Abusing server scripts

[Fryer]

This is a reply to the posts about Zabijaka's admin sandbox script(s) in this topic. I'm posting it here to avoid off-topic discussion.

I've been playing a lot in Zabijaka's servers, mainly because they are the only active ctf servers around currently that don't have any "special" settings. A few weeks ago I was playing in one of the servers with Bonecrusher (server owner), and noticed he was throwing cluster grenades at me. Since bonuses have always been disabled on Zabijaka, I asked if this was something new, to which he answered something about him spawning them in. I expressed disagreement about his actions and left the server, hoping to never see something like that happen again. In a recent post in the before mentioned topic however, he makes it clear that not only is the script still there, but other admins have used them to spawn in stationary guns.

I usually don't mind any weird scripts on servers, given that it has been made clear that such scripts are in effect, and that the server in some way is using those scripts to enable any expected features. I also don't mind new servers experimenting with scripts while figuring them out. What I see here is a server that has been active for over a year, having a large base of players (compared to other servers) expecting certain things from it, that is now enabling admins to do things that give them an obvious gameplay advantage. The scripts are neither advertised at all to the players, nor are they in any way enabling any type of expected features. The way I see it, this makes the usage of them cheating.

To see admins of the most popular public Soldat servers abuse scripts like this is disappointing, and makes the future of public servers look dark. I hope this post can encourage the removal of those scripts from Zabijaka's servers, and perhaps compel other server owners to think twice about which scripts they add to their servers.

TL;DR: Please remove the admin cheat scripts from Zabijaka.

[CheeSeMan.]

I agree! Fryer for president!

[Moroes]

That's classic!
Funny scripts are even worse in climb servers and it goes hand in hand with kicking/banning scripts and features like GodMode. Not even mentioning that simple /nextmap does the job .

[Bonecrusher]

Oh fryfry was mad when I used this neat little script to chat with his in-game nick

Well, after seeing this one instance of other admins playing with spawn script I decided to limit it to myself. I think throwing a pred kit or a cluster nade kit every now and then might spice the gameplay a little bit. Let's be honest, after playing on ash for the milionth time players might get bored so I try to introduce some entertainment factor.

All zabijaka admins are being tracked and every instance of them abusing their rights is addressed and resolved. If you have any further complaints feel free to message me. Also as you can see here http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=37511.msg523590#new I decided to change the adminlog to keep track on who exactly has access to certain commands.

Thanks for your opinion, but the scripts will not be removed mainly due to me enjoying them thoroughly from time to time. I'd like to point out that there is no stat script running so stats are basically from map to map basis.

TLdr: i spent ton of time on these servers, gimme a break. It's nice to see someone caring so much for a change!

[darDar]

Just came back to let you know hoe much you are failing with your responsibility to keep this game active and enjoyable.
Your Servers are a main reason for the horrible state of the game and it's community.
I already told you about that earlier though but you didn't seem to care about my reasonable opinion.
You might have not had the pleasure to play on great servers such as on the #tba public server, otherwise you'd notice how terrible bad the game feels when playing on your ctf servers.

TL;DR: Bonecrusher destroying Soldat since zabijka.pl & stop your horrible scripts, which are a reason of that.

[VinceBros]

Oh fryfry was mad when I used this neat little script to chat with his in-game nick

Well, that ain't very nice of you. Also pretty disrespectful.

All zabijaka admins are being tracked and every instance of them abusing their rights is addressed and resolved. If you have any further complaints feel free to message me.
Thanks for your opinion, but the scripts will not be removed mainly due to me enjoying them thoroughly from time to time. I'd like to point out that there is no stat script running so stats are basically from map to map basis.

Err, this sounded like a very generic automated message.

Mr. Bonecrusher, the fact that you spent "ton of time" on these servers doesn't mean you can get yourself bonuses when other people can't get them, that is called unfairness. You don't seem to understand that.. And yes, it's up to you after all but if I was you I would listen to these people. These people who make your servers alive.

And honestly, I rarely play Soldat but if I came in a server where an admin uses scripts at his advantage, oh man I would be disappointed.

TL;DR: Bonecrusher, respect the players who keep your servers alive.

[TheOne]

well.. on our LS servers we abused our admin rights, too, spawning bonuses, talking through player nicks (mostly as punishment though), I can understand bonecrusher therefor. However that is players vs. bots, and I also understand the trouble being caused when doing this on a competitive server D:
as a suggestion, you could try to limit and announce the fun-time so players know when it started and when it ends?

[%%%%%%%]

Fryer, you need to take the stick out of your butt and loosen up.

Jesus Christ, lighten the fuck up guys.

So what if an admin wants to fuck around and have fun?

If you'd don't like it, there are about 40 other CTF servers to play on.

Bone, don't read into their complaining too much; however, I think it's important to add that, though it's alright to spice things up, if you do, keep the playing field equal (i.e. add bonuses/stationary guns/etc. for everyone, not just you).

[Fryer]

Oh fryfry was mad when I used this neat little script to chat with his in-game nick

Yes. You were impersonating me. That makes me mad. Haha, funny. ._.

Fryer, you need to take the stick out of your butt and loosen up.

No need to be agressive, all I'm trying to do here is offering some feedback on how admins run their servers.

If you'd don't like it, there are about 40 other CTF servers to play on.

Except most of them are almost never active, and when I'm playing in public servers it's usually because I want some quick casual gaming, without waiting around in an empty server waiting for other players to join. But yes, I probably wouldn't care to post this topic if those other servers were active enough for me to play there instead.

[Bonecrusher]

Just came back to let you know hoe much you are failing with your responsibility to keep this game active and enjoyable.
I already told you about that earlier though but you didn't seem to care about my reasonable opinion.
You might have not had the pleasure to play on great servers such as on the #tba public server

Your Servers are a main reason for the horrible state of the game and it's community.

please elaborate that makes no sense to me[/quote]

It's nice how you pin point all of the soldat problems on me. I do recall tba server and i also remember it being HEAVILY scripted. Also if the overall gaming experience on my servers was so 'terrible bad' I dont think they would have stayed active for over 5 YEARS. I'm always open for suggestions. I know it's way easier to just throw your hatred without any actual improvement ideas. As for playing on tba servers i do remember it being heavily scripted. And you cant just compare these days soldat to golden age thats just silly.

Well, that ain't very nice of you. Also pretty disrespectful.

It wasn't anything serious I might add. Was just being playful, others usually dont take it that seriously.

Err, this sounded like a very generic automated message.

It's the truth I have this tracker thingy saving whatever admin says/does to a .txt file. I take very serious measures when it comes to admins abusing their rights.

Mr. Bonecrusher, the fact that you spent "ton of time" on these servers doesn't mean you can get yourself bonuses when other people can't get them, that is called unfairness. You don't seem to understand that.. And yes, it's up to you after all but if I was you I would listen to these people. These people who make your servers alive.

Okay here's the thing. I don't really care for the score when I play, and I usually go to the middle of the map and spawn a couple of kits so players passing by that spot can collect them. You guys are blowing this out of the proportions.

TL;DR: Bonecrusher, respect the players who keep your servers alive.

If spawning a couple of pred kits is disrespecting players now I have to revisit my morals.

And honestly, I rarely play Soldat but if I came in a server where an admin uses scripts at his advantage, oh man I would be disappointed.

Once again it's not a ranked server or anything and i usually hop in for a few mins have some fun and leave. It's not what you imagine it to be based on others opinions.

well.. on our LS servers we abused our admin rights, too, spawning bonuses, talking through player nicks (mostly as punishment though), I can understand bonecrusher therefor. However that is players vs. bots, and I also understand the trouble being caused when doing this on a competitive server D:
as a suggestion, you could try to limit and announce the fun-time so players know when it started and when it ends?

Everyone hating on me doesnt realize its usually a couple of minutes of fun-time and not constant stream of unwanted pred/bers/stats/clusters... And once again I have no interest in winning when i use those so chill out guys.

So what if an admin wants to fuck around and have fun?

If you'd don't like it, there are about 40 other CTF servers to play on.

Bone, don't read into their complaining too much; however, I think it's important to add that, though it's alright to spice things up, if you do, keep the playing field equal (i.e. add bonuses/stationary guns/etc. for everyone, not just you).

I know where they are coming from but it also seems like I was using those bonuses during serious SCTFL match or something and not on my public servers at night. Fryer kept things bottled up for a while and it finally blew in the form of this thread. Now if someone doesnt know what really happens on my servers (dardar), reading this thread may seem like I take pride in ruining players experience and it couldnt be further from the truth. Fryer could have just mailed me and we would have sorted things out without others even realizing what happened, i've known this guy for years i dont know why he didint shoot me a pm first.


Waiting for more hating posts so I can defend myself. Also waiting for some actual suggestions as to how improve current state of my servers, cause it seems like they are the only one active ctfs left and I'd like to make them all shiny and a highly respected part of publics.

[darDar]

@Bonecrusher:

#tba public server was pretty much like a vanilla server. I can't remember any special scripts being on there because when it went offline I tried to make a 1:1 copy of it and I didn't have a lot of scripts on my server back then too (aside of kill-sprees and some balancing and anti-idle scripts + zitrostats if i remember correctly) - However, none of these scripts ever had an impact on the gameplay.

I remember both servers were full of talented and well educated players at this time and it rather felt like playing a gather match than on a public server.
You act like your servers are better because they last for 5 years now, but that's not really a good reason. Both #tba and mine were online for a long time too.

I already adressed the problem I'm facing with your servers to you earlier:
Your servers are the no1. address new and existing players will join and play on for only one reason: There are always players on it. Being the most popular and active server doesn't make it good though but people will not join empty servers ofc.
Especially now, in a time where more and more players keep leaving the game and rarely new players start to play this game you are in the position to let the game and it's community look good.
Playing on your servers is like playing a new game to me and it's not fun. As I told you once, a lot of people don't even know that scripting exists and might think that your '/mine' to place a mine script is an actual game feature. Having even more weird scripts and admin abusing scripts will make people confuse.

I actually gave you some suggestions few years or months ago but as we can clearly see from your replies especially to Fryer; you obviously don't really care.

Oh fryfry was mad when I used this neat little script to chat with his in-game nick

That pretty much sums it up, I guess.

On the other topic, where one player thought there was a hacker on your server who spawned weapons and kits (which was obviously you), he mentioned that people thought of him as a hacker. It seems you (or whoever it was) didn't seem to make it clear that it was a script being used by an admin.
 There wouldn't have been that reply else.

aimbots aimbots everywhere the paranoia has become reality...

Today on one of the Zabijaka's server there was a guy spawning stat guns and other weapons everywhere. And instead of kicking him out ppl actually wanted to know where to get that hax...

You actually seem to enjoy to leave your players in dark about what you are doing.

Simply that shows horrible conditions on your servers.

[Fryer]

I know where they are coming from but it also seems like I was using those bonuses during serious SCTFL match or something and not on my public servers at night. Fryer kept things bottled up for a while and it finally blew in the form of this thread. Now if someone doesnt know what really happens on my servers (dardar), reading this thread may seem like I take pride in ruining players experience and it couldnt be further from the truth. Fryer could have just mailed me and we would have sorted things out without others even realizing what happened, i've known this guy for years i dont know why he didint shoot me a pm first.

I'm sorry if it seems like I'm just attacking you in public as a first reaction, because that wasn't the intention of the topic, which is why I've tried to keep my own posts here clean from insults and other shit like that. The main reasons I posted the topic in public were because I thought my messages to you on the server and on IRC already made my opinions clear, because I was interested in other peoples' opinions, and because I thought other server owners could find mine and other peoples' opinions interesting/useful. I'm not supporting or agreeing with any hate posts based on nothing but assumptions.

Waiting for more hating posts so I can defend myself. Also waiting for some actual suggestions as to how improve current state of my servers, cause it seems like they are the only one active ctfs left and I'd like to make them all shiny and a highly respected part of publics.

The servers themselves are fine IMO. The only thing I personally dislike is the script on some of the servers that allows you to place mines, but other players seem to enjoy it, so can't really complain much about that.

[Bonecrusher]

@Bonecrusher:

#tba public server was pretty much like a vanilla server. I can't remember any special scripts being on there because when it went offline I tried to make a 1:1 copy of it and I didn't have a lot of scripts on my server back then too (aside of kill-sprees and some balancing and anti-idle scripts + zitrostats if i remember correctly) - However, none of these scripts ever had an impact on the gameplay.

I specifically remember talking to the hoster of tba server on irc and he whining about how tba server was using most ram and hdd out of all the servers he was hosting at the time. I also recall this weird assist script which gave you point whenever you hurt someone(not killing them) and your teammate finished them off. However let's forget old ass servers and focus on nowadays.

I remember both servers were full of talented and well educated players at this time and it rather felt like playing a gather match than on a public server.

You might not notice this but you were younger back then and I suppose many more people seemed more educated than they really were.

You act like your servers are better because they last for 5 years now, but that's not really a good reason. Both #tba and mine were online for a long time too.

I never said my servers were superior. I simply pointed out that if they were so terrible players wouldnt have keep going back to them for 5 freaking years.

I already adressed the problem I'm facing with your servers to you earlier:
Your servers are the no1. address new and existing players will join and play on for only one reason: There are always players on it. Being the most popular and active server doesn't make it good though but people will not join empty servers ofc.
Especially now, in a time where more and more players keep leaving the game and rarely new players start to play this game you are in the position to let the game and it's community look good.
Playing on your servers is like playing a new game to me and it's not fun. As I told you once, a lot of people don't even know that scripting exists and might think that your '/mine' to place a mine script is an actual game feature. Having even more weird scripts and admin abusing scripts will make people confuse.

Okay so what do you think I should do to really earn no1 servers in your eyes? As for the mine script its on only one of the 4 ctfs so please stop from using that reference. As for the scripts having impact on the actual gameplay: my servers don't really use those. Just this one spawn script which I use for fun.

On the other topic, where one player thought there was a hacker on your server who spawned weapons and kits (which was obviously you), he mentioned that people thought of him as a hacker. It seems you (or whoever it was) didn't seem to make it clear that it was a script being used by an admin.
 There wouldn't have been that reply else.

Today on one of the Zabijaka's server there was a guy spawning stat guns and other weapons everywhere. And instead of kicking him out ppl actually wanted to know where to get that hax...

You actually seem to enjoy to leave your players in dark about what you are doing.
Simply that shows horrible conditions on your servers.

As for this instance, let me assure you things were taken care of even before fryer decided to create this topic. It was a case of one of the new admins discovering the spawn command and abusing it. As soon as I read post by Jotemi i went through this specific admin logs on every server and changed the command as well as adminlogs. I do really care for my servers.

If you are really that into soldat servers why you never messaged me wanting to cooperate or something? I could easily host another server.

The servers themselves are fine IMO. The only thing I personally dislike is the script on some of the servers that allows you to place mines, but other players seem to enjoy it, so can't really complain much about that.

It's only on one of the servers and it's ctf2 which has lowest number of slots capped at 8.


Just a little more about current situation. As you might have noticed in my previous posts i mentioned changing the adminlogs on the servers. Well as for today none of the admins tried messaging me for the new passwords. It's not that easy to manage all these servers single handedly. People come and go without as much as an email saying they wont be playing anymore. Really hard to find reliable admins today, you can trust me on that. It's been like that for the past few years so I deserve some fun time with my spawn script.

[Spi.deY]

There are no problems actually with these servers and all rounds are fun with all these players...

Thanks you bonecrusher to keep this game ALIVE

[TheOne]

and thank you much DarDar for keeping this forum alive (:

[Name]

This is a reply to the posts about Zabijaka's admin sandbox script(s) in this topic. I'm posting it here to avoid off-topic discussion.

I've been playing a lot in Zabijaka's servers, mainly because they are the only active ctf servers around currently that don't have any "special" settings. A few weeks ago I was playing in one of the servers with Bonecrusher (server owner), and noticed he was throwing cluster grenades at me. Since bonuses have always been disabled on Zabijaka, I asked if this was something new, to which he answered something about him spawning them in. I expressed disagreement about his actions and left the server, hoping to never see something like that happen again. In a recent post in the before mentioned topic however, he makes it clear that not only is the script still there, but other admins have used them to spawn in stationary guns.

I usually don't mind any weird scripts on servers, given that it has been made clear that such scripts are in effect, and that the server in some way is using those scripts to enable any expected features. I also don't mind new servers experimenting with scripts while figuring them out. What I see here is a server that has been active for over a year, having a large base of players (compared to other servers) expecting certain things from it, that is now enabling admins to do things that give them an obvious gameplay advantage. The scripts are neither advertised at all to the players, nor are they in any way enabling any type of expected features. The way I see it, this makes the usage of them cheating.

To see admins of the most popular public Soldat servers abuse scripts like this is disappointing, and makes the future of public servers look dark. I hope this post can encourage the removal of those scripts from Zabijaka's servers, and perhaps compel other server owners to think twice about which scripts they add to their servers.

TL;DR: Please remove the admin cheat scripts from Zabijaka.

I agree completely with this post.

[Crimson Goth]

I have seen a fellow admin abuse the script as well, but when I nicely asked him to stop he did. I don't care to know of these scripts nor the purpose. I just feel that if you really enjoy the bonuses, stat guns, ect then just enable them on a server. If it was up to me, I'd do it on server #2 since it already has a (ruined) /mine script on it. That's just my two cents.

[Name]

I think it's great to have servers which makes use of scripts in such a way that they are available to every player in a way which makes the scripts a legit part of the game, but admins shouldn't have any benefits compared to other players in regards to playing the game. Nor should anyone else.

[CheeSeMan.]

I like the /mine script =D but not so much when I get accused of hacking when using it

[Izzy Rose (PL)]

Too long. Didn't read.

Small digression by me...
I think that the most important and mostly necessary scripts are:
- !nextmap
- forgive script for friendly fire servers
- gather commands, for example !add, !2v2 and other
- additional 20 kill pts for capturing the flag
- !mine - this is a great script and gives a lot of fun
- !statgun - building statguns for first capture on INF servers
- killing spree script
- !rate - for K/D ratio, it makes some fun to brag before other players on server

Any other scripts are useful for some specific game modes like coop jump tests, trenchwars, rsa...
Moreover, I remember times when most of public servers were unscripted - and the game was playable (really!).