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Serious discussion about our lives
« on: September 15, 2011, 12:12:46 pm »
I have come to the point where I stop thinking small, start thinking bigger. I don't mean stuff like "where will I be in 10 years", because I know I cannot know. I don't care too much about that anyway. I will find my way. No, I am thinking about the world and how politicians, managers and industrialists changed it to their likings. Democracy, or what we call democracy, sounds like one big lie to me. After all, decisions aren't made by us. If there were referendums and politicians telling the truth, I would call it democracy. But that's not how things roll nowadays, right? Things worsen, and all we do is watch. If one stands up for his own opinion, he immediatly gets defamed to the point where you'd want to suicide but can't, because it wouldn't change anything. There is no way we could get out of this, and when we slowly run out resources there will be war - probably World War 3. And while Foxconn and some other jerks would love to see that, I certainly do not want anything of this to happen. But how can we make a change? People will sit on their fat asses as long as they are covered up with goods and they live a comfortable life. But they do not want to see that the life standards they need are threatened by themselves. I don't say we should stop driving cars altogether, and I don't say you should turn the heater off during the winter. All I am saying is that I see all this and it bothers me, but I see no way out of it.

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Re: Serious discussion about our lives
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2011, 12:40:46 pm »
The problems are plentiful and they are all fuelled by ignorance and selfishness.

The democracies we live in are assumed by the average person to be the way things are meant to be. I don't know how things are meant to be, but the systems we live in are corrupt at the highest level. Democracy is irrelevant because instead of forming policies that help and progress the people, politicians are payed off by corporations so that they do not have to pay a fair tax.

The governments are supposed to serve the people, not the other way around. Politicians don't care about politics they care about getting elected and staying in power. For the exact reason stated above.

But all this is lost on the voters, people treat political parties as if they are sports teams. Nobody cares about the policies or transparency which are the most important things in a democracy. It's a black and white issue, my party is right, the others are wrong. Regardless of what policies they may share.

It's not a democracy when all the public services are run by private companies. If that's the case where you live then that just means at some point in the past a politician has sold the people's assets off to the highest bidder for personal gain. When public transport is run by private companies they can charge whatever ridiculously high prices they want and the working class people who are dependent on those services will suffer and pay, if the government ran those services they could charge lower rates and use the profits as tax income for the economy. But it just takes one government to be corrupt and sell that asset off for profit, when in the long term it decimates the economy.

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Re: Serious discussion about our lives
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2011, 01:23:19 pm »
I better my life by posting on a game forum!
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Re: Serious discussion about our lives
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2011, 01:29:44 pm »
Guys, I've got it all figured out. I was SO NAIVE last year, before I turned 16, but I'm pretty sure I understand the entirety of human conflict now.
If only everyone else could just understand!
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Re: Serious discussion about our lives
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2011, 01:50:25 pm »
Guys, I've got it all figured out. I was SO NAIVE last year, before I turned 16, but I'm pretty sure I understand the entirety of human conflict now.
If only everyone else could just understand!
Guys, i was SO CONFLICT when i was last year, but i understand the human naivety now. If only everyone else wasn't 16!

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Re: Serious discussion about our lives
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2011, 02:12:17 pm »
I better my life by posting on a game forum!

Keep this thread serious. If I wanted it to be focussed down by trolls, I would have posted in the Bash Pit.

Guys, I've got it all figured out. I was SO NAIVE last year, before I turned 16, but I'm pretty sure I understand the entirety of human conflict now.
If only everyone else could just understand!

You dare calling me a useless cunt but show your true unworthyness by typing the above shit. Grow up.

Guys, i was SO CONFLICT when i was last year, but i understand the human naivety now. If only everyone else wasn't 16!

I thought you were smarter than that.

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Re: Serious discussion about our lives
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2011, 02:42:47 pm »
I thought you were smarter than that.
nah, not really.

Maybe I'm smart enough to acknowledge the fact that you described, but so is anyone else with half a brain. Most people I know personally are fully aware of how shit the world order is as it is now. But I tend to not think about it, because it scares me. I'm afraid to think that common people have no freedom at all, and that nobody can do anything about it. It makes me very uncomfortable deep inside, more uncomfortable that most other things. I don't have a lot of money, nor any power whatsoever. I'm just a single little cog in this grand machine, and that's how it's been for thousands of years. The only thing that would possibly change the situation would be assassinating the real people in power, but that is practically impossible. First of all, nobody knows who all of them are, and where  exactly they are. Even if you find them you'll be dead before you see them. And even if you manage to do that, new leaders will take their place, because that's how people are built. We live how we live today because the society is built according to our psychology. People are greedy, gullible and easy to manipulate by definition, and we haven't changed much in the past millenia.
Therefore the only reasonable thing left to do is living this life as well as you can. Eat healthy and do some physical exercise once in a while so you don't die at the age of 30. Produce something useful and do your work well. Also, try not to be an asshole to people and don't judge others. That's more important to have on your mind than how corrupted the political class is, unless you are insane enough to join their ranks and try to change something. Start a rebellion and die within a week if you really want to. Good luck on that.

So yeah, I don't really have anything serious to contribute to the topic because I've already gone through it in my head. It would amuse me to read what others want to say about it though.

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Re: Serious discussion about our lives
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2011, 02:57:55 pm »
You would think every person with half a brain would know how sucky this place is, but a bit ignorance saves your day if you want it to be a comfortable one. Only a small percentage of people who I know are actually aware of the problems surrounding us, which surprised me at first, because all of them are intelligent individuals. I attend grammar school, last grade, and ignorance is all around me. Well, good for them. Ignorance is bliss.

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Re: Serious discussion about our lives
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2011, 03:00:43 pm »
Poor DC is demotivated and helpless.

Try teasing his German guilt for a real intellectual erection.

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Re: Serious discussion about our lives
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2011, 03:19:09 pm »
We can always invoke Godwin and refer to his Nazi heritage which makes him want to become a better person, even if he cant.

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Re: Serious discussion about our lives
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2011, 03:24:33 pm »
You dare calling me a useless cunt but show your true unworthyness by typing the above shit. Grow up.

whoa, I quoted this expecting "cunt" to be spelled out with little italic brackets in the middle but the swear filter is actually gone now!
that's neat.

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Re: Serious discussion about our lives
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2011, 03:38:13 pm »
we don't live in a perfect world, never did, and never will. your whining looks like we're living in the shittiest times, but im glad im living now and not 500 years ago. i prefer democracy in its corrupt form more than any other system invented. Of course we could have it better, but you need to learn to appreciate what you've got. Your fatalism comes from the sudden realisation of how it works, now you just have to get used to it.
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Re: Serious discussion about our lives
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2011, 03:45:54 pm »
It may not be as bad as it seems. It's not like every manager/politician/etc is a power-obsessed tyrant. I'm sure there actually are those who use their position for good purpose.
And it's not like everyone sits on their asses ignoring what's happening in the world. Sure there are many people like that (including me). But there are people who take action too. Politicians are some of such people - the worked and studied hard to achieve their status (well, at least some of them did), they didn't sit their asses off.

I think you're just generalizing things and don't see the entire picture. Or maybe I don't. But to be honest, I don't care much. I hear a lot of things, both good and bad. And the way I see it - "good" and "bad" in our world are somewhat balanced. Actually I'd say our world is leaning more towards the good, since the many things we need for happiness can't be achieved by "bad" means.

Anyway, the world is too complex to summarize its possible future in one paragraph and everyone views it differently, so this discussion will probably end up no different than one of those religion threads.
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Re: Serious discussion about our lives
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2011, 07:37:02 pm »
This is so fucking sad.
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Re: Serious discussion about our lives
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2011, 08:54:56 pm »
Keep it serious guys, this is not the bash pit.

As for myself, I've actually developed quite the opposite view compared to DC. I'm rather optimistic.

So I just started university this September, and while it's only been little over two weeks, it's felt like being hit in the face by a hammer of knowledge. It's tough but it feels good to finally be 'on track'. As some of you may have noticed, I haven't exactly been active lately - not in here anyways. 'tis 'cause uni takes up all my time with either classes, homework or drinking arrangements. Oh god the drinking. It's harsh even for me.

As for the suicide of democracy that DC speaks of.. actually there was an election in Denmark just last night. I'm not exactly sure what the English term is, but we were electing the head of state. People basically went mad, and suddenly everyone was a master politician. I should point out that I didn't even vote, 'cause it makes little difference in a political system that's so centralized as ours - especially considering that I'm getting out of here as soon as I'm done with uni. However, the election is over and half of Denmark now spends its nights whining on facebook about the ruin of our country. Oh well.
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Re: Serious discussion about our lives
« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2011, 11:37:54 pm »
[...]I'm getting out of here as soon as I'm done with uni.

Where are you going?
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Re: Serious discussion about our lives
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2011, 01:29:31 am »
any one seen zeigeist:moving forward covers the whole "everything is fucked up and im really stupid because i didnt understand this when i was 12" like dc said but it also covers the hope of improving and changing which i thought since i was 12 that it could only be done by taking down the elite like the dc said. i now feel that the zeigeist movment has a better plan which is TOO STOP PLAYING THEIR GAME. just get pissed i say we quit and get back to life instead of this rat race shit
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Re: Serious discussion about our lives
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2011, 02:04:54 am »
[...]I'm getting out of here as soon as I'm done with uni.

Where are you going?

Probably China for a few years. After that I'm not sure about yet.
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Re: Serious discussion about our lives
« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2011, 06:42:43 am »
whether he knows it or not ds dude probably has the most accurate viewpoint in this thread

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Re: Serious discussion about our lives
« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2011, 07:14:19 am »
[...]I'm getting out of here as soon as I'm done with uni.

Where are you going?

Probably China for a few years. After that I'm not sure about yet.

Why not Germany or Italy or England or something? Hell, why not the US? We should chill and get wasted, echo.
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Re: Serious discussion about our lives
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2011, 07:43:14 am »
any one seen zeigeist:moving forward covers the whole "everything is fucked up and im really stupid because i didnt understand this when i was 12" like dc said but it also covers the hope of improving and changing which i thought since i was 12 that it could only be done by taking down the elite like the dc said. i now feel that the zeigeist movment has a better plan which is TOO STOP PLAYING THEIR GAME. just get pissed i say we quit and get back to life instead of this rat race shit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w ending made me cry , film as a whole changed my life

I think some English lessons would have a bigger impact on your life than the movie. Try mobilizing humanity to destroy our society which gives us TVs, PCs and all the stuff that keeps you from getting a revolution rolling.

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whether he knows it or not ds dude probably has the most accurate viewpoint in this thread

His viewpoint has the best ratio between "to-the-point-ness" and accuracy, but not the highest accuracy in itself :P

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As for the suicide of democracy that DC speaks of.. actually there was an election in Denmark just last night. I'm not exactly sure what the English term is, but we were electing the head of state. People basically went mad, and suddenly everyone was a master politician. I should point out that I didn't even vote, 'cause it makes little difference in a political system that's so centralized as ours - especially considering that I'm getting out of here as soon as I'm done with uni. However, the election is over and half of Denmark now spends its nights whining on facebook about the ruin of our country. Oh well.

Just another system that does not work. I am not saying everything should be decided by the people, but they should be able to decide what's included in the agendas of politicians. Without referendums, a people can only elect one party to do what they must, or rather do what they want. Angela Merkel is talking empty words since the beginning of the Greek crisis and I am looking forward to European bankruptcy, for we share the Greek outstanding debts between memberstates of the EU.

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Re: Serious discussion about our lives
« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2011, 02:01:36 am »
[...]I'm getting out of here as soon as I'm done with uni.

Where are you going?

Probably China for a few years. After that I'm not sure about yet.

Why not Germany or Italy or England or something? Hell, why not the US? We should chill and get wasted, echo.

I am going to major in Chinese, so I figured China would be a good place to start. While it's impossible to say now, I don't think I'll be staying over there forever. I WAS considering the US in the future - but that's a long way away.
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Re: Serious discussion about our lives
« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2011, 08:45:21 am »
Listen all the time, but realize I'm pretty left-brained so I tend do this thing where I listen so long, and then just, tune off somewhat, or assume the rest. Typically speaking. Otherwise, at age 19, goofing around's still kay.

What I just said makes.. like 40% sense..

This is utterly seriously speaking. Otherwise, stuff

That was my serious explanation of my life lol. The end.

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Re: Serious discussion about our lives
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2011, 08:48:33 am »
Your life sucks then.

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Re: Serious discussion about our lives
« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2011, 08:51:13 am »
You're a shyster.

I would say you're a bitch, but I'm thinking you might actually take to mean I actually meant it which I wouldn't, and I can't think of another way of actually displaying half-hearted annoyance at 7 in the morning.

I wouldn't really care to give a completely coherent explanation of stuff about my life as I would find that fairly pointless, but saying that is kind of insulting, because as I understand it, that's what people, including yourself, in this thread have done.

As I figure, I'm probly generally insulting anyway. Can't even say that without sounding autistic.. Scrupulous drunk
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Re: Serious discussion about our lives
« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2011, 10:33:57 am »
i can't wait to become a corporate whore and snort cocaine off of midgets foreheads while i'm getting rimmed out by a supermodel escort

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Re: Serious discussion about our lives
« Reply #26 on: September 17, 2011, 11:45:23 am »
Well, I knew that. But what does it have to do with the topic?

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« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2011, 11:55:15 am »
The only thing that impresses me in this entire thread, is that Echo is majoring in Chinese.

Everything else in here blows.
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« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2011, 01:02:10 pm »
I couldn't access the forums for 4 hours and I thought I got banned

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Re: Serious discussion about our lives
« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2011, 02:58:58 pm »
Well, I knew that. But what does it have to do with the topic?
Discriminating and avoiding his post aren't you? I believe that was a serious statement about his own life which I find very appropriate in a serious thread like this and if anybody the creator of the serious thread himself should take things seriously.

Your life sucks then.
This is oppositely a very inappropriate post in a self-designated serious thread.

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« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2011, 03:23:58 pm »
i can't wait to become a corporate whore and snort cocaine off of midgets foreheads while i'm getting rimmed out by a supermodel escort

midgets forheads? wtf? the pros snort the coke out of hooker's/escort's assholes
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Re: Serious discussion about our lives
« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2011, 04:00:51 pm »
I am going to major in Chinese, so I figured China would be a good place to start. While it's impossible to say now, I don't think I'll be staying over there forever. I WAS considering the US in the future - but that's a long way away.
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« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2011, 06:51:02 pm »
Good thing the boys look so beautifully convincing in skirts then, eh? Besides, I'm mainly going there for the money.
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« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2011, 07:12:11 pm »
Let's go visit Tibet together then sometime.
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Re: Serious discussion about our lives
« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2011, 12:09:47 am »
why aren't you all entertaining me i'm a massive faggot

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« Reply #36 on: September 18, 2011, 02:06:25 am »
that'd be cool if it was me

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« Reply #37 on: September 18, 2011, 08:55:51 am »
meh

it was worth a shot
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Re: Serious discussion about our lives
« Reply #38 on: September 18, 2011, 10:31:10 am »
poor 4yo... or sadist. which one was it?

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« Reply #39 on: September 18, 2011, 10:03:52 pm »
why aren't you all entertaining me i'm a massive faggot

You really know how to solve things
I'm proud of you.

Wtf, I'm with it. I'm only just meeting things with.. where they're at. That's hilarious because you can't blame me, but.. wtf. I look like an asshole, but you guys probly don't care enough to where you see the whole funny play unraveling, which is pretty fuckin hilarious if you ask me
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Re: Serious discussion about our lives
« Reply #40 on: September 18, 2011, 11:38:19 pm »
There is nothing here to solve, this topic fails in every direction you people are just talking about unrealistic goals and irrelevant posts which includes this one.

The only troll in this entire community that is able to make me laugh with his clearly thought-out whimsical posts is captain ben.

And I dont even consider him a troll. He's more like insurance in case this forum goes to hell.
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« Reply #41 on: September 19, 2011, 02:19:25 am »
I wish there were more lighthearted middle easterners like you.
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« Reply #43 on: September 19, 2011, 09:17:53 am »
I love how someone like you talks about bad behaviour, smiluu. But yes, I did in fact behave bad here and there, and I want to say sorry to you guys. You are still an ass, though, Smiluu :*

@ds dude: Keep the trollish pictures and the like out of this topic, because - I repeat - this is not the bash pit. I just wanted to deduct my thoughts about our current society somehow, and I felt like sharing, which is why I posted here. I was asking myself what one could do to stop all this madness, but apart from mobilizing the entire world's population to do something (which is rather unlikely to happen, except I had a-bombs (sad, right?)) there is nothing I could do, so you are right.

I am closing this topic. If anyone feels like he has something to add to my words, drop me a message and I will unlock it.