[Politically Incorrect] Appreciating the genius of Nazi design

[DarkCrusade]

Hitler sucked at drawing

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[Espadon]

Hitler sucked at drawing

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Hitler proved that art is srsbsns

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Too bad they didn't win.
Fucking Einstein ruined it all by going to the US!

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Too bad they didn't win.
f**king Einstein ruined it all by going to the US!

No, Hitler still killed himself and the bomb that Einstein indirectly helped create was used on Japan not Germany.

I asked a friend once, what would have happened if they had only did good things such as pass animal welfare laws, but didn't invade other countries and murder people. How would they then be perceived.

They would have been forgotten.

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[Mangled*]

I have the ability to see things in shades of grey and not black and white.

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Good one.

It's ok if you don't, I know you have your black and white dogma to follow.

You sure mangled this one. While not everyone may remember that correlation does not equal causation, most people know when something feels backwards. In this case, designs made while Germany was under Nazi leadership does not make their designs inherently antisemitic or whatever you're trying to say. Calling German designs "Nazi design" in the thread title is intentional misdirection on your part and reflects poorly on your purported righteous truthfulness.
Stick with subjective issues if you want to play in the mud.

tl;dr go back 2 bible

And at what point did I say that the designs were anti-semitic? There's nothing misdirectional about calling them Nazi designs, they came out of Nazi Germany, the architects and designers were specifically employed by Hitler to design things, he even had a personal architect for designing buildings for the Third Reich high command. Technological advancements were pushed forward by the Nazis for superiority. Are you saying you can guarantee that Germany would have invented the rocket engine or the stealth plane if the Nazi's hadn't directed their scientists and engineers to find solutions and facilitate new means of warfare?

Discuss.

Military stuff is cool.  What's your point? You're not going to rile up anyone by sticking the word "Nazi" in front of things that everyone already thinks is pretty sweet.

• Wait for someone to make an intelligent point in criticism of topic.
• After they do reiterate their point as if it was your own except butcher it.

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Yes I was thinking about that.

[Shard]

Also, Hitler was a great speaker, he knew how to capture and entrance the audience.

Did anyone write a book or soemthing on how he did that? I think that would be fascinating.

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And at what point did I say that the designs were anti-Semitic?

You implied WE thought that when you assumed that we'd all cry to you about your "racist trolling."

Military stuff is cool.  What's your point? You're not going to rile up anyone by sticking the word "Nazi" in front of things that everyone already thinks is pretty sweet.

• Wait for someone to make an intelligent point in criticism of topic.
• After they do reiterate their point as if it was your own except butcher it.

I'm not sure which comment you think I'm reiterating, but whatever.  If there really is one, well, guess what, this is called agreement.  Have you never agreed with anyone before?

Oh.  Right.

[Espadon]

And at what point did I say that the designs were anti-semitic? There's nothing misdirectional about calling them Nazi designs, they came out of Nazi Germany, the architects and designers were specifically employed by Hitler to design things, he even had a personal architect for designing buildings for the Third Reich high command. Technological advancements were pushed forward by the Nazis for superiority. Are you saying you can guarantee that Germany would have invented the rocket engine or the stealth plane if the Nazi's hadn't directed their scientists and engineers to find solutions and facilitate new means of warfare?

That's not different from what any government does. Everyone wants their weapon to be faster stronger better than the enemy's. Germany did not invent many of their wunderwaffe; rather, they were openminded to prewar theories proposed, ironically, by allied analysts and so became the first to realize them. As I mentioned before, the destruction of Germany's existing status quo contributed greatly to the Germans' enthusiastic attitude towards new ideas -- Facism being among them. You're not really saying anything politically incorrect [although factual inaccuracies such as "jet propelled... rocket" abound].

[Mangled*]

And at what point did I say that the designs were anti-Semitic?

You implied WE thought that when you assumed that we'd all cry to you about your "racist trolling."

No I didn't, you're just making an assumption.

Oh. Irony.

I'm not sure which comment you think I'm reiterating, but whatever.  If there really is one, well, guess what, this is called agreement.  Have you never agreed with anyone before?

Oh.  Right.

Jump on the bandwagon.

Lets be honest, you're just butthurt because of how I only agree with intelligent people or people who make sense or people who don't possess static, illogical, homophobic beliefs. A.K.A Not you.

That's not different from what any government does. Everyone wants their weapon to be faster stronger better than the enemy's. Germany did not invent many of their wunderwaffe; rather, they were openminded to prewar theories proposed, ironically, by allied analysts and so became the first to realize them. As I mentioned before, the destruction of Germany's existing status quo contributed greatly to the Germans' enthusiastic attitude towards new ideas -- Facism being among them. You're not really saying anything politically incorrect [although factual inaccuracies such as "jet propelled... rocket" abound].

The ideology drove the design mentality and aesthetic. It's politically incorrect by common standards because its a slightly taboo subject: 'achievments of the nazis' . Granted it's not as politically incorrect as pointing out that different races are in fact different sub-species of homo sapiens.

Rockets are jet-propelled. What in Jehovah's name are you talking about? Check your own facts.

[Horve]

I appreciate nazi design

[Espadon]

The ideology drove the design mentality and aesthetic.

You really haven't presented any clear evidence that suggests that Nazi ideology is at the root of all those things. For example, American Robert Goddard effectively pioneered the rocket before the V2 applied it as a weapon; British John Fuller wrote a paper describing mass usage of armor elements which the Germans studied and incorporated into what would become Blitzkreig tactics.  Does that make these men Nazi co-conspirators? How does Horten's choice to apply 'radar absorbing' carbon and sawdust relate to Nazi philosophy? In fact Goering specified little more than speed, range, and payload requirements. Do you have evidence to prove that the angular planes of the Jadg Panther was not in fact a conscious design choice to better deflect incoming shells but rather a Nazi demand for awesome looking tanks? Would the boxy shape of BMWs, or even the 'paperfolding' angular style of 80s performance cars similarly indicate neo-Nazi machinations?

Rockets are jet-propelled. What in Jehovah's name are you talking about? Check your own facts.

You're right on that, jet is typically used to describe a duct engine but technically a rocket engine is propelled by a gaseous jet...

[12th_account]

[...] The Germans are known for their passion for quality, and in many ways that became their weakness as the war was running out. They simply no longer had the military materiel to keep a good fight going, 'cause they selected quality over quantity to begin with. At least that's how I see it.

That's likely what allowed them to make such massive gains early on and keep going for as long as they did. The main Allies USA, UK and USSR had a combined workforce and military of ~250 million people during the war compared to Germany's ~50 million. Outproduced and outgunned like that it would have been just a matter of time regardless if Germany went with a Zerg or Protoss strategy.

Now their designs were great and all, but what interests me the most about the Nazis was in their social and biological goals. They wanted to improve mankind by artificially selecting who gets to reproduce and who is extinguished for being genetically inferior. A world-wide genetic "cleansing" to "start fresh" might have been beneficial to humankind in the long run, especially considering it would make the planet less crowded and a lot of pesky diseases would disappear in the process. Now their means for achieving that ambitious goal was a bit... uh... "risqué," so to speak, and the "cleansing" could never be performed again, otherwise people would live in constant fear of being deemed inferior.

Notice how I'm speaking in the past tense about Nazis because I don't consider Neo-Nazis to be real Nazis in that they're so boring without any sort of mystery, adventurous spirit or panache behind them. You could never make a good action or adventure themed fictional work involving Neo-Nazis.

[DarkCrusade]

Long story short: We all love these cute little bastards.

[Veritas]

Notice how I'm speaking in the past tense about Nazis because I don't consider Neo-Nazis to be real Nazis in that they're so boring without any sort of mystery, adventurous spirit or panache behind them. You could never make a good action or adventure themed fictional work involving Neo-Nazis.

I hear ya on that, the KKK was so much cooler in the past

[Mangled*]

You really haven't presented any clear evidence that suggests that Nazi ideology is at the root of all those things. For example, American Robert Goddard effectively pioneered the rocket before the V2 applied it as a weapon; British John Fuller wrote a paper describing mass usage of armor elements which the Germans studied and incorporated into what would become Blitzkreig tactics.  Does that make these men Nazi co-conspirators? How does Horten's choice to apply 'radar absorbing' carbon and sawdust relate to Nazi philosophy? In fact Goering specified little more than speed, range, and payload requirements. Do you have evidence to prove that the angular planes of the Jadg Panther was not in fact a conscious design choice to better deflect incoming shells but rather a Nazi demand for awesome looking tanks? Would the boxy shape of BMWs, or even the 'paperfolding' angular style of 80s performance cars similarly indicate neo-Nazi machinations?

Maybe you should stop purposely trying to take everything I said out of context in order to fault me. I really thought you were better than that Espadon, I'm actually kind of disappointed in you. Seriously stop a second and read what you typed there.

I'm not going to even dignify you by answering any of your childish 'arguments'.

I love the fact that you tried to fault me by asserting that "jet propelled... rocket" was a "factual innacuracy" and now it's almost as if you're pretending you never disagreed with me on that. You really want to jump on the Stupid Faithful bandwagon and turn everything into some kind of ridiculous circular anti-Mangled argument?

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[Espadon]

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Well said.