Stop what you're doing and laugh at the U.S.

[iDante]

What proof is there of gays being born gay? Or lesbians being born lesbian? It's not nature, it's the environment, as I've said already

Nope you're wrong.

No simple, single cause for sexual orientation has been conclusively demonstrated, but research suggests that it is by a combination of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences, with biological factors involving a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment.

Bocklandt et al. (2006) reported that, in mothers of homosexual men, the number of women with extreme skewing of X chromosome inactivation is significantly higher than in mothers without gay sons. Thirteen percent of mothers with one gay son, and 23% of mothers with two gay sons showed extreme skewing, compared to 4% percent of mothers without gay sons.

Blanchard and Klassen (1997) reported that each older brother increases the odds of a man being gay by 33%. This is now "one of the most reliable epidemiological variables ever identified in the study of sexual orientation." To explain this finding, it has been proposed that male fetuses provoke a maternal immune reaction that becomes stronger with each successive male fetus.

The researchers concluded that there was genetic material being passed down on the X chromosome which both promotes fertility in the mother and homosexuality in her male offspring. The connections discovered, would explain about 20% of the cases studied, indicating that this is a highly significant but not the sole genetic factor determining sexual orientation.

The conclusion is that sexual attraction, whether same-sex or opposite-sex oriented, operates similarly on a biological level.

And on and on and on. Evidence shows that there are many causes of sexual orientation, genetics being a major one.

[demoniac93]

OK, explain to me then how a homosexual can simply decide he's no longer homosexual if it is something written in his genes.

[Mittsu]

i can paint my black hair red, they're still genetically black though

if a guy feels a lust for other guys, you can't change that, you can make him resist it, but he's still attracted to men

[homerofgods]

OK, explain to me then how a homosexual can simply decide he's no longer homosexual if it is something written in his genes.

He's sexual orientation will still be gay. He can choose not to do anything gay, and he can think that he's not gay, but in reality he is gay. It's actually quite normal not to understand that you are gay until you are older, and I can think that in a christian society they don't want to be gay so they force those thoughts out of their head. A human can also be in doubt about his or her's sexual orientation.
Hormones also play a role, like a girl who has too many manly hormones and therefor has a mustache.
You should watch the youtubevideo I posted about homosexuality, and check the facts if you are still not convinced.

The only 'logical' thing would be that God made it a sin to be gay, even though many are born gay.
Btw does anyone know how many are born gay? I have heard it's up to 11%...

[Mangled*]

I've said already, I know dozens of gays who simply stopped being gay.
Now let me ask you, can a mannequin child just cease to show symptoms of that defect, just by deciding so?
There's a real life fact for you.

You said yourself you live in a Muslim country, so I'm guessing there's a HUGE social stigma on being gay. Just as there would be in close-knit Christian communities. I don't even need to point out that there are many Muslims who believe gays should be killed on the spot.

If I went to a Muslim country like Pakistan or Iran I would stop being an Atheist. You know why? Because I would be fucking killed.

I think gay people have the choice to suppress and hide their homosexuality, and under social pressure they often do, and even go as far as to marrying the opposite sex and having children. It doesn't mean they aren't still sexually attracted to their own sex. This happens all the time.

[demoniac93]

OK, explain to me then how a homosexual can simply decide he's no longer homosexual if it is something written in his genes.

He's sexual orientation will still be gay. He can choose not to do anything gay, and he can think that he's not gay, but in reality he is gay. It's actually quite normal not to understand that you are gay until you are older, and I can think that in a christian society they don't want to be gay so they force those thoughts out of their head. A human can also be in doubt about his or her's sexual orientation.
Hormones also play a role, like a girl who has too many manly hormones and therefor has a mustache.
You should watch the youtubevideo I posted about homosexuality, and check the facts if you are still not convinced.

The only 'logical' thing would be that God made it a sin to be gay, even though many are born gay.
Btw does anyone know how many are born gay? I have heard it's up to 11%...

How can he remain gay if he happily marries a woman and has children with her, and still continuous to fool around with her in bed after 3 children?

@Mangled: Just because I live in a Arabic* country, doesn't mean I've never been around the world.

[homerofgods]

OK, explain to me then how a homosexual can simply decide he's no longer homosexual if it is something written in his genes.

He's sexual orientation will still be gay. He can choose not to do anything gay, and he can think that he's not gay, but in reality he is gay. It's actually quite normal not to understand that you are gay until you are older, and I can think that in a christian society they don't want to be gay so they force those thoughts out of their head. A human can also be in doubt about his or her's sexual orientation.
Hormones also play a role, like a girl who has too many manly hormones and therefor has a mustache.
You should watch the youtubevideo I posted about homosexuality, and check the facts if you are still not convinced.

The only 'logical' thing would be that God made it a sin to be gay, even though many are born gay.
Btw does anyone know how many are born gay? I have heard it's up to 11%...

How can he remain gay if he happily marries a woman and has children with her, and still continuous to fool around with her in bed after 3 children?

He was not gay? Are you a girl if you wear brah and skirt all your life?

[demoniac93]

OK, explain to me then how a homosexual can simply decide he's no longer homosexual if it is something written in his genes.

He's sexual orientation will still be gay. He can choose not to do anything gay, and he can think that he's not gay, but in reality he is gay. It's actually quite normal not to understand that you are gay until you are older, and I can think that in a christian society they don't want to be gay so they force those thoughts out of their head. A human can also be in doubt about his or her's sexual orientation.
Hormones also play a role, like a girl who has too many manly hormones and therefor has a mustache.
You should watch the youtubevideo I posted about homosexuality, and check the facts if you are still not convinced.

The only 'logical' thing would be that God made it a sin to be gay, even though many are born gay.
Btw does anyone know how many are born gay? I have heard it's up to 11%...

How can he remain gay if he happily marries a woman and has children with her, and still continuous to fool around with her in bed after 3 children?

He was not gay? Are you a girl if you wear brah and skirt all your life?

Right, so, one day he's begging me to tell him how long my penis measures, and the next he's diving into some unsuspecting girl's panties.
Wow, way to go Sherlock.

[iDante]

How can he remain gay if he happily marries a woman and has children with her, and still continuous to fool around with her in bed after 3 children?

Who are you talking about?
You are providing a ton of anecdotal evidence ("I've seen dozens of homosexuals, he's happy with a woman, etc). That is the sole basis of your argument, and is rather weak.

As Mangled* pointed out, it is unfortunately common for homosexuals in cultures that do not accept, or actively discriminate against them to act heterosexual. As more and more of the world learns about it this should hopefully go down.

Right, so, one day he's begging me to tell him how long my penis measures, and the next he's diving into some unsuspecting girl's panties.
Wow, way to go Sherlock.

WHO IS THIS PERSON?

[homerofgods]

OK, explain to me then how a homosexual can simply decide he's no longer homosexual if it is something written in his genes.

He's sexual orientation will still be gay. He can choose not to do anything gay, and he can think that he's not gay, but in reality he is gay. It's actually quite normal not to understand that you are gay until you are older, and I can think that in a christian society they don't want to be gay so they force those thoughts out of their head. A human can also be in doubt about his or her's sexual orientation.
Hormones also play a role, like a girl who has too many manly hormones and therefor has a mustache.
You should watch the youtubevideo I posted about homosexuality, and check the facts if you are still not convinced.

The only 'logical' thing would be that God made it a sin to be gay, even though many are born gay.
Btw does anyone know how many are born gay? I have heard it's up to 11%...

How can he remain gay if he happily marries a woman and has children with her, and still continuous to fool around with her in bed after 3 children?

He was not gay? Are you a girl if you wear brah and skirt all your life?

Right, so, one day he's begging me to tell him how long my penis measures, and the next he's diving into some unsuspecting girl's panties.
Wow, way to go Sherlock.

Being gay is a physical thing demoniac93, not only a mental thing. You shouldn't define gay as someone who kiss boys. I wish your arguements would be more interresting.
Europe’s largest gay news service: Pink news: http://www.pinknews.co.uk/

[DarkCrusade]

Nice statistics, Demoniac. Now you've proven that men can decide whether they can be gay or not. Fuck science. Those ignorant bastards!

[Mittsu]

i think demoniac is making the story up

[Horve]

ever heard of bisexuals?

[croat1gamer]

I think thats all because someone was touched at his private parts by a homosexual.

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What is the current topic, im lost again.

[DarkCrusade]

@croat: This topic was about how laughable the USA is concerning the relation between science and religion. This topic is about religion, what they are about, Ghostwriter's addiction to weed and about demoniac's dick.

[jrgp]

OK, explain to me then how a homosexual can simply decide he's no longer homosexual if it is something written in his genes.

He's sexual orientation will still be gay. He can choose not to do anything gay, and he can think that he's not gay, but in reality he is gay. It's actually quite normal not to understand that you are gay until you are older, and I can think that in a christian society they don't want to be gay so they force those thoughts out of their head. A human can also be in doubt about his or her's sexual orientation.
Hormones also play a role, like a girl who has too many manly hormones and therefor has a mustache.
You should watch the youtubevideo I posted about homosexuality, and check the facts if you are still not convinced.

The only 'logical' thing would be that God made it a sin to be gay, even though many are born gay.
Btw does anyone know how many are born gay? I have heard it's up to 11%...

How can he remain gay if he happily marries a woman and has children with her, and still continuous to fool around with her in bed after 3 children?

@Mangled: Just because I live in a Arabic* country, doesn't mean I've never been around the world.

Haven't you seen American Beauty? Gay guys marry women, have kids, pretend to be happy, yet ignore their wife arter the kids are born and live in denial.

[demoniac93]

OK, explain to me then how a homosexual can simply decide he's no longer homosexual if it is something written in his genes.

He's sexual orientation will still be gay. He can choose not to do anything gay, and he can think that he's not gay, but in reality he is gay. It's actually quite normal not to understand that you are gay until you are older, and I can think that in a christian society they don't want to be gay so they force those thoughts out of their head. A human can also be in doubt about his or her's sexual orientation.
Hormones also play a role, like a girl who has too many manly hormones and therefor has a mustache.
You should watch the youtubevideo I posted about homosexuality, and check the facts if you are still not convinced.

The only 'logical' thing would be that God made it a sin to be gay, even though many are born gay.
Btw does anyone know how many are born gay? I have heard it's up to 11%...

How can he remain gay if he happily marries a woman and has children with her, and still continuous to fool around with her in bed after 3 children?

He was not gay? Are you a girl if you wear brah and skirt all your life?

Right, so, one day he's begging me to tell him how long my penis measures, and the next he's diving into some unsuspecting girl's panties.
Wow, way to go Sherlock.

Being gay is a physical thing demoniac93, not only a mental thing. You shouldn't define gay as someone who kiss boys. I wish your arguements would be more interresting.
Europe’s largest gay news service: Pink news: http://www.pinknews.co.uk/

Me too, I wish I had something interesting to say, but nowadays the only interesting thing is called bullshit, people are literally killing over bullshit.

@iDante: He's called Amer, he's now 31 and still happily married, he met his wife in Jarash (A city far up to the north of my hometown) and they both got engaged and married in Germany where he now lives, (Read: Germany, the gay tolerant country), even though his wife herself was trying to convince him to divorce her and marry a gay, he simple didn't want to.

@DC: Statistics my ass, if anything is fallible as all hell it's logic.

@jrgp: Read story above.

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

What is science for you? Where do you draw the line, the distinction between 'this science is true' and 'this science is not true'? Is it just based off if something aligns itself with your personal beliefs or not?

I guess that's one way of putting it.  Basically, word of God overrides word of man.  Once science contradicts the Bible, it's time to dig deeper and find alternate explanations.

-Being gay is in fact part of their nature, because they are born as gay, but it's a sin so you should choose not to do anything gay?

-The dinosaurs were made at the same time as humans(ignoring facts)?

These two.  I can't dispute that people are born gay, but I've already given my justification for why I believe it's wrong.  As for the dinosaur bit, I believe that there is evidence that they coexisted with humans, as well as evidence that they may still be around today.

[croat1gamer]

  As for the dinosaur bit, I believe that there is evidence that they coexisted with humans, as well as evidence that they may still be around today.

Because, why the fuck no?

[Mittsu]

it's naive to believe the bible is the source of all wisdom if it was written by imperfect humans. Even if you'd say they wrote down the words of god, why would you believe them those were really the words of god?