Petition to MM: Make Soldat Open Source

[%%%%%%%]

Make it open source, and still release it to Steam

Maybe rethink the release date if there's flexibility in that regard

Most importantly, though: make it open source

Anything short of open source at this point is, frankly, asinine

[Slasher]

Do not talk nonsense and try to help in some way,idiot

Its funny that for all those years, Dominik is only person who actually tried to make something, he made, and most important, update, lots of scripts in this forum.
For all those years of making fun of him, he still here, updating his work, suggesting ideas... and people still would rather make fun of his English instead of looking at it in wider perspective. Picking just one or two post and focusing on them.

For example. What you did Slasher? Really?
What most of people did?

More than half of people here did something long time ago, and beside that nothing, rest of it, is never ending stream of useless talking. They have on this forum respect not for what they did overall, but because of time they spend here, others know them, and that is only thing that give them better place in ranking "who is right".
All people who had ideas, knowledge, and examples of all that where buried under all that discussion of forum veterans that never stop talking.... they talk, and talk, and talk, and nothing is made. And when someone show up with something real, already made or ideas that could be implemented where mocked and annoyed...


So yeah, before you open your mouth Slasher its good to look at something in wider perspective, because you can realize that some people and some things, are not like you though.

You're right, but
Everyone knows what he did, not taking away his impotence, because no one can criticize him? He criticized 5 people and I can not criticize him? If he's criticizing, why does not he do better? rly

[Irlandec]

At the moment, we have reached 305 people amount who have signed the petition. Woah! 

[Michal Marcinkowski]

Hey everyone here's my decision.
I wholeheartedly consider this petition and the need for open sourcing Soldat. I've spoken with Shoozza, Helloer and other people outside of the community for input.
I've decided to open source Soldat *after* the Steam release.

The main arguments for not doing this now are:
1. The first priority is to get people back to playing the game. This is what the game is for and we need to revive a regular playerbase. This is why we are releasing the game for free on Steam. Anything that might hurt this launch will have to wait.
2. Sadly open source might hurt the game. Simply open sourcing the game DOES NOT guarantee that new developers will come and build something (and we need them when new cheats arrive). The only way to get a higher chance of people getting involved in maintaining Soldat, building official branch/forks and anti-cheat protection systems is... getting more players and more attention. Hence Steam release is priority.
After that open source.
I hope we can all understand my decision and why I am very careful here. Still, anyone is welcome on the dev team and can contribute to the game before the source is open.

[Guil TheDamned]

I register back to forums just to say 1 thing.

Ty MM!

This is your intellectual property and you are not forced to go open source at all, but my opinion is that it will help the game or get a better clone of.

Finally, we will have a chance to see someone to create better AI. Before people can go online and feel confident, they should have decent AI to practice with and honestly (no offense), Soldat AI has always been bad and the "bot management" in map editor is almost non-existent.


As soon it will go open source, I will have a look for sure. I am not the best at all for coding but I'll give a try. Main interest for me atm is better AI and new polygons type (such as underwater).


I stopped playing soldat for a long time (started at first public version and stopped at 1.5'ish) because of lack of visual/technical improvements (due to the 20mb file limit you were imposing yourself and for people with slow internet). Version 1.7 gave me some hope back to this game with new visual update and performance update.  Let see what will happen from open source release, pretty excited here.

[daaw]

While open source doesn't guarantee that someone will work more, keeping as it as is also doesn't not guratees anything.

If Soldat doesn't generate income for its developers ....what gives.. game like Ace of space while opensource for years didn't die from cheaters.

You still can do official releases to steam while open source...right..

If you want that something changes you need to fuck shit up! Live like you die!

No cost is too great!

[Mokkun]

While open source doesn't guarantee that someone will work more, keeping as it as is also doesn't not guratees anything.

If Soldat doesn't generate income for its developers ....what gives.. game like Ace of space while opensource for years didn't die from cheaters.

You still can do official releases to steam while open source...right..

If you want that something changes you need to fuck shit up! Live like you die!

No cost is too great!

I think you're mixing up things here, the game you're talking about is Ace of Spades, which was never open source. An open source client was made named "Open Spades" which is compatible with Ace of Spades 0.75, and this is just a client. The server side is still closed source so what you're saying is half true.

The cheating part doesn't always depends on if the game is open sourced or not, it depends a lot on how the game was programmed, Soldat has always struggled with cheaters, Ace of Spades not so much.

It is true that having the source code of a game makes cheats easier because instead of trying to make a cheat with trial and error, you just look at flaws inside the code of the game.

My concern about open source is more about a community split and people that don't agree with each other making their own fork.

[daaw]

Every word I say is true.
Yes, doesn't matter is or isn't Open source for cheats.

Because when we see developers doesn't agree with each other that's not concern us at all.. ....

[Michal Marcinkowski]

Just one more thing. I wrote that we are aiming at the first quarter of 2018. But please take this date very roughly. This isn't so easy and we have to be sure we do this right. So we'll do it when we're confident as soon as possible.

[soldat-game]

I would like to look into the soldat code and add more features  tactiveplayer read/write. And new functions example on playershoot a more more

[soldat-game]

You need to restore the weapon movement system from 1.5 Then the concentration in the air was not effective and barrett dont be op...
And restore move player system from 1.5 plese play on 1.5 version and play now move player system is very different and bad... exhunter create this for fucking climb server...
Restore weaponmod from 1.5, why? Ak is good barrett is good aug dont be op soccom be good hk be good.

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[Snow]

Hey everyone here's my decision.
I wholeheartedly consider this petition and the need for open sourcing Soldat. I've spoken with Shoozza, Helloer and other people outside of the community for input.
I've decided to open source Soldat *after* the Steam release.

The main arguments for not doing this now are:
1. The first priority is to get people back to playing the game. This is what the game is for and we need to revive a regular playerbase. This is why we are releasing the game for free on Steam. Anything that might hurt this launch will have to wait.
2. Sadly open source might hurt the game. Simply open sourcing the game DOES NOT guarantee that new developers will come and build something (and we need them when new cheats arrive). The only way to get a higher chance of people getting involved in maintaining Soldat, building official branch/forks and anti-cheat protection systems is... getting more players and more attention. Hence Steam release is priority.
After that open source.
I hope we can all understand my decision and why I am very careful here. Still, anyone is welcome on the dev team and can contribute to the game before the source is open.

I don't know how on Earth I missed this! I'm against this. After 15 years of Soldat being closed-source, why is there still a call for this? There was plenty of time for a clone with all of the wanted features to be developed. 15 years later there are a lot more engines and resources out there as well. And since no successful clone exists, again, I'll state, that I highly doubt that there are any other devs or teams (other than Shoozza and his crew) that would be committed enough to take on the game, or another version of it, maintain it, maintain the networking aspect of it, maintain the community around it (or a new one around it), maintain bugfixes and updates, and possibly also maintain a new website.

The other thing is, hackers and cheaters are out there. They're very slimy, and any chance they get, they'll find a way to ruin the game.

If Soldat had decent competing clones right now, then I could have faith that there were dedicated developers out there who could work with the open-source code and surprise the community. I don't see this happening. I think in 2020, we'll be looking back at the past 2 years and see what has become of the open-source release and not much will have changed. I could be completely wrong. I'm well aware that open-source would mean, the community could get features they want. But as I stated earlier, it comes with ALL of the extra baggage that needs to be maintained on a consistent level.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents. I know many will disagree, but I hope what I say is considered at least.

[soldat-game]

will be Soldat-Zombie Soucre (Falcon), Soldat-Trenchwar Soucre(dominik), Soldat-DayzMod (I tried to do the script but without the graphics it would be hopeless), Soldat-Creators Soucre(all creators they will try to make these games more modular)