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Last year, I dreamt I was pissing at a restroom, but I missed the urinal and my penis exploded.
Since none of these statements can be qualified or scientifically defended, the statement on the whole is a lie.
My few cents on this:Humans are in fact animals. So a Human (animal) could mary any other animal. So why not gay marrige? They're in love, they "belong" togetherAs I understand it god wants you to be happy too.Scientists have proof that there are gay relationships in the animal world too.(because we have souls and animals do not, we are SEPARATEI don't remember god ever saying animals have no souls.The only thing that separates us from animals is that we are self aware of our existence and we can think.Id interpret the Genesis, the forbidden, i dont have a bible, so it might be a bit off:God said that they will surely die if they eat from the tree of cognition of good and evil, where as Lucifer (Devil, Satan, whatever you want, i prefer this for its meaning) said that they will "open their eyes".My interpretation:God didnt say that they will die the same moment, just indicate that they would die, whereas Lucifer said that they will realize their existence, but with realizing it, they would see that their lives are passable, and they would die eventually. They didnt realize that before they ate from the tree.Now, read what god said. I interpreted this part that god actually isnt a good, loving person, but more like a tyrant, who is keeping his "creation" under a leash, and forbidding them to think for themselves, being autonomous beings, doing things which arent instinctive, but thought over.Humans in the garden of eden, were nothing but animals, they werent thinking, but reacting, but with the apple they became "gods", self aware, autonomous, having skills instead of abilities and so on..And i would combine this with the Greek mythology, Prometheus to be precise.He gave humans the fire of gods, and was punished by the main god, Zeus, for that.The "fire of gods" is the same thing as the apple in the Genesis. Its self awareness, the intellect, skills, the 'soul'...Also, relate the punishments:Lucifer has lost 'his' legs, what made the snake crawl on the ground in the Bible, Prometheus was imprisoned on the Caucasus in the myth, 'mankind' was forced out of heaven in the bible, nothing special happened to mankind in the myth.Lucifer- Light bringerPrometheus- Flame bringerThen, after creating Adam, the verry first human who ever lived, he created his female counterpart, Eve, from the ribbone of adam. So as you can plainly see it was Adam and Eve who were the first married humans. (it was not Adam and Steve)After the sin of man, God told Adam and Eve amoung many other things, to be fruitfull and multiply. There is absolutly no gay married couple that can complete this command.Laughed at the steve bit (how do you know it isn't a typo :O).Ya and at the time it also says they were the ONLY people, eve was also made from adam making her closer than a sister, so the bible tells you to have incest.Very moral.Figurativeness ftl.We are all gods children, and he loves us all.That sounds dirty.
The truth value of the statement can't be accurately determined, which is wholly separate from a lie.
Quote from: demoniac93 on May 10, 2011, 02:09:53 pmMy beliefs are what make me miserable 80% of my life.Don't think that believing in God is all rainbows and sugar-coating, it's a tough mentality to live with, but it makes the good times that much better every single time. My beliefs make me happy, maybe you should consider dropping yours if they make you miserable. Quote from: demoniac93 on May 10, 2011, 02:09:53 pmAlso, the church is indeed unbiased, why else would it always admit it's mistakes and even dismiss the work of the crusades as being a glorified act? Why else would it be the very first to question any Christian's sainthood?I've tried looking for "non-biased" sources other than the church, and found zilch. Because almost every single one was written by another anti-religion pushing atheist.It's a sad world.Of course the church isn't unbiased, don't be ABSURD. Do you know why they admit their mistakes? Because their mistakes are documented and they can't deny them when there's evidence. We live in the information age, not even governments can hide their mistakes now.You've found zilch because you don't want to find anything. Why are you so afraid of discovering that you could be wrong?Yeah, everything is a conspiracy, every scientist and intellectual in the world is an atheist and it's just so twisted! We actually make fossils in a factory and then we hide them for people to find. Satellite imaging and the moon landings are faked and really the Earth is flat and on top of 4 giant elephants on top of a giant tortoise. GPS is a lie! Nuclear power is fake. We're not made of atoms we're made of dust and ribs. The Sun revolves around Earth. All medicine is placebo and only prayer makes you better. The wheel was invented 500 years ago. Black holes are an illusion created by Satan. There is no such thing as DNA. Dinosaurs never existed, they're just CGI like Jurassic Park. The Holocaust didn't happen. There's no such thing as pollution. Ionizing radiation doesn't exist, it's a myth. Electricity is witchcraft but we can use it as long as we love Jesus.ALL SCIENCE IS EVIL AND A LIE! ITS AN ATHEIST CONSPIRACY!!!!
My beliefs are what make me miserable 80% of my life.Don't think that believing in God is all rainbows and sugar-coating, it's a tough mentality to live with, but it makes the good times that much better every single time.
Also, the church is indeed unbiased, why else would it always admit it's mistakes and even dismiss the work of the crusades as being a glorified act? Why else would it be the very first to question any Christian's sainthood?I've tried looking for "non-biased" sources other than the church, and found zilch. Because almost every single one was written by another anti-religion pushing atheist.It's a sad world.
Wow, you're still trying to discredit me by pinning "Insecure" labels on my ass.Well guess what, I don't need this. I'm sick and tired of this bull, you're making it personal, and I honestly don't have the time for a senseless back-and-forth right now, either learn to be neutral, or piss off.Bottom line: No matter what you say, I won't let a figure or picture change my mind, I have strong opinions and stick to them, and I have standards that should have a long time ago prevented me from engaging in a discussion with someone as small-minded as yourself.Thank you for wasting that much of my time, talk to you in another life.
Bottom line: No matter what you say, I won't let a figure or picture change my mind, I have strong opinions and stick to them, and I have standards that should have a long time ago prevented me from engaging in a discussion with someone as small-minded as yourself.
So let me get this straight : you admit to being the very definition of having a closed mind, yet those who possess cognitive and objective reasoning are 'small-minded' ?
You did not properly read my post. I did not ask you to prove my statement wrong or not proveable. This topic will not convince anyone, who isn't unsure from the start on, of any point of view. I talked of experience. How many real christians do you know? How can you judge their faith and their life based on scientific researchs? Life is much more than just science.
The act of sacrificing a thing or a living object is an act of praising/appeasing a higher being/higher goal. The act of God sacrificing his own son to himself stands in contrast to the definition of a sacrifice. How could God praise himself by sacrificing his own sown to himself? He can't. Appease? I'd get rather angry about myself. Higher goal? The goal was to deliver all humans from sins. Since God is seen as a being which suffers from all the sins humans carry with them - at least modern theology says that - it's unnatural that he sacrifices his own son to himself to alleviate his pain.
If God was prepared to let us off, why on earth did He not do so? And what possible point could there be in punishing an innocent person instead? None at all that I can see, if you are thinking of punishment in the police-court sense. On the other hand, if you think of a debt, there is plenty of point in a person who has some assets paying it on behalf of someone who has not....In fact, it needs a good man to repent. And here comes the catch. Only a bad person needs to repent: only a good person can repent perfectly. The worse you are the more you need it and the less you can do it. The only person who could do it perfectly would be a perfect person-and he would not need it....Now if we had not fallen, that would be all plain sailing. But unfortunately we now need God's help in order to do something which God, in His own nature, never does at all-to surrender, to suffer, to submit, to die. Nothing in God's nature corresponds to this process at all. So that the one road for which we now need God's leadership most of all is a road God, in His own nature, has never walked. God can share only what He has: this thing, in His own nature, He has not.But supposing God became a man-suppose our human nature which can suffer and die was amalgamated with God's nature in one person-then that person could help us. He could surrender His will, and suffer and die, because He was man; and He could do it perfectly because He was God. You and I can go through this process only if God does it in us; but God can do it only if He becomes man. Our attempts at this dying will succeed only if we men share in God's dying, just as our thinking can succeed only because it is a drop out of the ocean of His intelligence: but we cannot share God's dying unless God dies; and He cannot die except by being a man.
Quote from: jrgp on September 30, 2010, 03:36:50 pmOnly anime shows I've felt any interest in over the years are Pokemon (original TV series) and various hentai.so clearly jgrp is a goddamn anime connoisseur. his opinion might as well be law here.
Only anime shows I've felt any interest in over the years are Pokemon (original TV series) and various hentai.
Best Admin: jrgp, he's like the forum mom and a pet dog rolled into one.
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Do not take the name of the Lord in vain.
