Author Topic: spaz is to overpowered (Read 21778 times)

Jerkington XIII · « **Reply #40 on:** December 21, 2011, 06:10:30 am »

Quote from: NamelessWolf on December 21, 2011, 03:00:17 am

Well.. I think something should be done about Spas and Ruger as those two gets more than twice as many kills as any other weapon (including grenades!).

It's nice to have those guns that kills with one shot under the right circumstances, but Spas should be short range only and Ruger should have some bink. It's not reasonable to have perfect aim after being shot by a few bullets from an auto.

Nah, not bink, too less of it is barely a change, too much (imagine a stray socom bullet hitting you just when you're about to shoot a guy) is stupid for the only precision gun. I mean, we already have Barrett, and it wouldn't be so much about skill, but luck. I propose slower fireinterval, to put more emphasis on accuracy, not on mindless ruger spray.

As for spas, the bullets just should lose damage over distance.

machina · « **Reply #41 on:** December 21, 2011, 08:05:48 am »

Quote from: Jerkington XIII on December 21, 2011, 06:10:30 am

I propose slower fireinterval, to put more emphasis on accuracy, not on mindless ruger spray.

As for spas, the bullets just should lose damage over distance.

Yea, that sprays are so annoying. This is so fucked up funny while I spray with AK on Ash from roof of the on base... And then I get on bullet spray and I lose 90% of life. Spraying by weapons like that shouldn't be allowed. Incrasing FireInterval is a good idea for Ruger...

About Spas, you're right. Bullets lose Damage with game gravitation. So the more time in air they spend, the less HP they get. I think Spas should have lower Speed or Damage. Or both of these things because if someone shot by Spas to targets situated lower than player, bullets won't lose their Speed a lot.

Monsteri · « **Reply #42 on:** December 21, 2011, 08:37:04 am »

This thread seems to be originally about the normal spas, and I know we are all talking about the realistic spas, which is in need of a nerf indeed. Maybe we should start a new thread for realistic spas, to keep things more clear?

machina · « **Reply #43 on:** December 21, 2011, 08:43:19 am »

Quote from: Monsteri on December 21, 2011, 08:37:04 am

This thread seems to be originally about the normal spas, and I know we are all talking about the realistic spas, which is in need of a nerf indeed. Maybe we should start a new thread for realistic spas, to keep things more clear?

Argh... But all our ideas would have to be rewrtten...

Jerkington XIII · « **Reply #44 on:** December 21, 2011, 11:24:22 am »

Quote from: Monsteri on December 21, 2011, 08:37:04 am

This thread seems to be originally about the normal spas

Where did you get such an idea?

STM1993 · « **Reply #45 on:** December 21, 2011, 11:27:43 am »

Quote from: Jerkington XIII on December 21, 2011, 11:24:22 am

Quote from: Monsteri on December 21, 2011, 08:37:04 am
This thread seems to be originally about the normal spas
Where did you get such an idea?

Because the original post talks about how the Spas kills fastest other than 1-hits and also talks about the shoot+nade combo. In realistic, Spas IS a 1-hitter(given close enough range) and does not need such a combo to kill.

machina · « **Reply #46 on:** December 21, 2011, 12:17:58 pm »

Okay, but if creator wanted to make it only about Normal, he would add "[NORMAL]" in the topic. He didn't (probably because he did not read this forum rules) so we can talk about Realistic, too...

NamelessWolf · « **Reply #47 on:** December 22, 2011, 01:07:09 am »

I couldn't imagine Spas being overpowered in "normal" mode. My thoughts are restricted to "realistic".

About the bink for Ruger it just makes no sence to have perfect aim after recieving a few bullets. Slower fire interval isn't the logic thing to change and I don't get the argument that too less bink would have no effect, but too much bink would be too much. Somewhere in between those two alternatives must be the perfect balance.

I think bink works fine with Barret. You can spray a sniper, but you have to be fast and hit well from a distance before he can shoot you. That's also a precision gun in a way, but it differs from Ruger by the fact that it has a scope instead of reasonably high fire interval.
I think bink for Ruger should work in the same fashion. A fast and good aiming Ruger shooter could still kill a bunch of enemies before reload, but he would have to be the first one to shoot most of the time to get many kills.

About Spas I agree that it should simply lose more of its damage after a shorter distance than how it is.

machina · « **Reply #48 on:** December 22, 2011, 07:11:53 am »

Okay, we've talked with sense. Now, we just have to be heard. I'll try to troll about this topic on #soldat.devs and I hope they will change something. You can help by trolling devs with me.

Monsteri · « **Reply #49 on:** December 22, 2011, 09:24:23 am »

That can't be called trolling, my dear.

machina · « **Reply #50 on:** December 22, 2011, 12:24:25 pm »

Quote from: Monsteri on December 22, 2011, 09:24:23 am

That can't be called trolling, my dear.

Trolling will be needed only if listeners don't listen us...

Vucgy92 · « **Reply #51 on:** December 22, 2011, 05:39:41 pm »

Spas is to underowered in standard mode it needs 2 full (all pellets) shots to kill and that is at 1-20meters .
For further distances you just smile to the death.
And you say its owerpowered ? Fucking small fagot!

chox · « **Reply #52 on:** December 23, 2011, 04:48:43 am »

Quote from: Vucgy92 on December 22, 2011, 05:39:41 pm

Spas is to underowered in standard mode it needs 2 full (all pellets) shots to kill and that is at 1-20meters .
For further distances you just smile to the death.
And you say its owerpowered ? Fucking small fagot!

are you trolling?
spas in normal with nades is like m79 but you can defense yourself after the first shot

machina · « **Reply #53 on:** December 23, 2011, 07:00:04 am »

@Vucgy92 Don't know who are you talking to, but we talked about REalistic lately... So fuck you then!

ValiS · « **Reply #54 on:** December 26, 2011, 09:11:45 am »

Quote from: Vucgy92 on December 22, 2011, 05:39:41 pm

Spas is to underowered in standard mode it needs 2 full (all pellets) shots to kill and that is at 1-20meters .
For further distances you just smile to the death.
And you say its owerpowered ? Fucking small fagot!

So you must be the BIG faggot then? If you have to shoot more than 2 times to kill from 1 m, then check your lag.

Vucgy92 · « **Reply #55 on:** December 26, 2011, 04:24:22 pm »

Quote from: ValiS on December 26, 2011, 09:11:45 am

Quote from: Vucgy92 on December 22, 2011, 05:39:41 pm
Spas is to underowered in standard mode it needs 2 full (all pellets) shots to kill and that is at 1-20meters .
For further distances you just smile to the death.
And you say its owerpowered ? Fucking small fagot!

So you must be the BIG faggot then? If you have to shoot more than 2 times to kill from 1 m, then check your lag.

STFU u 10year old pussy its crap in standard and in realistic its balanced .

machina · « **Reply #56 on:** December 27, 2011, 07:26:32 am »

Quote from: Vucgy92 on December 26, 2011, 04:24:22 pm

in realistic its balanced .

Oh rly? How long you play Realistic? Or maybe you came for a few second on some server and that's all your experiance? Spas is truly unbalanced on Realistic. There are more much experianced players on Realistic those agree with it. If Spas is balanced then all other weapons are underpowered.

NamelessWolf · « **Reply #57 on:** December 28, 2011, 02:42:40 am »

It's statisticly proven that Spas is used for the highest percentage of kills on realistic servers, so if any gun is overpowered it is the Spas. No question about that.

Though, there's always going to be some weapon on top of that list. I think Spas should hurt less on longer distance but only slightly and to really achieve weapons balance I think Ruger has to get some bink too. As of now Ruger isn't far behind the Spas and it would be very much overpowered if only Spas was to be powered down.

machina · « **Reply #58 on:** December 28, 2011, 06:38:30 am »

Look picture with statistics. There's a huge diffrence between Ruger and rest of weapons (but Spas).

Everything is going slowly up and then Ruger and Spas ruin table...

CheeSeMan. · « **Reply #59 on:** December 29, 2011, 04:53:23 pm »

noobs can't aim gotta QQ.

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Author Topic: spaz is to overpowered (Read 21778 times)