ctf_Empire

[darDar]

Hey guys i just made a map which is for
ctf 2on2
or
DM 1on1
TDM 2on2

well that are the things i prefer playing there currently



would be nice if you could give me some advices or if some one would make this "map" a map
thanks already now!
easily contact me here or contact me directly at IRC #darDar or /q darDar

[the halo fan]

flags are too close together

and maybe to much ice

pluse the name does not match that map's look

[DarkCrusade]

Top route is pointless, because the flag is low and the main goal. The idea of this map is pretty interesting, but maybe it would be better, if the middle part wasn't so odd and plain. Try something more original, flag spawns in middle part is nice, though.

@scenery usage: Never use such a big amount of clouds in front of everyone. It's just distracting the player and doesn't look that nice.

[Blue-ninja]

This can't even be considered a playable map.

Try harder next time, turn off snap to grid, avoid 'blocks' and 'ramps', and most of all, avoid spamming sceneries that has semi-transparency as it will really hurt the map fps-wise.

[the halo fan]

you guys sound like a mega hard judging squad lol

[Blacksheepboy]

Folks are giving serious critique dot dot dot

I'm not even sure darDar will ever come back to read this... but

darDar, ask yourself, "Why did I post this on a forums?" If the answer is, "Because I think this map is fun," look at the maps that come with Soldat. But, if the answer is "I don't know" then you've made progress.

edit

ugh. Delete all the clouds. I mean... I cannot even begin to say anything else about this scrapheap

How 'bout this. I have a question for you. "Are you seriously considering making maps for Soldat?" If so, I'll give you homework.

[the halo fan]

might wanna put a Temple in the center
and leave the clouds it look great but for less fps problems i guess you can lessen the amount of clouds.

[Blacksheepboy]

Translated to:

i like barf

[DarkCrusade]

you guys sound like a mega hard judging squad lol

So you think if he asks us what we think about his map we should act like it was the *ZOMGROFLMAO* best map we've seen in a lifetime? Critique is important to improve and the more opinions the better. It wasn't even you who was criticized ...

[zakath]

what I would do as attacker on this map is pick chainsaw slide low and cap like crazy and then have my teamates spraying the other team trying todo the same thing.

[squiddy]

what I would do as attacker on this map is pick chainsaw slide low and cap like crazy and then have my teamates spraying the other team trying todo the same thing.

Same.

DarDar, I get that you are trying to be original, but let's face it.

If this map comes as a Default, it will end in about 1Min of playing.

Like pretty much people said, it will be kind of pointless.

I liked the "Temple" idea, and it seems awesome.

Plus, there are waaaaay too many spawns for each team. Low them to 2-4 MAX.

Try pushing the flags away from each other, and it may be better.

Good luck

[machina]

This map haven't got any future...

[Horve]

this s**t is even worse than zakath's produce

and that's pretty damn bad.

[zakath]

this s**t is even worse than zakath's produce

and that's pretty damn bad.

says the guy who have never produced anything of worth at all.....

[Horve]

do you feel offended?

Perhaps you should go back to doing purposeless things, as you have been doing so far and leave mapping to the few that have a knack for it?

[zakath]

do you feel offended?

Perhaps you should go back to doing purposeless things, as you have been doing so far and leave mapping to the few that have a knack for it?

How could I feel offended by you? your stuff are like a bug on a windshield that how pointless the stuff you have done are.

[Horve]

hey, it's okay, it's not your fault. Some are born with lack of oxygen.

[zakath]

hey, it's okay, it's not your fault. Some are born with lack of oxygen.

Everyone is born without oxygen, however you are born without no other purpose but beeing sarcastic and posting useless stuff thats about everything you bring to this community.

[Horve]

such a great number of transparent sceneries freezes my game
the map is uglier than your butt
the gameplay is undeniably going to be terrible because read above
Why would anyone use the top route?
Because of the fact that everyone spawns so close to one-another, you will have to kill the same guy 3 times before you manage to score. Some weapons can't handle this, since they just don't pack enough firepower.
This will be deathmatch, there is not even going to be a ghost of tactics present (except for spawnkilling).
The team with 1 extra player will instantly dominate the opposite team.
The colours are random and look s**t, what drugs are you on?
This has nothing to do with an empire

I suggest you take this shit and shove it back up your ass. Next time use the toilet rather than the forums.
Here's your beloved feedback

[DarkCrusade]

Lets focus on the layout. DarDar is working on it if you read his posts and I think his ideas aren't bad.

[As de Espada]

peopple will use upper route if they can reach/help the flag area.
maybe if you make the lower route slower, some people would go up. They could be the support team

[Kouleman]

Hello mr. Dardar

There has been few maps with a similar idea before. Expect they wasn't so plane as this one. And they didn't work out very well either.

As many guys have pointed out the top route is useless. That is true.
This looks like ctf_Snakebite. Since this is probably one of your first products I think I can use that as a example. You can get quite easily to over halfway at snakebite too. In other words the team who won the first buss get around 4 caps before other team has any change to do anything.

You probably think somthing like "ooh kouleman but you don't understant... thats the point of the map" well... my experience from similar products have been quite negative at past. I have few times tryed to plan one by myself, but trown them to trashbin shortly.

But anyway keep trying to develop a good map. I do not think this layout got much potential. Maybe you are able to find a better layout for this kind of idea.

And if you are disapointed and still want to test your map. I quess you can go to #soldat.mapping and ask kindly from zakath to put it to server so you can see why it probably fails. 

[smiluu]

Similiar idea was seen in ctf_Worldtour about 4-6 years ago. But, hay it was a fun server full
of teamkillers, hackers, lags, mad admins and first of all awful maps.

Nowadays In reality, theres no way anyone is going to take this layout seriously.
Even the worldtour version had better layout (which was a big surprise then) it even looked
reasonable.

says the guy who have never produced anything of worth at all.....

You know very little.

[zakath]

Similiar idea was seen in ctf_Worldtour about 4-6 years ago. But, hay it was a fun server full
of teamkillers, hackers, lags, mad admins and first of all awful maps.

Nowadays In reality, theres no way anyone is going to take this layout seriously.
Even the worldtour version had better layout (which was a big surprise then) it even looked
reasonable.

says the guy who have never produced anything of worth at all.....

You know very little.

Not really I have checked pretty much every map in this game I haven't seen one single map by horve worth of any notice.

[Blacksheepboy]

Not really I have checked pretty much every map in this game I haven't seen one single map by horve worth of any notice.

Wow, you're more douche than he is.

Would you not agree with horve?

[smiluu]

Wow, you're more douche than he is.

Hes a svede allright. Zakath, you ever cock'd a meet?

[zakath]

Wow, you're more douche than he is.

Hes a svede allright. Zakath, you ever cock'd a meet?

Wow, you're more douche than he is.

Hes a svede allright. Zakath, you ever cock'd a meet?

First I haven't seen however from overviews they dont seem to be anything special and the sml ones I have already checked before and cant see anything special there either.

[Suowarrior]

http://i42.tinypic.com/ekojk1.png

Also you can set flags farer each other to ensure that top route will be used.

And delete the clouds, if you can't make it look good, make it look boring but playable.

[Blacksheepboy]

Sorry darDar for my rather jerk remarks (yeah, I'm taking them back..). Actually recently read somewhere that the wrong kind of criticism [on something someone is serious about] is worse than saying nothing, or something like that. Although it is enjoyable to poke fun at certain things while speaking the truth, it's better all around to speak the truth in a helpful sort of way. Have I gone soft? I suppose you could say that .

As for the to-do list, I'm afraid I'll have to take that back as well...

As for Suo's remarks, he's done good with the sketch he made. I suggest you follow it to some degree.

[marineten]

who thinks soldat should add jeeps helicopters and tanks? it would be beast!!!!!!!!!!!!!             

[jrgp]

who thinks soldat should add jeeps helicopters and tanks? it would be beast!!!!!!!!!!!!!             

1) This is completely offtopic and is thus spam. Don't do that again.
2) Read the stickies around the forum. You'll soon find that this has been brought up lots of times and it has been decided against.

/warned

[Boots]

Wow, you're more douche than he is.

Hes a svede allright. Zakath, you ever cock'd a meet?

Wow, you're more douche than he is.

Hes a svede allright. Zakath, you ever cock'd a meet?

First I haven't seen however from overviews they dont seem to be anything special and the sml ones I have already checked before and cant see anything special there either.

you cant be fucking serious.. you're either blind or down right stupid..

[zakath]

Wow, you're more douche than he is.

Hes a svede allright. Zakath, you ever cock'd a meet?

Wow, you're more douche than he is.

Hes a svede allright. Zakath, you ever cock'd a meet?

First I haven't seen however from overviews they dont seem to be anything special and the sml ones I have already checked before and cant see anything special there either.

you cant be f**king serious.. you're either blind or down right stupid..

So please enlighten me whats so damn good about them then?

[Suowarrior]

im looking forward tô make the map as you have made it in your sketeches, so that the mid way can be used.
im on it.

Alright, go for it. You can modify it as you like, for example the bridges aren't mandatory.

And about Vig, I agree with zakath. I haven't seen a map made by him, that got something special in my eye. Yes he has done s**tload of maps for different gamemodes that I and majority don't play, so can't really say a word about the goodness of those maps. In case of ctf/inf maps there are mostly just awesome looks.

There are much more interesting maps/sketches made by others. I can have a memory with Smiluu's ctf_Haul, Blue Ninja's ctf_canti, a few maps by As de Espada or Wraithlike which ingenuity has been astonishing me much more than any vig's map.

[smiluu]

So please enlighten me whats so damn good about them then?

Try to do even half as good maps as those, but first..

Replace polyworks with the oldest map maker you can possibly find, wash out all your map-influences/shared experience
from your head, become a complete datanome-noob, dont even dream of help because thats impossible and there you
have the tools Vig had back in the days when you were a .

[Blacksheepboy]

okay, give me some excercies for practising

As for the to-do list, I'm afraid I'll have to take that back as well...

[zakath]

So please enlighten me whats so damn good about them then?

Try to do even half as good maps as those, but first..

Replace polyworks with the oldest map maker you can possibly find, wash out all your map-influences/shared experience
from your head, become a complete datanome-noob, dont even dream of help because thats impossible and there you
have the tools Vig had back in the days when you were a .

and yet you still failed to tell me whats good about them, I dont care if he made them with a hexeditor there are still not anything special about them.

[smiluu]

As for Suo's layout, I think upper route will still be useless. If you insist to hold onto this chuminoturd layout/idea
then atleast modify it like this.



Upper route would have more use this way, defending is little easier. But unfortunately rest of the problems
are dealt only with trying again. I guess it doesn't really matter either the routes are open or not (since due your idea)
any gun will lack the gun power to match the speed anyways like said earlier.

and yet you still failed to tell me whats good about them

What you do wrong in your maps, Vig/Horve does it perfectly in his maps. You, go to a jail too.

[As de Espada]

smiluu's layout looks playable
congrats

[zakath]

As for Suo's layout, I think upper route will still be useless. If you insist to hold onto this chuminoturd layout/idea
then atleast modify it like this.



Upper route would have more use this way, defending is little easier. But unfortunately rest of the problems
are dealt only with trying again. I guess it doesn't really matter either the routes are open or not (since due your idea)
any gun will lack the gun power to match the speed anyways like said earlier.

and yet you still failed to tell me whats good about them

What you do wrong in your maps, Vig/Horve does it perfectly in his maps. You, go to a jail too.

and yet again you say nothing. but then again I didn't expect anything from you either.

[Horve]

Who in their right mind would actually start wasting time proving something to someone who is unable nor unwilling to comprehend in the first place?

and fanboys, lay off the retard. I don't approve of bullying. There is an unwritten rule that you don't gang up on cripples, be they mentally or physically impaired. At least it is a personal principle.

Sml examples, to me, are shit, they were shit before as well. The point is, they were great back in the times when there was no backflipping and no zakath.

[zakath]

Who in their right mind would actually start wasting time proving something to someone who is unable nor unwilling to comprehend in the first place?

and fanboys, lay off the retard. I don't approve of bullying. There is an unwritten rule that you don't gang up on cripples, be they mentally or physically impaired. At least it is a personal principle.

Sml examples, to me, are s**t, they were s**t before as well. The point is, they were great back in the times when there was no backflipping and no zakath.

Your impecable social skills as well as inability to give even a slightest hint why you are such a great mapper proves yet again then your only skill here is the amount of insults you can throw up without any basis what so ever but then again cant expect to much from someone who's only skill is to flame.

[DarkCrusade]

Do not forget to mention at this point that it was Zakath who created the gamemode MissionMod and MissionMod2, anyone who's scripting around here knows how much effort he must have put into the script and the creation of the very unique and pretty maps. In fact I think that this is far more worth of being called good than anything Horve has done. Besides that this totally surprised me:

There is an unwritten rule that you don't gang up on cripples, be they mentally or physically impaired. At least it is a personal principle.

How come that you say that? You call everyone mentally disturbed who is not able to talk proper english. Screw that, you call pretty much everyone so, with a few exceptions.

To sum things up: I rather appreciate anything Zakath did than anything you've done in your lang career of being soldatforums biggest faggot ever. I'm not saying you have no 'mapping skills' nor am I saying you are dumb, because you don't lack those things, but you really deserve punishment for your plain posting style.

[Dusty]

Zakath's not the right person to say Vig has done nothing.

[smiluu]

Me and suow both followed your original oeuvre, if you need to call something unvaried then let it be your own mapping/design skills.

-erection activated by zakath-

We can keep exchanging our opinions forever while not leading ourselves anywhere.
However I agree, effort is the labour of love. We all know how much effort it needs
to bear down a rock hard turd forth your rectum.. But no matter how many times
you (and zakath) try, what distors the water will always/only be s**t.

[DarkCrusade]

Now you are being silly.

[croat1gamer]

My eyes hurt from watching it.
And im sure that there are buttloads of polybugs.

[DarkCrusade]

#1: Which bridges are walkable? Which not? Top route seems to be useless, if you want to keep it that way give an advantage by putting some kit spawns there (maybe remove those from the bases or they will be attracting spawners).

Simply forget #2.

[darDar]

currently only the bridge over the blue polygon is walkable and i tested it out , the upper way isnt so useless as it seems to be cause you can do that in several ways and this can be a good tactic:


i will still add some kits there

[DarkCrusade]

Get rid of those ugly clouds now and do it the way the lazy people (including me) do it. Color the borders black and stretch some black blank.bmp to get a nice fade effect. There are two different coloring tools, learn how to use them. If you need some information about Polyworks just click at the questionmark sgn at the top right corner and you'll find everything you need.

[As de Espada]

about the second version of the map... you are really good in making useless paths. People would never go the lower route, and mostly upper route.
about the current version, make the trespassable bridge more transparent plz

[Biggles]

off topic: I'll translate all smiluus post by one word: asslicker.

ontopic: get rid of all the clouds

[Norbo]

maybe im kinda late here, because nobody has posted in this topic for about a month.
but i really like the layout of this map, it brings a new dimention to soldat,is very interesting and tactical.

darDar: are you still working on it? i think you should carry on with this as it has lots of potential for a good map.
Also, try to improve the visuals, remove the clouds, add some more scenery, and vary the shape of your polygons.

Add some blank.bmp's outside the whole map, like DarkCrusade said. This will make it much better to look at.

[-Major-]

what about this instead.


this would make up rout main rout, and low rout defense. or make it 1 def "mid" (goes where the player ahead died) and then 1 for each rout, probably would be a very intense map. 3v3 might be hard, and 2v2 might be very slow.
if you swap the flags, it could be quit interessting.


swap the falgs and it could be like a fast paced hormone.

and like everyone has said, remove the clouds. I am guessing this is just a game play version. you'd need to move nades to flag position, health packs quite close to flag position, and maybe at the first flying polygon thingy on each base.
I am not sure how the medics works.... is the medics "owner" indicated by the closer spawn position or the flag position?

[darDar]

thanks for replying even if this thread isnot really up to date any longer cause im kinda busy currently.
Im not sure about the Medic Owner thing but i will try to use your ideas and test it out.
And to the Fog thing... I just made to have at least a bit graphics on that map. I tried to make it look like Guardian which i didnt really got .. but after removing the fog it simply looks sh**.

[Norbo]

I think it looks shit now. Upload the map, let me see what i can do.

[darDar]

I think it looks s**t now. Upload the map, let me see what i can do.

Im currently on laptop cause im having some issues with my PC, i will have to reinstall my oS then i can give it to you thx.

[Monsteri]

Phew, very lot of text here. Your map have got some attention . Aand as everybody have said, remove the clouds. This is more like ctf_cloud now. And make outside edges a little bit circular. You too could shade them black. Remove too some of those spawns and add medi- and grenade kits. (andandand) Make something colliders to outsidest islands and to downhills begin. That there aren't  -im-camping in spwan-with-sniper (i'm still not hating them) dudes. This is a fun Idea, and I think it works. But i'm not giving to you orders, just ideas. And I hope that you get your PC to work