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[video] Just another soldat menu
« on: January 15, 2016, 02:02:51 pm »

Gui concept

Opening screen video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnuNK2CJBXY&feature=youtu.be
- tried to quickly design some mood with sfx and (vietnam war like) music, i think youll get the idea

Clickable prototype: https://invis.io/RF5MB46YT
- had to present it on ipad device :/

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Re: [video] just another soldat menu
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2016, 02:16:39 pm »
Pretty speechless right now.




I think there is a pretty long way to go to implement that into the game (?) but I'd love to see this as a vision where Soldat might go someday. I freaking love it.
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Re: [video] Just another soldat menu
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2016, 03:57:55 pm »
Holy shit...these new menu graphics + hd would bring new life to Soldat, and I'm sure lots of oldies would come back too! I always wanted to see an eye-friendly color scheme and here it is. This is a real gold what you just did here, Sipar. I am absolutely certain that this will bring plenty of new potential players to the game, many will love it and enjoy this game even more than some other games now :) I am sure that with such visual revival Soldat can compete even better with some other 3d shooters. I hope that Sipar's vision is not going to be the next unimportant idea, but the foundation for something great and i really do believe that this can somehow be realised in a short period of time. I will be keeping my fingers crossed for you to succeed in this, Sipar and devs. Maybe you could actually work together and make it done. What i know is that we really need this LIKE NOW! Holy shit, great job, Sipar. Hats off to you

..I'd love to see this as a vision where Soldat might go someday.
People were making some crazy menu revival projects few years ago too but i guess it was not the priority for the devs back then because those ideas disappeared unnoticed(Duz and few other players made some good graphics as well from what i remember). Now we can't really wait and "some day in the future" is not enough when we're on the edge of a death. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the devs. Maybe somehow they could find more free time in their busy schedule to make it possible :]
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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2016, 04:22:27 pm »
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Re: [video] Just another soldat menu
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2016, 05:15:24 pm »
Those icons are pretty good and fit the theme perfectly, did you make them yourself?
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Re: [video] Just another soldat menu
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2016, 06:45:32 pm »
Impressive!


Looks pretty good and has the Soldat vibe.


Really liking this!

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Re: [video] Just another soldat menu
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2016, 07:17:33 pm »
Looks really cool man, great work!

I would suggest not to stick too much to original layout though. In particular, the server list section could use a lot of improvement. Common filters could be placed expanded on top of list (some checkbox or just check-icons). Could have a search filter box aswell. I'd also love a different way to see favorites, like have a heart icon on the list itself that you can click and make those sticky on top. I would divide the list view in 2 parts side by side. On one side you could have a shorter version of current list with most relevant info (server name, players/max, mode, ping). On the other side I would place all the additional detailed information of the server you click (including a player list). I'd probably move the JOIN button to that panel aswell, on top. Maybe a SPEC button aswell (instead of that checkbox which you will forget to uncheck once you checked it). Buttons on bottom I would remove them from there. Refresh could go where you have a "favorites" button. The rest can fuck off :P. Or find a place on top. Of course would need more thought, like how would you join specific IP if you have join button on the details panel, etc. Anyway, random ideas I've had for a while.
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Re: [video] Just another soldat menu
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2016, 09:57:19 pm »
This looks pretty good and is fitting Soldat's style pretty well. However, I don't like the background image.
I'm sure there are a few ppl. willing to donate to devs and I guess that would be something ppl. would possibly want to donate for.



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Re: [video] Just another soldat menu
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2016, 06:53:25 am »
I'm sure there are a few ppl. willing to donate to devs and I guess that would be something ppl. would possibly want to donate for.

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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2016, 07:36:52 am »
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Re: [video] Just another soldat menu
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2016, 09:48:30 am »
Simple and clear gray-ish gui. Fits fine to soldat tho. I'm sure some adjustements are needed but what matters is that this is the right path devs need to follow. Still we need to know what's the style devs are heading for (as Akinaro mentioned b4). How will the final gostek look like? What map remakes will replace defaults? And then the gui has to adapt somehow too in my view.

The money stuff is complicated but I wonder what are MM's thoughts and how is he involved in this nowadays.

And I cant stop laughing when someone say that soldat cant be move to steam because of bugs...
Sometimes I just can't stop laughing when someone thinks that soldat will get instant popularity once it hits steam.

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Re: [video] Just another soldat menu
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2016, 10:31:19 am »
Thanks for sharing this!
You left out the most difficult screens, but it's a start.

Some stuff I noticed:
- Missing server connection info box
- Oddly placed fav checkbox
- Multi screen profile page (not sure if i like that)
- First use popup page (i hope we can leave that out)
- Logo page (im still unsure if we want to force everyone to press a key for no reason)
- Symbols only for game modes (text is always better)
- Vertical scrollbars

What I like:
- Map previews (not sure about the way you get them)
- gostek preview

Btw please stay on topic (talk about the gui) the donation topic continues here: http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=44131.0
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Re: [video] Just another soldat menu
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2016, 10:54:44 am »
Very visually appealing. I like the look. To give one piece of feedback, I personally don't like the background being a screenshot.
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Re: [video] Just another soldat menu
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2016, 11:18:00 am »
This looks really great, I hope Soldat menu can look like this in the near future.

- Symbols only for game modes (text is always better)

I disagree. Smybols are WAY better, they look better, cost less space and they are easy to distinguish. Text is always worse because you must read it. When it comes to server names or map names, sure there is no other way to use text, but there aren't that many game modes, so you should use symbols. Same goes for Advanced / Realistic / Survival. Those really need symbols. "Yes" or "No" for everything is just bad.

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« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2016, 01:51:50 pm »
I disagree. Smybols are WAY better, they look better, cost less space and they are easy to distinguish. Text is always worse because you must read it. When it comes to server names or map names, sure there is no other way to use text, but there aren't that many game modes, so you should use symbols. Same goes for Advanced / Realistic / Survival. Those really need symbols. "Yes" or "No" for everything is just bad.
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Re: [video] Just another soldat menu
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2016, 02:54:55 pm »
I prefer icons over text too but you can also have both. On mouse hover show text or just include the text below of the icons.
It's not that hard to make icons for each of the gamemodes - It has already been made for thousands of other games in the past and ppl. didn't need to struggle to guess why icon stands for which mode.
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« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2016, 05:22:08 am »
There have been tons of threads like this with amazing photoshop mockups for better UIs and better maps and so on. They all receive critical acclaim, even from devs.

But, here's the problem: the ideas and mockups are always ignored by the devs and never taken into consideration, so we're left with the same UI for almost two decades. Not that that's a bad thing; Soldat's simple blocky UI is part of what makes Soldat... Soldat. But maybe urraka can save us all. Hell, he brought us OpenGL.

Good work, btw.
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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2016, 08:03:48 am »
I guess if the mockup was actual deplhi code using OGL...that would make it so much easier.
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Re: [video] Just another soldat menu
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2016, 08:16:48 am »
Why just dont make frame construction of buttons, windows, background and put small config file with info wich options are visible, and then everyone can make his own menu mod using sample graphic,  instead of playing with one specific graphic. that need to be integrated to soldat it self.

And just like I said in other topic, just make base of it, give people guidelines and info what you need, and just wait for it. If people right now doing all that mockup maps and graphic by them self, why dont use it? Its half of work less for devs.

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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2016, 09:38:46 am »
I used to like zitrostats as a stand-alone client for browsing through the statistics on some servers (Leo's Realistic Servers used to have it) although still I always did value certein other things much higher as a teamplayer than the kills and deaths which showed on those stats. Things like protecting flaggers and how quickly you advance are crucial in gamemodes such as CTF and Trenchwars (although not relevant in Deathmatch).

While seeing the value of openly recorded statistics though, I don't think they have to be implemented in the game globally so that all activities of players are being recorded regardless of where and what they play. Certein gamemodes would have no use for it all and it could also be a question of privacy. Some players might prefer to play without always being logged and filed.. and I'm not talking about hackers here.

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« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2016, 10:47:06 am »
In terms of privacy I would not care that much about it. For most of time people give their data for free by them self(via social media), so I dont understand all that crying about privacy.
Even when you are not logged in to FB or google, or any other company, they still gather all data they can, because thats how they make money and give you stuff for free.
But in terms of gaming if you are so afraid of statistic, I have no idea how you use steam, or any modern game even without platform like gog or steam. They all gather data from your PC.  Some platforms even record random voice chats to gather average quality and language. Its nothing weird today.

We can deal with it and block most common IPs on router and firewall like Im doing(google ads, MS update etc) or deal with it and ask for keeping something under the rock just for sake of privacy of few people...


That why I would not mid if soldat would gather so simple data like number of kills, bullet count or even how often I kill specific player. Its not like its would destroy your precious privacy, because there is a difference between collecting game data and looking at your files.
its not like it would be pinned to your home address, you would be just random number like ""32hbh2bkfb2b3wbui3b3298dh2"" for this system.


And even if some game modes doesnt need specific statistic... its still statistic. And people love statistic. Look at it in wider perspective. Think about typical average player. This is what they like and you cant ignore it.
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« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2016, 04:23:28 pm »
In terms of privacy I would not care that much about it. For most of time people give their data for free by them self(via social media), so I dont understand all that crying about privacy.
Even when you are not logged in to FB or google, or any other company, they still gather all data they can, because thats how they make money and give you stuff for free.
But in terms of gaming if you are so afraid of statistic, I have no idea how you use steam, or any modern game even without platform like gog or steam. They all gather data from your PC.  Some platforms even record random voice chats to gather average quality and language. Its nothing weird today.
So basically.. "We are going to make you burn forever in the flames of hell and there's nothing weird in that cause we just saw your penis being cut off while you were suffocated and had your intestents filled up with glue. We are using a very new kind of glue which has absolutely no reduction whatsoever in your ability to see as it doesn't affect the eyes."

As this is normal everything is fine and I have no need to worry? What if I defined "normal" as tearing your eyes out?
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« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2016, 03:08:35 am »
I would like to know what you talking about...
But beside that I think you mixing lotos of thing here, and you actually have no idea how such statistic system would work.

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« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2016, 09:16:39 pm »
Yeah, hopefully devs take this new layout/menu/start-up thing into consideration.

Lots of things they can do.
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Re: [video] Just another soldat menu
« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2016, 09:13:08 am »
I disagree. Smybols are WAY better, they look better, cost less space and they are easy to distinguish. Text is always worse because you must read it. When it comes to server names or map names, sure there is no other way to use text, but there aren't that many game modes, so you should use symbols. Same goes for Advanced / Realistic / Survival. Those really need symbols. "Yes" or "No" for everything is just bad.
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Yeah I agree, anyway it that example the text "Game Mode" already takes a good amound of space, so having a 1 character wide icon for each mode is kind of pointless

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« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2016, 12:03:44 pm »
If only that kind of menu was in soldat :(

There are really (and for years) talented dudes who can make some huge improvements for that old game.

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Re: [video] Just another soldat menu
« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2016, 02:16:50 pm »
Unfortunately, developers are lazy and reluctant to want to add a new code, The whole menu should be dynamic and not as something without comment.
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