Can't afford BattlEye

[Firebolt145]

I haven't played Soldat for a long time so I don't know if you get a lot of hackers in servers nowadays.

What I do know is that 90% of the old-school hackers that made BE necessary in the first place are no longer a problem. I haven't seen Coyote and Rev online at all for almost a year and most of the rest of us just moved on.

I'm sure you know what website I'm talking about and I can tell you that it's dead right now. The old hackers have left/grown up, no new people have come to take the mantle and us old geezers that still hang around talk about anything EXCEPT Soldat.

On one hand, you could stop using BE, save a ton of cash, and cross your fingers that the hackers are all gone.

On the other hand, you might find that all the script kiddies of old may come back to plague Soldat as much as it was back in 1.3.1.

[Fubister]

There haven't been any new cheats for months, so...?

you are so wrong here

http://www.sctfl.net/forums/index.php?topic=21645.0

not sure about rest of the people, but from that list at first:

Ap0Calypse (hacking)
Vendetta (hacking)

and actually I was the one who has spotted as first on gather servers, where later rest of admins/people just confirm it, and as far as I remember one of them has confirmed that he was hacking.

or http://www.sctfl.net/forums/index.php?topic=19701.0

where thanks to xurichs idea with audacity program we can see here faster brt reload

There were a few more situations like this, but I'm not going to post all that stuff in here cuz that's not the point, the point is that BE requires more updates, and that's where people get confused, when it comes to paying (for some it's a big amount of money) they expect good results.

[$able]

There were a few more situations like this, but I'm not going to post all that stuff in here cuz that's not the point, the point is that BE requires more updates, and that's where people get confused, when it comes to paying (for some it's a big amount of money) they expect good results.

I can only effectively counter things that I know about. Again, there were no new hacks released.
There is no such thing as 100% protection, if you expect that for something like 2 euros per month (or any other amount), you should better not rely on anyone, but instead do it yourself.

I am not going to praise BE, but I think it achieved good results most of the time, especially if you compare the situation to pre-BE times. It even contributed to a hacker community dying out (yes, it did, because this community always lived from Soldat hacks).

[Fubister]

that's what I said, there is nothing like 100% protection, and also we don't expect it, 2 euros indeed is a small ammount, in my situation and not only mine I have way more server to protect so overall I will pay lot more, besides it's not about 2 euro or 0,50 Euro, what is important, it's the overall amount that you will recive, no matter how many people will have to pay some amount.

[Firebolt145]

BE made a huge difference when it was introduced. It definitely did, no question about it.

The question is whether it would make much of a difference now if it stopped working. As $able said himself, the only major hack community has died. Without the hacking community, there is no need for a costly system to prevent hackers.

[demoniac93]

Just a year ago, I my memory hasn't gone to shit, the inf I community saw a huge wave of hackers running around; hacks still do get leaked every now and then.
So it's either each server for itself, or the community does something about it.

[Mittsu]

As $able said himself, the only major hack community has died. Without the hacking community, there is no need for a costly system to prevent hackers.

so what, we're going to enjoy soldat without hacks for 1-2 months until new hackers appear and then start worrying about it? Doesn't sound so good, and i'm sure soldat without protection will be tempting for some coders/losers to fuck with it

[$able]

BE made a huge difference when it was introduced. It definitely did, no question about it.

The question is whether it would make much of a difference now if it stopped working. As $able said himself, the only major hack community has died. Without the hacking community, there is no need for a costly system to prevent hackers.

The hacks are still out there, aren't they? The people using the hacks (cheaters) don't really care if there aren't so many active hackers anymore. Besides, people like Snowy are still updating their hacks.

The hackers (creators) and cheaters (users) will come back I'm sure, slowly but surely - the cheaters faster probably. That's just the logical consequence of things. New people will always come, especially if BE doesn't prevent them from doing their stuff anymore. The main reason the hacker community died is because there are no new public hacks anymore. And why is that? It's not just because the old people all moved on with their lives.

And btw, from internal data I know that they have never been gone at all. There are A LOT of people who constantly try to use their cheats on servers. And no, that's no propaganda, it's a fact.

[Sauron]

[CheeSeMan.]

the random BE crashes kicks for win7 would have to be fixed if we were paying per server.

[Spewer]

BE made a huge difference when it was introduced. It definitely did, no question about it.

The question is whether it would make much of a difference now if it stopped working. As $able said himself, the only major hack community has died. Without the hacking community, there is no need for a costly system to prevent hackers.

The hacks are still out there, aren't they? The people using the hacks (cheaters) don't really care if there aren't so many active hackers anymore. Besides, people like Snowy are still updating their hacks.

The hackers (creators) and cheaters (users) will come back I'm sure, slowly but surely - the cheaters faster probably. That's just the logical consequence of things. New people will always come, especially if BE doesn't prevent them from doing their stuff anymore. The main reason the hacker community died is because there are no new public hacks anymore. And why is that? It's not just because the old people all moved on with their lives.

And btw, from internal data I know that they have never been gone at all. There are A LOT of people who constantly try to use their cheats on servers. And no, that's no propaganda, it's a fact.

dont wanna loose your money, are you?

[Mittsu]

BE made a huge difference when it was introduced. It definitely did, no question about it.

The question is whether it would make much of a difference now if it stopped working. As $able said himself, the only major hack community has died. Without the hacking community, there is no need for a costly system to prevent hackers.

The hacks are still out there, aren't they? The people using the hacks (cheaters) don't really care if there aren't so many active hackers anymore. Besides, people like Snowy are still updating their hacks.

The hackers (creators) and cheaters (users) will come back I'm sure, slowly but surely - the cheaters faster probably. That's just the logical consequence of things. New people will always come, especially if BE doesn't prevent them from doing their stuff anymore. The main reason the hacker community died is because there are no new public hacks anymore. And why is that? It's not just because the old people all moved on with their lives.

And btw, from internal data I know that they have never been gone at all. There are A LOT of people who constantly try to use their cheats on servers. And no, that's no propaganda, it's a fact.

dont wanna loose your money, are you?

your quite an troll, do you?

[$able]

dont wanna loose your money, are you?

And no, that's no propaganda, it's a fact.

It's my personal opinion. As well as that I am sure that only very few will be willing to pay. Besides, I don't think many care about what I'm writing here.

[Fubister]

when can we expect not working BE?

[KeYDoN]

Hey Sable,
i dont think its gona work out to just collect requests and than set a price. Too many ppl would request BE and than just change their minds when they see the price for real. We really need you to set a price first. For maybe a half year. Afterwards you can check if it worked out or need to be adjusted or dropped at all.
We could continue flooding this thread for weeks, but i dont think it would help. You need to make things tangible.

From the very beginning not all ppl who think about paying for BE will do it, because some will need to see how it develops. So there needs to be a kind of transition period, where you will keep up your work at it. I see great people in this community, i see no reason why it should be stabbed and injured badly. Give it a real chance to fight.

And i dont understand why u block the bulk model that hard. Of course there is more money to earn with every nose paying, but still a hosting company could get more people into the boat with other ways than just reselling for you.

Still thank you for all the work you already put in BE!

[croat1gamer]

Lets ignore that BE has been there for, uh, how long?

[-Major-]

Assuming that we'll move to a model where server owners have to pay, what sort of a price we'd be talking about? I wouldn't mind paying for BE on per-server basis, but I'd probably only provide BE for more important servers (gathers, SCTFL official servers, my own servers etc). For people I host for free, I'd provide BE for them if they cover the fees of BE themselves (the server itself could still be free). All the gather+sctfl+my own servers I'd probably have around ~15 servers that I'd need BE for. What sort of a price would be talking about for that many servers $able?

I think he said 2 euros per server or so :o.

[EvorX]

"Btw, I never said the price was going to be 2 euros. It's not final and I will decide if there are enough requests for BE (which I doubt). "

[Leo]

I get this message today:
"(12:03:58) BattlEye Server: Could not connect to BE Master
(12:03:58) BattlEye Server: Update attempt failed"

[Centurion]

Leo, I think it's pretty much it.

Unless it has updated previous times successfully.