All proceeds from Soldat go to Link-Dead...

[scarface09]

Isn't it quiet obvious that the fact of the sudden urge for gains and interest from MM depicts a profit scheme or agenda for his new establishment, near ending development of Link-Dead forthwith? Community is being used..."free developers and open-sourcing this crap" this looks like we are getting done hard by. I know I want to make the game better...but he is using this as a way out to promote his new release. Propoganda conspiracy to me.

I believe so...if anybody else is with me, feel free to comment. I couldn't care less for trolls...I'm up for anything.

[Espadon]

go code your own game.

[jrgp]

So? Its his money that he's free to spend as he chooses as soon as you submit the form.

[RafiPZ]

Your post is a little difficult to understand, are you saying MM is only posting here to promote linkdead?
So... if he doesn't respond he abandons the community, if he does its a conpiracy and propaganda.lol MM can't win.
Also i'm pretty sure that using proceeds from  a previous game to fund a new one is common practice.

[darDar]

wow.. you really thing MM doesnt like to earn some money ? Of course he is deving a new game now.

And he can´t focus on Soldat and LD on the same time.

Therefore we had / and will have new devs.

[Stuffy]

Its really impressive how much people can spam on one fucking topic. I mean, soldat is getting new devs, theres no need for creating 10000000000 topics and flame on MM. This will not help in any way.

[Lord Frunkamunch]

all proceeds from soldat go to mm.
you know, the guy who made the fucking game.

OH NO THIS IS QUIET A PROPAGANDA CONSPIRACY

[Guile]

You should be thankful to MM for having Soldat for that period of time AT ALL.

Nothing lasts for eternity, neither does Soldat.

I don't care what he does with his money, it's his money.

[CheeSeMan.]

this is clownman right? Enough said...

[RemiX]

I'm with scarface on this one. I know MM made the game and we are all thankful he did, but as you can see in his last post he is basically done with soldat. All the money that came from soldat during a certain period of time is now going to a game that has nothing to do with this community and does not benefit the community. Soldat has many glitches, bugs, and hacks and yet the person you're giving your money to is using it to make another game instead of fixing this one.

A quick example is you buying stock in a company you work for. Basically you giving your own money to help this company flourish. Then later on you find out that the money is going somewhere else. Not to help out the company but to help out another company, so instead of that money helping the business continue it is not helping at all.

So I'm with scarface on open-sourcing soldat. Put it in the community hands to dev the game we all have been playing for years now. I have read names of people who are willing to help and know how to help.     

From: November 03, 2010, 11:43:19 pmI'm with scarface on this one. I know MM made the game and we are all thankful he did, but as you can see in his last post he is basically done with soldat. All the money that came from soldat during a certain period of time is now going to a game that has nothing to do with this community and does not benefit the community. Soldat has many glitches, bugs, and hacks and yet the person you're giving your money to is using it to make another game instead of fixing this one.

A quick example is you buying stock in a company you work for. Basically you giving your own money to help this company flourish. Then later on you find out that the money is going somewhere else. Not to help out the company but to help out another company, so instead of that money helping the business continue it is not helping at all.

So I'm with scarface on open-sourcing soldat. Put it in the community hands to dev the game we all have been playing for years now. I have read names of people who are willing to help and know how to help.     

[KYnetiK]

Does anyone else find it ridiculous that MMs sole income derives from Soldat?

Seriously, the unspoken rule of living in a society is that you must participate in order to live off that society. I dont mean to sound like an a**hole, but this recurring idea of MMs that he needs income from soldat to survive is naive and insulting to our intelligence. Get a damn job. To paraphrase Bill Hicks, I dont care if you can sh*t Mona Lisa's on cue, you cant expect people to support you just so you can sit on a computer for 18+ hours a day consuming sugar.

I work full-time doing a job that shouldnt exist, in order to serve imbeciles whose constituent atoms are wasted on, benefitting only a select group of corporate fat cats - just to support myself and my family. I work to pay off the inherent debts of life so that I may be free to undergo my art. I still find the time to learn and go about my own projects and profit from them. Surely someone with a wealth of knowledge beyond mine can also achieve this equilibrium of life and art.

The more I see the issue of money and advertising being raised with Soldat, the less I want to associate with it at all, and this disturbs me deeply because I love Soldat and it does not deserve to simply die beneath the radar. I paid for my Soldat because you [MM+the Community] created something Great, and I feel obligated to make sure that does not go unrewarded. Lets face it, everyday we throw money away on something we know is limited or amounts to nothing. Lets not allow Soldat to amount to nothing too, simply because it has served its purpose of generating income. So lets focus on development as opposed to potential profit. If your product is good, I will use it and reward you for your efforts. The more you attempt to convince me to spend money on you, the more I know you are bullsh*tting me. Lets focus on making the best Soldat can be, and that will inspire a greater reward, monetary or not.

Soldat needs to be in the hands of a Dev team, or OpenSourced. I think that the former is preferable, and would eventually lead to the latter.

[Illuminatus]

Wise words.

[poopdogg]

idk
as
long
as
soldat
is
still
alive

[FliesLikeABrick]

MM made a time investment in developing Soldat, and an important part of an investment is it being profitable.

You guys are just bitching because the term of his investment is longer than the period over which he spent investing time.

You all seem to forget that he spent years working on Soldat, likely with the hope that it would become [at least] as popular as it has, so that he could use that money while working on future games.  There is nothing wrong with that - it was not created as an open-source game, it was and still is his game.  People who choose to work on it like EnEsCe do so for their own gratification and experience (There are plenty of things I have done for Soldat which have helped me get the jobs and consulting gigs that I have had) while not asking for money.  There's nothing wrong with them wanting to work on the game for free.

I could spend another 3 paragraphs drawing parallels from this to things that are in all of our lives every day without seeming normal, but I hope the given explanation suffices.

Posts I agree with in this thread:

go code your own game.

So? Its his money that he's free to spend as he chooses as soon as you submit the form.

all proceeds from soldat go to mm.
you know, the guy who made the f**king game.

OH NO THIS IS QUIET A PROPAGANDA CONSPIRACY

You should be thankful to MM for having Soldat for that period of time AT ALL.

Nothing lasts for eternity, neither does Soldat.

I don't care what he does with his money, it's his money.

And I need to tear apart RemiX's analogy to buying stocks:

A quick example is you buying stock in a company you work for. Basically you giving your own money to help this company flourish. Then later on you find out that the money is going somewhere else. Not to help out the company but to help out another company, so instead of that money helping the business continue it is not helping at all.

When you buy stocks you are technically taking part ownership of the company.  Decisions made by the company as a whole to invest in another company are ultimately made by a board of stock investors, like yourself (in your scenario), therefore you have a small say in what goes on.  If you invested more in the stock, you would have more say over how the money is spent.

In Soldat's case, MM is basically the sole investor, therefore he gets to make the decisions pretty much entirely on his own.  The fact that he asked for the community's opinions on what to do in the other thread ("Soldat today and tomorrow") is a courtesy that he by all means did not have to give.

A second take on your post:
If you work for a company and buy stock or are given stock as part of a stock option you will continue to hold those stocks after you stop working for the company.  This is you investing in the company, and then when you move on from the company (to work somewhere else, a.k.a. "spent your time on something else), nobody says you can't still reap the profits of your investment at the previous company.  This is exactly like MM moving on from Soldat to LD.  He made a huge investment in Soldat, and that investment is still paying off to him.  Just the same, Soldat could have flopped and he'd either be working at McDonald's and/or living in a cardboard box.

[MattH]

I personally think, that it should be up to MM with what he does with soldat... after all it is his "baby".

Also I honestly think it's rather immature to even bother hypothesizing where MM's main source of income comes from (be it from a real 9-to-5 job, or the "profits," that he makes from selling soldat registration).

[FliesLikeABrick]

Also I honestly think it's rather immature to even bother hypothesizing where MM's main source of income comes from (be it from a real 9-to-5 job, or the "profits," that he makes from selling soldat registration).

Agreed, however he indicated in the other thread that Soldat registrations make up his primary source of income currently.

[DarkCrusade]

[...] however he indicated in the other thread that Soldat registrations make up his primary source of income currently.

You want to sell me he lives off ~30€ a month? Just saying.. sounds funny

[FliesLikeABrick]

[...] however he indicated in the other thread that Soldat registrations make up his primary source of income currently.

You want to sell me he lives off ~30€ a month? Just saying.. sounds funny

Oh I agree, and I have no idea how much money we're talking about.  I'm just telling MattH that people aren't hypothesizing - they're going off  what MM said.

[jrgp]

[...] however he indicated in the other thread that Soldat registrations make up his primary source of income currently.

You want to sell me he lives off ~30€ a month? Just saying.. sounds funny

I'm absolutely positive he doesn't blow it all at once and saves it accordingly.

[Espadon]

Whether or not he's living off Soldat sales is really none of your business -- the money is no longer yours.