Author Topic: ctf_Crucifix (Read 5779 times)

As de Espada · « **on:** April 25, 2012, 10:06:48 am »

ctf_Crucifix
By As de Espada
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Fix of the map ctf_Cruz. ctf_Crucifix will turn official (default).
Features new polytypes, has bounce polys on the bottom, only flagger collides on the middle, and hurt flagger on the bases.
Original layout by machina. Thanks to Zakath for the WP.

(^Click To Get Hard^)

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changelog:
added: 2 bouncy polys on the lower route to "fix" direction of the players
added: 2 colliders in the corner that leaves to the lower route. Hides players going there and can be (more or less) used to nadeboost to upper route.
fixed: some edges were not showing
fixed: waypoints
modified: looks better without background scenerys on
modified: dark borders enlarged, now players cannot see where the borders end.
modified: better shading on the borders of the map
modified: upper and lower routes shortened a little
modified: middle path is tighten and longer, so it's easier to shoot players there.
modified: map is more open in the middle, forcing players to fly a little more to enter middle path and hiding players going the alt routes earlier.

p.s.: Cruz + fix = Crucifix

zakath · « **Reply #1 on:** April 25, 2012, 12:10:57 pm »

fixed the wypts

As de Espada · « **Reply #2 on:** April 25, 2012, 02:08:25 pm »

I updated the first post, thanks!
I also fixed some edges that were not showing
Do you think that a "no flagger sign" in the middle is needed?

ginn · « **Reply #3 on:** April 28, 2012, 05:10:08 pm »

I've tried this map... it's just really really bad... horrible for public games and horrible for competitive games.
It's a new layout, but new isn't always good.

As de Espada · « **Reply #4 on:** April 28, 2012, 10:39:40 pm »

why is bad?

ginn · « **Reply #5 on:** April 29, 2012, 06:00:27 am »

Quote from: As de Espada on April 28, 2012, 10:39:40 pm

why is bad?

Spray and camping is the only legit thing to do, It's essentially impossible to cap. It just become as spray and nade fest.

Kaze · « **Reply #6 on:** April 29, 2012, 09:06:51 am »

I gotta admit that this map (CTFwise) isn't really good because it's so hard to cap , basically the best eaters will generally win! But with that saying , i like the way it brings some new breeze and it is a fun map too , thats why i'm looking forward to play this map in cws , gathers

utkesmer · « **Reply #7 on:** July 18, 2012, 12:54:27 pm »

As de Espada · « **Reply #8 on:** July 21, 2012, 07:43:12 am »

I see what you did there, but it is impractical and it is really hard to be exploited in a real game

...also,

utkesmer · « **Reply #9 on:** July 22, 2012, 09:52:45 am »

Why are there two small "anti-flagger" polygons at the middle instead of a big one? Why did you leave a space?

Fryer · « **Reply #10 on:** July 22, 2012, 09:58:02 am »

Quote from: utkesmer on July 22, 2012, 09:52:45 am

Why are there two small "anti-flagger" polygons at the middle instead of a big one? Why did you leave a space?

It's made that way because of a bug causing warp when you stand inside those polygons. The bug will be fixed in the next version of Soldat, so then the map can go back to only having one big wall.

smiluu · « **Reply #11 on:** July 23, 2012, 10:57:44 am »

Quote from: utkesmer on July 22, 2012, 09:52:45 am

Why are there two small "anti-flagger" polygons at the middle instead of a big one? Why did you leave a space?

And why not a flaggers hurt polygon between the space incase this happens?

As de Espada · « **Reply #12 on:** July 23, 2012, 04:37:46 pm »

Quote from: smiluu on July 23, 2012, 10:57:44 am

And why not a flaggers hurt polygon between the space incase this happens?

Because it would hurt flaggers standing outside of it as well, so a polystructure rework would be necessary (adding one poly actually), and it would have more chance to cause a polybug (which affect all players passing that region), so I prefered to not hurt flaggers there. Let`s face it: they are trapped inside a thin corridor, they will be dead very quickly anyway

NamelessWolf · « **Reply #13 on:** July 27, 2012, 09:27:08 pm »

I don't know if it's caused by the "warp bug" but on realistic mode you sometimes get polybugged to death while passing through Only Flagger Collides polygons.

On this map I think it was really horrible when I played it once. Every 10th second or so someone would get selfkilled for no reason what so ever and it was just so random that it disrupted the entire game. Carelessly touching carelessly placed polygons have always been a cause of death on realistic mode, but just suddenly dying without even touching the ground is a new thing.
You could imagine the frustration from trying to run through the middle route and dying in mid air for a few times in a row. The natural reaction is simply to stop taking the middle route, but then another player might be lucky enough to survive it, he gets a shortcut to the flag and caps. Surviving or not surviving passing through those polygons could be the difference between winning and losing.

With the bugs currently affiliated with polygons set to Only Flagger Collides and Only blue/red player collides those polygon types are simply not useful.

As de Espada · « **Reply #14 on:** July 28, 2012, 12:52:05 pm »

Quote from: NamelessWolf on July 27, 2012, 09:27:08 pm

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With the bugs currently affiliated with polygons set to Only Flagger Collides and Only blue/red player collides those polygon types are simply not useful.

The bugs are already fixed

The killing was caused on the Only flagger collide polys, by the fake warping (the other players think you are warping when you aren't). The warping was considered high speed, so in realistic you was killed due to this fake speed.

Gladly is fixed now

NamelessWolf · « **Reply #15 on:** August 01, 2012, 04:37:19 am »

Sounds really good. It's a very cool map idea and I like the bounce in the lower path.

smiluu · « **Reply #16 on:** August 02, 2012, 10:01:41 am »

Quote from: As de Espada on July 23, 2012, 04:37:46 pm

Quote from: smiluu on July 23, 2012, 10:57:44 am
And why not a flaggers hurt polygon between the space incase this happens?
Because it would hurt flaggers standing outside of it as well, so a polystructure rework would be necessary (adding one poly actually), and it would have more chance to cause a polybug (which affect all players passing that region), so I prefered to not hurt flaggers there. Let`s face it: they are trapped inside a thin corridor, they will be dead very quickly anyway

Inside the space refers to inside the space. Rework hardly takes effort. This will only hurt idiots who try wrecklessly to blast through the wall while barely hitting the edge.

As de Espada · « **Reply #17 on:** August 02, 2012, 12:41:19 pm »

I understand your point of view, but the green edge will be too sharp, and as it's a narrow path the chance of hitting that edge is high (see attachment). Note that those polys only hurt flaggers, but collide with every player.
In the developing version, the whole middle path is flagger collide, so the flagger gets really trapped and starts to float/move because it is "burried". I added death polys inside the ground (above and below the middle path), and the flagger gets killed as soon as it moves inside the ground that is not only flagger collides.
I am currently trying to make the flagger be expeled from the wall insted of being sucked (and trapped) in, but that caused some other issues, I'll have to talk to the devs to see if in the fixed version that also occour

Dusty · « **Reply #18 on:** August 02, 2012, 02:15:09 pm »

The map's fine when people don't know how to play it. After learning the basic whoring strategies it becomes one of the most boring ctf maps.

Kaze · « **Reply #19 on:** August 14, 2012, 08:41:14 pm »

Quote from: Dusty on August 02, 2012, 02:15:09 pm

The map's fine when people don't know how to play it. After learning the basic whoring strategies it becomes one of the most boring ctf maps.

Dusty , I could say the same for every other ctf maps , its natural enough for a map to become boring once you learned the basic strategies that you're gonna apply everytime.

btw long time no see As :p

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