask for payment for one more year - he only paid for half a year now. And yes, he could afford it, as he made quite some revenue from Soldat regs in the past. Just recently things changed because, as he told me, sales dropped greatly.

It's NOT unfair. It's quite funny that a great part of the community seems to think that they have a natural right to BE and that I am just greedy. The fact is, you don't. Yea, hate me for it and cry, but that's just how it is.

[Sauron]

After many years of developing he deserves some money from his work and ofc he has made good job with adding BE into Soldat for free for one or two years. If there gonna be some kind of ingame advertising first of all fix bugs to avoid status for soldat as "Buggy game with *** adversts" However adverts will only annoy newcomers as well.

[Ox*r0x]

well, in past we had MM AntiHack protections and cheaters, atm we have BE and cheaters. Difference is: he must to pay MORE to have less cheaters on it.

I wont keep my servers if we need to pay you, sable, soz. not even i pay that much for my WHOLE network, not even HALF of it. lol.

IF enesce and MM want, i bet there is a couple of a good coders that could help in the addiction of a good ANTIHACK for soldat, without paying this huge ammount of money.

Other thing i cant understand is why he need to pay monthly to have a lobby server. Maybe he could explain it.

[ElephantHunter]

*sigh*

Obviously you won't have to pay the entire 200 euros every month alone. It would be divided between all Soldat server owners, probably as a monthly service.

[Ox*r0x]

i know, but im giving free services for the community. whats the point of paying for having my own server and then, paying for the free service that im giving?

[$able]

i know, but im giving free services for the community. whats the point of paying for having my own server and then, paying for the free service that im giving?

So why do you even pay for the server hosting service then? You sound like you will be forced to use and pay for BE.

From: April 27, 2010, 01:24:32 pm

Other thing i cant understand is why he need to pay monthly to have a lobby server. Maybe he could explain it.

He rents a dedicated server from FLAB that he's using for all of his stuff.

[Ox*r0x]

lol? i said i have a NETWORK, i never said i have the server because soldat.

i run several servers and other soldat services (some being coded) for free. Whats the point of making me pay for a service that i give for free?

[Fubister]

as far as I'm concerned, someone has already mentioned about monthy payments from server owners, 'bigger things' like soldatserver selfkill ec nasoldat and such probably would handle it and they would pay regularly, but how about other who have their own VPS/dedicated server or such, imo there would be a situation where those guys would say 'I don't have any money now can i pay tomorrow or in 2 days..' or they just wouldn't pay at all. What I'm trying to say is, what will happend if we (those 4 organizations) won't reach that amount of money? cuz someone who has declared himself to pay, just stopped paying.

[$able]

as far as I'm concerned, someone has already mentioned about monthy payments from server owners, 'bigger things' like soldatserver selfkill ec nasoldat and such probably would handle it and they would pay regularly, but how about other who have their own VPS/dedicated server or such, imo there would be a situation where those guys would say 'I don't have any money now can i pay tomorrow or in 2 days..' or they just wouldn't pay at all. What I'm trying to say is, what will happend if we (those 4 organizations) won't reach that amount of money? cuz someone who has declared himself to pay, just stopped paying.

For the server owner payment model, everyone would pay the same fixed amount. The 200 euros from MM alone has nothing to do with this.

From: April 27, 2010, 01:41:36 pm

lol? i said i have a NETWORK, i never said i have the server because soldat.

i run several servers and other soldat services (some being coded) for free. Whats the point of making me pay for a service that i give for free?

You don't or is that network free of charge?

[Ox*r0x]

soldat should give a chance for devcommunity. they should say if they are able to create it or not. as far i know, opensoldat will probably have own anti-hack. why dont ENESCE and MM talk with some of the devteam to see if that is possible for soldat? or something that will work for both (probably wont fix).

i just dont think BE should be payed for a free game, since BE isnt reaching 100% (or even close) the goal.

Why dont you change the REGISTED SOLDAT parameters? making less options for NON-REGISTED and some extra cool and nice things for REGISTED SOLDAT? atm regtype is useless. 1 reg can be shared and everyone could use all features for free.

Another thing you should think is: Why openSoldat project was made? Soldat future is not only about BE.

[Veritas]

Whats the point of making me pay for a service that i give for free?

Then don't pay for it.

Gee, that was difficult.

[Ox*r0x]

yes, the network have bills to pay but.. we have several servers, we have our kind of organization, and im using part of the resources to give some help @ the community.

From: April 27, 2010, 01:48:30 pm

Whats the point of making me pay for a service that i give for free?

Then don't pay for it.

Gee, that was difficult.

duh, if i offer the service and i need to pay to have servers online, ofc i will close them all.

[Veritas]

duh, if i offer the service and i need to pay to have servers online, ofc i will close them all.

Where has anyone said it would be required?

[Ox*r0x]

duh, if i offer the service and i need to pay to have servers online, ofc i will close them all.

Where has anyone said it would be required?

i think the thing is: if you dont like my free services, dont use it. others like it.

[Veritas]

duh, if i offer the service and i need to pay to have servers online, ofc i will close them all.

Where has anyone said it would be required?

i think the thing is: if you dont like my free services, dont use it. others like it.

I don't think you understand: no one has said paying for BE is required, so I don't understand why you "need" to pay to have servers online.

[Sauron]

i just dont think BE should be payed for a free game, since BE isnt reaching 100% (or even close) the goal.

Thats a great idea, but if you are programming something for couple of years you want to get something back to you especially money.Soldat is free but BE isn`t. About openSoldat, I think that this project has it`s status atm "Maybe one day we are going to roll again"

[Ox*r0x]

i think BE is not the only way we have to solve this. im not saying SABLE effort is useless, ofc not.

[$able]

soldat should give a chance for devcommunity. they should say if they are able to create it or not. as far i know, opensoldat will probably have own anti-hack. why dont ENESCE and MM talk with some of the devteam to see if that is possible for soldat? or something that will work for both (probably wont fix).

i just dont think BE should be payed for a free game, since BE isnt reaching 100% (or even close) the goal.

Why dont you change the REGISTED SOLDAT parameters? making less options for NON-REGISTED and some extra cool and nice things for REGISTED SOLDAT? atm regtype is useless. 1 reg can be shared and everyone could use all features for free.

Another thing you should think is: Why openSoldat project was made? Soldat future is not only about BE.

With all respect, but creating a whole new (and great!) game is not something you do easily. It's hard work, ask MM. He's continuously working on LD for years now and still has a "long" road to go. Personally I think we will never see openSoldat being released. Just look at its current activity. It's like so many of these projects that are so very ambitious in the beginning - only wishful thinking and talking, but the result: nothing. This is not meant to offend those behind openSoldat, but that's just how I see it.

And no, Soldat is not a free game, otherwise MM couldn't live from it, could he? It's called shareware.

Besides, you are right, BE isn't reaching 100%, because it's simply not possible. If you think it sucks, then why do you feel so forced to use and pay for it?

[Ox*r0x]

Besides, you are right, BE isn't reaching 100%, because it's simply not possible. If you think it sucks, then why do you feel so forced to use and pay for it?

like i said, i though ALL SERVERS needed to PAY to have BE active running.

[$able]

like i said, i though ALL SERVERS needed to PAY to have BE active running.

No, you only get it if you pay for it. I said I won't continue support at all if there are too few requests.