spaz is to overpowered

[Mallow007]

Can kill you faster that anyother gun (besides 1 hits) the nade +shot combo its just unstoppable. fix it
seriusly what is wrong with you balance ppl?

[Espadon]

What do you consider the ideal weapon balance to be?

[vehicledestroyer]

I have no opinion but hope this helps.

Damage % per pellet (6 pellets per shot)
Head  = 13.001%
Torsso = 11.305
Legs = 10.175

Shots per second = 1.9
Pellets (6 per shot) 11.3
Fire interval 0.533 seonds.

                                        Head     Torso     Legs
Seconds to kill                     0.68      0.78      0.87
Kills per second                   1.47       1.28      1.15
Kills per load                       6.24       5.43      4.88
Pellets to kill (6 per shot)      7.69       8.85      9.83
-Note hight spread on pellets at [Speed = 139]

-Calculations by SWF, codded by Teolant, formulas by me and help from Serial killer.

[killzonea59]

Awwww.
Leave the poor spaz alone. It has done nothing wrong to you.

There's nothing wrong with it, leave it alone.

[STM1993]

No opinion either.

Though I'm wondering if the idea of changing the Spas' spread has been considered by the testers. That idea was kinda interesting.

[demoniac93]

f11 You can't beat person with Ak-47 in far distance with spas.

You virtually can't beat anything with Spas at long range...

[Clawbug]

f11 You can't beat person with Ak-47 in far distance with spas.

You virtually can't beat anything with Spas at long range...

Maps these days are so small that you generally can't maintain such distances anyway, so the disadvantage of low bullet speed actually turns out to become an advantage these days.

[Monsteri]

Blah, just keep your distance and you will wine spazer- But get surprised wiht awesume speedrusher with spas! I got assraped to mouth like that yesterday, when nade threw him her against me.

[Clawbug]

Blah, just keep your distance and you will wine spazer- But get surprised wiht awesume speedrusher with spas! I got assraped to mouth like that yesterday, when nade threw him her against me.

In most currently popular CTF maps it's impossible to keep distance due to the fact that the maps itself are so small.

Note that I am talking about competitive side of things, where 3v3 rushing with Spas in small maps works great.

[Monsteri]

Yes, but player with automatic weapon has just same changes to kill spazer- and with ruger (needed a good player though) even more changes. Spas needs no changes.

[demoniac93]

I've been playing more Ctf than I usually do as of late, and with a Steyr I can take on pretty much any Spas user at close and medium range provided I don't get caught in a poly.

[Clawbug]

I've been playing more Ctf than I usually do as of late, and with a Steyr I can take on pretty much any Spas user at close and medium range provided I don't get caught in a poly.

Spas will fire two shots(effectively killing an enemy) faster than Steyr can kill an enemy.

[demoniac93]

I've been playing more Ctf than I usually do as of late, and with a Steyr I can take on pretty much any Spas user at close and medium range provided I don't get caught in a poly.

Spas will fire two shots(effectively killing an enemy) faster than Steyr can kill an enemy.

But the pellet speed is so low you can dodge simply by jetting straight up.
And this is something I say from experience. 

[Dusty]

public experience

[SoldatFire]

for me spas is perfectly balanced
*deadly on close range
*okay on middle 35%kill chance
*and on long fail
 like a shotgun should be    good balance for the weapon

[demoniac93]

public experience

Publics, gathers, and a couple of friendly CW's, even watched some pro guys playing in private servers before.
Don't be prejudiced, my friend.

[SoldatFire]

f11 You can't beat person with Ak-47 in far distance with spas.

You virtually can't beat anything with Spas at long range...

Maps these days are so small that you generally can't maintain such distances anyway, so the disadvantage of low bullet speed actually turns out to become an advantage these days.

LOL wait your idea is dumb a spas should be good at close range!!!! (if more map are small that sould be so)
its a shotgun!!! yes its better then 90% of weapons on close range but for that it is mean! your idea is that all weapons be good at close ?? then no one would use the spas! its like it is and should stay so -_-

[Clawbug]

public experience

Publics, gathers, and a couple of friendly CW's, even watched some pro guys playing in private servers before.
Don't be prejudiced, my friend.

Considering that Dusty plays* gathers/cws(on private servers, mind you! ) exclusively, I guess he has some insight on what he's talking about.

(*) At least used to play, back when I did so myself.. I don't even remember when. :O

Of what I can tell, Spas is definitely overpowered in certain situations especially in the "new" maps which have very little of open area and usually force to close quarters combat.

f11 You can't beat person with Ak-47 in far distance with spas.

You virtually can't beat anything with Spas at long range...

Maps these days are so small that you generally can't maintain such distances anyway, so the disadvantage of low bullet speed actually turns out to become an advantage these days.

LOL wait your idea is dumb a spas should be good at close range!!!! (if more map are small that sould be so)
its a shotgun!!! yes its better then 90% of weapons on close range but for that it is mean! your idea is that all weapons be good at close ?? then no one would use the spas! its like it is and should stay so -_-

No shit, sherlock! What I am saying is that considering the current trend of small maps, Spas can counter just about every single weapon almost all of the time without any obvious disadvantages, effectively rendering it overpowered, and overused.

[Monsteri]

Well, at close combat maps, players need to use short range weapons to get kills!?
When we are at other weapons, I think that default weapons should be like they were in 1.3.1, but only default- Except knife, I mean that it should be like it was in 1.3.1 in realistic mode too. To be honest, I never liked the way weapons turned on. Some are better now, some aren't. But -spas needs no changes. It's perfect and balanced like the way it is.

[DarkCrusade]

If I say the same thing over and over again ignoring everyone else I'm right!