Can't afford BattlEye

[Furai]

I'd go for more admins in servers.

[PANTERA]

get ads to pay for BE or screw it...
open source if it ads can't pay the bill.

so is not having BE or making server owners paying quite an amount for it, there will be some harm either way, we need to decide which way is less harmful than the other. I'd go for ads

Soldat was born free to play and will die free to play. Ads are the only solution to: get BE paid and have people do not pay for the game and server owners do not pay more than they're already paying. Every suggested solution has its pros and cons, but even if ads are annoying, they're are the only free-approach to the problem and to prefer some other method is just ridiculous. I doubt BE fee will increase on an increasing number of players, but ads & donations income will. People will not be discouraged by ads here and there and saying: "I stop playing because of ads". That's ridiculous too. Those who like Soldat will continue playing as they did during these years and will be HAPPY to support the game by only surfing on Soldat sites and clicking here and there.

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Or: just drop BE and increase dev team. There are a lot of good coders in soldat scene. Let's build a new anticheat system. Well, that's pretty hard of course and we'll undergo in new obscure times where hackers will reign and those few players will just play on gather/tournaments servers.

[Ox*r0x]

no one cares about ads on soldat.

[RafiPZ]

Can I assume that other anti cheat programs (Punkbuster, Gameguard) are more expensive/don't work as well?
Otherwise, why not look at these.

[ds dude]

Then what the hell do you want him to do.

The game is free, it will die eventually. Anything free will die out because the population of the game versus the cost outweighs itself.

When there's too many people who love the game but don't contribute then it outweighs how hard the developer has to work to maintain the game.

No money, no game. That's how business works.

[-Major-]

considering it's going to be pretty expensive to buy BE for every single server, i think the best solution is to install some ads that will pay the 200E/month price at site, forums, pop-up soldat window while running it

lmao, you're overreacting just a little bit on the advertisment part.

Ox*r0x, you're not entitled to free antihack measures, and shutting down your servers because you don't get it is incredibly, incredibly immature. I also doubt any of the powers that be really care if your servers stay up or not.

In short, stop being stupid.

it's not immature, he's hosting for free, so why would he pay to provide people with servers if he has to pay? NOBODY in the irc community will be playing on a server that doesn't have BE, so pretty much every free server provider will shutdown if they have to pay.

Can I assume that other anti cheat programs (Punkbuster, Gameguard) are more expensive/don't work as well?
Otherwise, why not look at these.

should be looked up.

[Mittsu]

considering it's going to be pretty expensive to buy BE for every single server, i think the best solution is to install some ads that will pay the 200E/month price at site, forums, pop-up soldat window while running it

lmao, you're overreacting just a little bit on the advertisment part.

i mean the pop up window that appears before you start soldat when you're not registered, there were ads about soldat stuff anyway

[$able]

Can I assume that other anti cheat programs (Punkbuster, Gameguard) are more expensive/don't work as well?
Otherwise, why not look at these.

should be looked up.

Forget it. They are WAY more expensive. And also, BE obviously costs a lot more in real commercial games. 200 euros is not much at all, even though it's appropriate for Soldat of course.

[-Major-]

Can I assume that other anti cheat programs (Punkbuster, Gameguard) are more expensive/don't work as well?
Otherwise, why not look at these.

should be looked up.

Forget it. They are WAY more expensive. And also, BE obviously costs a lot more in real commercial games. 200 euros is not much at all, even though it's appropriate for Soldat of course.

altho, they wouldn't fuck up a game for 6-8 months ;o, I guess quality costs money. personally if I cared for a game I would almost rather have it dead than having a poor anti cheat coder that has already fucked up the game twice (Enesce having to take the shit for it (the demo bug))...

[zakath]

Can I assume that other anti cheat programs (Punkbuster, Gameguard) are more expensive/don't work as well?
Otherwise, why not look at these.

should be looked up.

Forget it. They are WAY more expensive. And also, BE obviously costs a lot more in real commercial games. 200 euros is not much at all, even though it's appropriate for Soldat of course.

so if we come up with 200 euro / monthly we still get BE without / server cost or?

[Leo]

We need an official statement from sable about when and if BE will stop working or what's going to happen finally.

[$able]

altho, they wouldn't f**k up a game for 6-8 months ;o, I guess quality costs money. personally if I cared for a game I would almost rather have it dead than having a poor anti cheat coder that has already f**ked up the game twice (Enesce having to take the s**t for it (the demo bug))...

Obviously you know nothing regarding this.

1.) I didn't know about the bug for a very long time, because no one ever reported it to me.
2.) That bug was actually not BE's fault. BE rather showed a bug in Soldat. And no, that's no stupid excuse. I worked around it by using a different method to achieve the same.
3.) Not that it matters at all, but when this bug existed and also when I didn't work on BE at all for some time (due to more important RL stuff), I wasn't paid for it.

From: April 29, 2010, 09:29:25 am

We need an official statement from sable about when and if BE will stop working or what's going to happen finally.

Read my first post in this thread, a few pages back. BE will be turned off in the next few days.

From: April 29, 2010, 09:31:46 am

so if we come up with 200 euro / monthly we still get BE without / server cost or?

That was always the idea.

[Veritas]

When there's too many people who love the game but don't contribute then it outweighs how hard the developer has to work to maintain the game.

eC actively maintains the position of single developer, even though there are peopling willing and have tried to contribute to the development of Soldat.

it's not immature, he's hosting for free, so why would he pay to provide people with servers if he has to pay?

What's immature is refusing to consider alternatives while demanding free antihacking or he shuts down his servers.

NOBODY in the irc community will be playing on a server that doesn't have BE

We have in the past, so

[ramirez]

Assuming that we'll move to a model where server owners have to pay, what sort of a price we'd be talking about? I wouldn't mind paying for BE on per-server basis, but I'd probably only provide BE for more important servers (gathers, SCTFL official servers, my own servers etc). For people I host for free, I'd provide BE for them if they cover the fees of BE themselves (the server itself could still be free). All the gather+sctfl+my own servers I'd probably have around ~15 servers that I'd need BE for. What sort of a price would be talking about for that many servers $able?

[Veritas]

He said 2 Euros per server per month, no bulk discounts.

[Ox*r0x]

its different 200 euros / month for MM or 2 euros per server.

[Polifen]

I host 6 servers ( 5 for money and mine ), 2 euro per server is freaking much for me.

[Fubister]

I wouldn't hesitate to pay, if I would be sure that I can expect bigger improvement of that anti-cheat engine, since month there wasn't any update and there are only more cheaters, not saying update every week and 100% effectiveness cuz it's not really possible..

[$able]

I wouldn't hesitate to pay, if I would be sure that I can expect bigger improvement of that anti-cheat engine, since month there wasn't any update and there are only more cheaters, not saying update every week and 100% effectiveness cuz it's not really possible..

There haven't been any new cheats for months, so...?

Btw, I never said the price was going to be 2 euros. It's not final and I will decide if there are enough requests for BE (which I doubt).

[Mittsu]

so you would need around 100 servers buying BE for 2E to cover your needs

that leaves the ads the only possibility in this situation