AK47 vs M4A1 ?

[Vucgy92]

Ok on the internet there are thousands of this threads but what does the "Soldatiers" think about it ?
AK47 vs M4A1 lets start what is the better weapon ?

          M4A1    -    AK47

[GhostRiderSwiss]

Ok on the internet there are thousands of this threads but what does the "Soldatiers" think about it ?
AK47 vs M4A1 lets start what is the better weapon ?

          M4A1    -    AK47

Both are classic weapons, used in thousands of games, guess soldat has the ak cauze it has more east flavour (Poland)

I like both the same way, ak is used and i got the steyr replaced by the m4a1

[Bonecrusher]

All depends, we can agree ak is more universal. But if you want to be precise from a distance you gotta pick M4A1.

[Vucgy92]

All depends, we can agree ak is more universal. But if you want to be precise from a distance you gotta pick M4A1.

You must make a "list"
DMG
ACC
Penetration
ROF
Recoil
Caliber
Ammo
Durability ( where the AK is really godlike )
and etc...

[ginn]

a bullet doesn't have a "damage" property, it's all about the ammo that is being used.

[Vucgy92]

DMG like weapon used + caliber + the size of the bullets case filled with gun powder , cause the .50cal Desert Eagle isn't even near the .50cal of the M82 Barrett cause the gun powder of the Eagle's bullet is much lower .

[Mangled*]

Okay I'm going to clear these schenanigans up right now.

Firstly it's slightly silly to compare them. You're comparing an assault rifle from 1940s with one from the 90s. So the M4A1 has a good nearly 50 year advantage of being able to look at assault rifle designs that have worked well, and others that have not. The AK-47 came pretty early, the first legitimate assault rifles were designed around 1941, the first widely used one being the Sturmgewehr (literally "storm gun") Machine-Pistole '44 or MP44. The AK-47 is actually designed quite closely to the MP44.

"Damage" is abstract and unquantifiable. I guess what you mean is "stopping power". In which case the AK-47 can be argued to have more stopping power. It fires a heavier calibre which travels slower. Higher muzzle velocity isn't necessarily an advantage in this respect, higher velocity rounds heat up more from air friction and are more prone to shattering when impacting something hard, where a slower round would more likely stay intact and penetrate harder.

"Accuracy" The M4A1 wins it with a higher muzzle velocity and more refined ammo and compensation.

"Penetration" as with the above, the AK-47 really can be said to have better penetration in general but this is more dependent on the type of ammo being fired. Full Metal Jacket or steel-tip ammunition has a harder shell on the bullet and can penetrate better because it deforms less than a lead round which absorbs/loses energy and smushes on impact.

"Rate of Fire" is arbitrary. Higher rate of fire isn't better or necessarily worse. A good marksman doesn't shoot full auto, either single shots or controlled bursts. Higher rates of fire are really more to do with 'psychological warfare', see the MG42 which had an insanely high rate of fire. It's really all about suppression. M4A1 has a higher rate of fire.

"Recoil" is sort of abstract also because it's hard to gauge, experienced shooters can control recoil easier than others. It's important to understand that most assault rifles have muzzle compensators, and more modern ones will have internal springs or gas mechanisms that also reduce recoil. Also if the gun fires from an open or closed bolt and what calibre. M4A1 almost certainly has less recoil, but the higher rate of fire would probably negate that.

"Calibre" well the AK-47 fires a heavier calibre. 7.62x39mm, not a very common round anymore, it's bigger than it needs to be and costs more to produce as far as I'm aware. The M4A1 fires 5.56x45mm NATO which is a very popular round, pretty much the standard military grade rifle round these days, used by lots of assault rifles. Better round overall with better range, higher muzzle velocity and quite cheap to produce.

"Durability" already won by the AK-47, there's a reason why it's the most produced assault rifle in the world. It can fire thousands of rounds without any malfunctions. You can pick up an AK that's been lying on the ground for a decade and it'll probably still shoot. M4A1 requires more maintenance, but is pretty durable too.

There are other things to consider as well... as a weapons system the M4A1 generally has better ergonomics, can be fitted with different stocks and grips to user preference and has better sights. AK-47 has sights much like the MP44 which weren't that great, derived from other german rifles in WWII.

[jrgp]

I think we have a new peemonkey

[Vucgy92]

I think we have a new peemonkey

Whats a peemonkey ?

[smiluu]

According to google it's an urinating monkey who rides a cloud.

[Vucgy92]

According to google it's an urinating monkey who rides a cloud.

Hahahahaha xD

[Rainy]

Voted for AK, it has nicer sounds ^^

[jrgp]

I think we have a new peemonkey

Whats a peemonkey ?

A legit Soldat veteran who is/was a gun freak. He's been gone from Soldat for years now.

[peemonkey]

pretty good match up there mangled.
I personally prefer the AK system for the simple fact that none of mine have ever had any malfunctions.
There's a pretty well known gun company in Grants Pass 2 hours south that I've had the privilege to visit for an interview. They sell some of the best AR platform rifles around, charging quite a premium. I have gone shooting with quite a few of their rifles and am disappointed to say that even they have malfunctions. My AK74's (Saiga conversion and SGL-31) have been through around 15,000 rounds together only ammo related problems. My saiga conversion is damned near smoothbore, tortured by not cleaning, corroded from milsurp salty primers and still runs 100%.
I'd never put my trust in something that costs $2000 and jams occasionally, against something that is 3-10 MOA, has terrible sights and a buttstock made for a 10 year old's arms.
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