Do you like current state of the development?

[Nedi]

He said I shouldn't let the negative 0.1% of the community bring me down.

I am just curious how many people we have in soldat right now. The number of negative votes multiply by 1000 and voila.

[Ekscalibur]

Hmm interesting topic but let me warn you , the topic suddenly might get closed.

[Nedi]

Yeah, please no negative comments here. This thread is only for statistical purposes.

[koooka]

so we have at least 11000 players, wow

[machina]

Well, we could get an actual number of players by counting all unique IPs those have requested a server list for last 4 weeks. This should give an accurate player count.

Also, note that everyone who gives a shit about Soldat is actually on this forums and pops in frequently enough. Then, the result of this poll is foreseeable. One could also assume that every active player (i.e. from these who play Soldat but don't log in to forums) who didn't cast a vote here sees Soldat's development okay.

TL;DR get no. of votes saying "no" and divide it by the no. of active players (jrgp could manage it if really wanted to) and you get your percentage answer accurately.

Still, if it was 0.1% (that was randomly told by Shoozza/MM), we would require 15000 players at the very moment which is a lot xD I bet there's like 200-300 unique players a month.

[Moroes]

I can see it fluctuating and stabilizing at 0.1% later. All the polls indicate such result.

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[Akinaro]

Dont forget that not much players even know about this forum or they just dont visit it. Its a matter of going to any server or other site and ask to get some additional statistics. Then you will get really nice opinions from people who actually still play this game :]

[Ygrek Starmagedon]

I'm playing Soldat on multiplayer for about 7 years and there were only 2 things that really changed : graphics and the amount of players...

[L[0ne]R]

I don't like the current state of development either, but the main question is - what are the other options? I can't think of anything realistic. Maybe giving Shoozza less shit for work he's not required to do and gets nothing in return for, to take off some of the pressure, bring back some of his passion and motivation. But at this point I wouldn't even call that realistic. Too much damage is already done.

[Nedi]

I don't like the current state of development either, but the main question is - what are the other options?

Making soldat open source.

[L[0ne]R]

I don't like the current state of development either, but the main question is - what are the other options?

Making soldat open source.

Which is already planned, i.e. it's "current state of development".

[urraka]

I don't like the current state of development either, but the main question is - what are the other options?

Making soldat open source.

Which is already planned, i.e. it's "current state of development".

Planned for like 8 years... The current state of development is that little and nothing is getting done. Or why do you think there are no devlog updates or any sort of reports on progress?. As for what other options are there, they could start by acknowledging that there is a problem. Shoozza either has no enough time or no motivation to work on Soldat. I urge him to correct me if I'm wrong. More active people is needed on the programming side and as we stand there are barriers in contributing. You have to reach them out requesting to let you in and sign some license agreement, if they judge you to be worthy enough to join the team. Nobody is likely to do that if all they want is to get a glance at the code and see if they can make some changes here and there, fix this or that. It takes some sense of commitment to go that far. Then there's the fact that it's not your game so you're not really free to make changes as you like. Everything has to go through the lead dev's opinion and he (or MM) will have the final word. You're not free to share builds with other people so whatever changes you make will have to wait forever until there is an official release. And there's always that odd sour feeling that you're working for free on a closed proprietary project, with no freedom for doing with it as you please. Soldat has been maintained almost exclusively by the community for years now (Shoozza is included here). It's past time we had it released as open source. Helloer did everything that was required for the code to be able to go open source, from a legal point of view. So what is the excuse to keep delaying it? "After steam" they promised, but how long do we really have to wait for that?. So these are the options I see: 1) Continue as now and nothing happens for an undetermined amount of time. 2) Open source it and let it take off like a bird. Freedom and hope!

[Nedi]

I don't like the current state of development either, but the main question is - what are the other options?

Making soldat open source.

Which is already planned, i.e. it's "current state of development".

It is. But when will it happen? As helloer has mentioned in the other thread, Shoozza had told him it wouldn't get open sourced before we have an anti cheat and I believe everyone knows what that does mean. Noone is going to make it for free in a closed project and one man can't do everything alone in a reasonable amount of time like PerroAZUL has said.

[L[0ne]R]

It is. But when will it happen? As helloer has mentioned in the other thread, Shoozza had told him it wouldn't get open sourced before we have an anti cheat and I believe everyone knows what that does mean. Noone is going to make it for free in a closed project and one man can't do everything alone in a reasonable amount of time like PerroAZUL has said.

AFAIK open-sourcing was planned right after the Steam release, no mention about mandatory anti-cheat. Correct me if I'm wrong on that (ideally with a link to the source comment).

Planned for like 8 years... The current state of development is that little and nothing is getting done. Or why do you think there are no devlog updates or any sort of reports on progress?. As for what other options are there, they could start by acknowledging that there is a problem. Shoozza either has no enough time or no motivation to work on Soldat. I urge him to correct me if I'm wrong. More active people is needed on the programming side and as we stand there are barriers in contributing. You have to reach them out requesting to let you in and sign some license agreement, if they judge you to be worthy enough to join the team. Nobody is likely to do that if all they want is to get a glance at the code and see if they can make some changes here and there, fix this or that. It takes some sense of commitment to go that far. Then there's the fact that it's not your game so you're not really free to make changes as you like. Everything has to go through the lead dev's opinion and he (or MM) will have the final word. You're not free to share builds with other people so whatever changes you make will have to wait forever until there is an official release. And there's always that odd sour feeling that you're working for free on a closed proprietary project, with no freedom for doing with it as you please. Soldat has been maintained almost exclusively by the community for years now (Shoozza is included here). It's past time we had it released as open source. Helloer did everything that was required for the code to be able to go open source, from a legal point of view. So what is the excuse to keep delaying it? "After steam" they promised, but how long do we really have to wait for that?. So these are the options I see: 1) Continue as now and nothing happens for an undetermined amount of time. 2) Open source it and let it take off like a bird. Freedom and hope!

There will never be "freedom to do as you please", it still won't be "your game". You still need the approval of the rest of the Soldat community (which is known to viciously disagree on a lot of things), which will be even harder without a leader. Either someone will still need to maintain some sort of control over Soldat to keep it from becoming an incoherent mess, or it may become an incoherent mess, if not malware.

Nobody knows for a fact that it will "take off like a bird". Open-sourcing will only eliminate some of the barriers (while also introducing new challenges), but there's plenty of others that will remain.

"After steam" they promised, but how long do we really have to wait for that?

Personally, I'd give it another couple of weeks. Even with a solid dev team the delays aren't uncommon. If it's still not on Steam by then - then I agree, just make the source public and let it take its course.

[Nedi]

It is. But when will it happen? As helloer has mentioned in the other thread, Shoozza had told him it wouldn't get open sourced before we have an anti cheat and I believe everyone knows what that does mean. Noone is going to make it for free in a closed project and one man can't do everything alone in a reasonable amount of time like PerroAZUL has said.

AFAIK open-sourcing was planned right after the Steam release, no mention about mandatory anti-cheat. Correct me if I'm wrong on that (ideally with a link to the source comment).

AFAIK Steam release was planned on 21.12, over 1 month ago and we still don't have any information about what has been already done during that delay and how long we have to wait more. And also we were promised Soldat would get released in January. Guess what? It was a lie... again. Postponed again but this time without any official information.

[machina]

we were promised Soldat would get released in January. Quess what? It was a lie... again. Postponed again but this time without any official information.

Who said it's postponed from January? There was no such official information confirmed on this forums by anyone responsible for Soldat.

[L[0ne]R]

AFAIK Steam release was planned on 21.12, over 1 month ago and we still don't have any information about what has been already done during that delay and how long we have to wait more. And also we were promised Soldat would get released in January. Quess what? It was a lie... again. Postponed again but this time without any official information.

No amount of complaining is going to change that for the better, but it is changing it for the worse. Constant drama and pressure from the community is one of the main reasons why there's no "official information". Shoozza certainly is far from perfect in having such thin skin, but community's response isn't part of the solution either. You either help do the work, or you deal with it, wait quietly and try to not be part of the problem.

we were promised Soldat would get released in January. Quess what? It was a lie... again. Postponed again but this time without any official information.

Who said it's postponed from January? There was no such official information confirmed on this forums by anyone responsible for Soldat.

Nothing official was announced, but considering we only have 3 days left (if you include today) - it's not unreasonable to assume the release won't happen in January.

[Moroes]

The steam release was delayed to (end of) January but considering progress on my part and on the trailer/art I wouldn't necessary bet on it :/
I'm currently struggling to open up enough quality free time to make development progress in a pace that doesn't disappoint me and everyone else.

That's pretty official, not the exact date but it kinda says that the January release isn't going to happen and AFAIK there haven't been any changes done to the steam page since May 2017 or so. Idk how's the trailer thing but MM hasn't posted anything about it.
People have been quiet all those years without posting so-called dramas. Now they just feel that the game might've really suffered from poor development. But yea, it's just 0,1% of players, no big deal.

[Nedi]

No amount of complaining is going to change that for the better, but it is changing it for the worse. Constant drama and pressure from the community is one of the main reasons why there's no "official information". Shoozza certainly is far from perfect in having such thin skin, but community's response isn't part of the solution either. You either help do the work, or you deal with it, wait quietly and try to not be part of the problem.

In fact there wasn't any "drama" until december. We have been waiting quietly for the big release but nothing has happened. Also according to your answer we should accept the problem rather than discuss it. Right?

Moreover, if he once says he will be doing devlogs weekly and then he doesn't write them for 2 months while having a rough deadline it feels like he stopped working, doesn't it? And when the only developer stops working, people start looking for alternatives. Is it bad, we want soldat to be a great game?

If that's such a big deal for Shoozza, I can write devlogs every week. He just needs to tell me what he had done. I'll spend these 10 minutes per week.

[Akinaro]

No amount of complaining is going to change that for the better, but it is changing it for the worse. Constant drama and pressure from the community is one of the main reasons why there's no "official information". Shoozza certainly is far from perfect in having such thin skin, but community's response isn't part of the solution either.

There is no official informations because development of Soldat is a mess. This "Drama" is response of that not reason.

MM and all devs had years to prepare proper methods of developing Soldat, they years to fix and prepare Soldat for major changes. Dont put that failure on player shoulders, it was not our fault.
It was fault of MM for pissing on his own work that literally put him where he is now, it was his fault for not looking up properly on state of game for all those years, and it was Shoozza fault, because he was main dev for most of that time.
Even spaghetti soldat code cant be excuse for lazy development because we talk here about years of work. Soldat players in this time literally finished schools, got families, create their own things even if they work in the same time. So no one should even mentioned that in that period of time it could not be fixed.

Also stop calling it drama, its called reality.

You either help do the work, or you deal with it, wait quietly and try to not be part of the problem.

People wanted to help for years, and for past years you had tons of people, ideas, arts, maps, graphics, scripts, concepts and help suggestions. So tell me how the hell "you help do the work" if for all those years none was used, and dev team was constantly rotating the same people over and over, and it was never proper team, it was just bunch of friends who do random stuff in random time = no planing and proper development at all.


Also dont you dear tell all those people to "wait quietly". They waited for years. They waited, they where patient but now when there is maybe 50 people lefts no one give a crap about being polite. You screwed = you need to deal with it.

Who said it's postponed from January? There was no such official information confirmed on this forums by anyone responsible for Soldat.

Here.

The steam release was delayed to (end of) January but considering progress on my part and on the trailer/art I wouldn't necessary bet on it :/
I'm currently struggling to open up enough quality free time to make development progress in a pace that doesn't disappoint me and everyone else.

And yes, it was only suggested date, but its perfectly show how bad current development look: There is just one guy who do the work, and pseudo team behind him that talk a lot but dont do anything and MM behind the wall laughing his as off. Yes its not 100% Shoozza fault, but he and MM are responsible for all those delays, blocking other people help and ideas and they are responsible for lack of progress for all those years. If Im wrong and there is some third ""Dark Mysterious Villain"" pulling the strings and blocking Soldat development for all those years, please enlighten us about it.

Also one of reason of delayed release is lack of trailer/art?
Why?
Because none of them say what they really want. Soldat lost his chance to use community to help long time ago, but you can still get "some help" as far as you say what you need.
No one from remaining people here gonna spend time creating 100 versions of trailers or graphics and wait if devs choose something from it.

[duz]

@Shoozza

How difficult is to start? Damn! Everything here looks a nightmare.
Start with a team to deal with the maps, then you'll start getting the pressure off your shoulder and you gonna focus on what's you are better, coding.

Someone you know could lead this team? Maybe L[one]R (idk if he's interested, just an example).
Then he gonna open a topic asking for helpers. He gonna check the player's past, you know, if he was a league admin or a good player, if he's a known map maker, if he has time for it etc. Let the team leader decide who's capable for the role.

The team gonna discuss with the community about removing, picking or changing maps. You'll have all the cons and pros arguments in some topics.
Before any discussion, make yourself clear about limitations (if you have), like if you disagree in removing 50% of the maps or changing layouts entirely losing identity etc, you know, these things.
You can have the final decision over it. DONE.
Easier than doing all the job by yourself.


You can also set a team to decide some major goals instead of starting that kind of stupid pool.
I'm an experienced player but I don't wanna be consulted about those things. You should be pointing the development to a target, but you don't even have these priorities in your mind.
So let the people that is wasting their time playing this game for ages decide, instead of being stuck like you are, wasting your time.

What's the difference in having a team for it? You're aiming something that makes sense. Correlation between decisions/accomplishments instead of this poll mess.
You have a lot of votes in the poll that should have less weight than others. Like people with 8k hours with the same vote weight than players with 1k hours. Some retired players vs who still competing vs 101% casual players etc. Even a guy with bad intentions could vote.

If you're taking decisions based on your poll, you should at least think about this poll result, 40-4. Looks like there's something wrong, nah?

[L[0ne]R]

In fact there wasn't any "drama" until december. We have been waiting quietly for the big release but nothing has happened. Also according to your answer we should accept the problem rather than discuss it. Right?

Look at how much the plans has been dumbed down. It went from "make v1.8 with new UI and a bunch of other stuff" to "just make 1.7.2 that's stable enough to release on Steam, then open-source it and forget it". There's nothing left to "discuss". It just needs to be done.

Like I said - if you want to make things better - join the team and do the work. And this is something people don't seem to understand - it's *work*. It's not fun times where you get to add all sorts of features you ever dreamed of having in Soldat while ignoring anything that isn't part of the gameplay. *Especially* not in this version which has *nothing* to do with gameplay, so it's extra boring and tedious. The second people are faced with the idea of signing an NDA, meeting guidelines, following rules, coordinating with the rest of the dev team - they get turned off and complain that it's "too hard".

I get it, those people do have a point. We need to make that process easier, and from what I understand - this is the current goal. It's already being worked towards, but you have to bear with what we've got for now. I don't see any alternatives other than being patient until it's done.

If anyone is serious about helping - contact Shoozza or ask me and I'll relay a message to him, and hopefully you can speed up the process.

Moreover, if he once says he will be doing devlogs weekly and then he doesn't write them for 2 months while having a rough deadline it feels like he stopped working, doesn't it?

He certainly should work on his communication, not arguing here.

EDIT: Heck, I'm fully willing to write devlogs myself too, maybe help with other PR stuff. I'm just not as nice as Shoozza, so I'm not sure how well I'd do.

If that's such a big deal for Shoozza, I can write devlogs every week. He just needs to tell me what he had done. I'll spend these 10 minutes per week.

I asked Shoozza something similar. The answer was simply that not enough was done to write about.

[Viral]

You are missing the point there were people willing to help and even did help, like helloer. And considering the ammount of work he did compared to the rest of the devteam, he was the one putting the most (or even the only one) of the work. So now that we face the same situation with nonexistant progress a lot of people can get mad at both MM, for giving Shoozza the "power" and Shoozza for yet again doing nothing, when we could've had some steps taken towards open-source soldat and/or hopefully get some people who are actually willing to do something.
 
Now you have a main dev sobbing, because people are full of his unfulfilled promises, no creative people, that i know, willing to work with him in a team (him getting voted out of devteam proves that). Now think about your "join the team and do something" and tell me how stupid one could be to jump into this once again?

It's the same joke if you look at the map team. I spent my time doing exactly what i was asked to by the rest (basically monsteri) just to hear he won't release any of the maps, because he expects to earn something from this dead shit game. I guess noone bothered to sort this kind of things beforehand, but on the other hand, I'd not expect someone to ask for money in a voluntary work myself. Are you expecting me to yet again spend hours doing the most boring thing in the word (preparing maps for monsteri so he can do the visual etc. in the meantime) and get fucked in the end?

[L[0ne]R]

@duz: what you're talking about has basically been done. The "map team" was small to begin with and then fell apart completely because the person leading it didn't get his way. I'd love to get back in but it's a lot of time and effort that I don't have a lot to spare, especially knowing it might not get anywhere.

@Viral: I get it, those are the problems we're faced with. Solution may be, as you say, open-sourcing, and it's closer to becoming a reality than it's ever been. So my question is: how do we get there faster?

[Viral]

It was closer when Shoozza could finally admit to MM he is not going to do pretty much anything so maybe MM would consider opensourcing it and maybe by now we wouldve had OSSoldat with some progress running. I think you should ask the devs or MM how are they going to get there faster, because it was solely their idea to go this "path to nowhere" at the first place.

[Nedi]

Look at how much the plans has been dumbed down. It went from "make v1.8 with new UI and a bunch of other stuff" to "just make 1.7.2 that's stable enough to release on Steam, then open-source it and forget it". There's nothing left to "discuss". It just needs to be done.

Forget it? Open source is our only way to revive this game from stale and lazy development right now. Because even you have to agree that working alone on a big project like Soldat is ridiculous. BTW open-source equals faster 1.8.

Like I said - if you want to make things better - join the team and do the work. And this is something people don't seem to understand - it's *work*. It's not fun times where you get to add all sorts of features you ever dreamed of having in Soldat while ignoring anything that isn't part of the gameplay. *Especially* not in this version which has *nothing* to do with gameplay, so it's extra boring and tedious.

People offered help many times and what? I heard they only had problems with communicating to Shoozza. Like for example waiting a month for an answer.

The second people are faced with the idea of signing an NDA, meeting guidelines, following rules, coordinating with the rest of the dev team - they get turned off and complain that it's "too hard".

I get it, those people do have a point. We need to make that process easier, and from what I understand - this is the current goal. It's already being worked towards, but you have to bear with what we've got for now. I don't see any alternatives other than being patient until it's done.

There is an alternative actually. Shoozza wanted to prove something but he failed and now he has to admit it and tell MM that he isn't capable of doing this work ALONE. And then MM will hopefully re-consider making Soldat open-source.

[Ygrek Starmagedon]

No one from remaining people here gonna spend time creating 100 versions of trailers or graphics and wait if devs choose something from it.

We all know that they wouldn't even use any of those if smth was created.

[L[0ne]R]

Forget it? Open source is our only way to revive this game from stale and lazy development right now. Because even you have to agree that working alone on a big project like Soldat is ridiculous. BTW open-source equals faster 1.8.

"Forget it" in the sense that MM and Shoozza can get it off their shoulders and leave the development entirely up to the community. (Though we'd still need some sort of leading dev who compiles and uploads new versions to Steam).

People offered help many times and what? I heard they only had problems with communicating to Shoozza. Like for example waiting a month for an answer.

Well I don't know what you've heard, but my personal experience was pretty different. I offered to help with the UI and was later invited to brainstorm and work on prototypes. I offered to work on maps and graphics and was later invited to work on HD remake. Today I offered to help with devlogs and communication and seems like that will be a thing now too. Maybe it's different with actual programming, I don't know. From what I heard from jrgp(maybe?), it's not much more complicated either.

There is an alternative actually. Shoozza wanted to prove something but he failed and now he has to admit it and tell MM that he isn't capable of doing this work ALONE. And then MM will hopefully re-consider making Soldat open-source.

It sounds like you're just inserting your own fantasy into the situation. Shoozza wanting to prove something? MM re-considering making Soldat open-source? I thought you wanted Soldat to be OS, now you don't? I'm confused.

[Nedi]

"Forget it" in the sense that MM and Shoozza can get it off their shoulders and leave the development entirely up to the community. (Though we'd still need some sort of leading dev who compiles and uploads new versions to Steam).

Shoozza still can continue developing. And if he wants to, as a lead developer.

It sounds like you're just inserting your own fantasy into the situation. Shoozza wanting to prove something?

Yes, it is my personal opinion and it is probably irrelevant here but i think i'm not the only one who thinks like that after seeing what Shoozza has done and said. (Look at the poll results in this thread and also the ones provided in Moroes' answer)

MM re-considering making Soldat open-source? I thought you wanted Soldat to be OS, now you don't? I'm confused.

Re-considering making Soldat open-source before steam release. Because why do we have to wait if we can only benefit from that? There are people who are waiting for it to join the team and contribute, why not make it now and with a bigger team release Soldat on steam faster? Additionally, I can be quiet and wait for it but tell me, how long? Another quarter of year? Maybe a few years? Even if Shoozza told everyone the date again how can we believe it if he had already lied to us 2 times?

[Ygrek Starmagedon]

Is open sourcing hard to make happen? If not just do it, and then postpone Steam release to like idk, maybe 29 of February (yes, I said it again xd) and work hard on v1.8. You will have far enough time to create big dev team that's gonna get along, plan what everyone's gonna do and everyone's gonna just fckn do their work and make it.

[Nedi]

Is open sourcing hard to make happen?

No.

[L[0ne]R]

Re-considering making Soldat open-source before steam release. Because why do we have to wait if we can only benefit from that? There are people who are waiting for it to join the team and contribute, why not make it now and with a bigger team release Soldat on steam faster?

Ah, I see what you mean, good point. I'll see if I can find some answers.

Additionally, I can be quiet and wait for it but tell me, how long? Another quarter of year? Maybe a few years? Even if Shoozza told everyone the date again how can we believe it if he had already lied to us 2 times?

Half a month. Sounds reasonable to me.

"Lying" implies deliberately making false statements. The first delay was actually requested by the community, no sense in blaming Shoozza for it. This delay is just a broken promise. Not a good thing, but not a lie.

Is open sourcing hard to make happen?

No.

Is that also your personal opinion?

[Nedi]

Half a month. Sounds reasonable to me.

I can wait half a month but how sure are you about that speculation? And what after that time if it fails again? We will again shout and there will be that one guy who tells everybody to wait a bit more.

Is open sourcing hard to make happen?

No.

Is that also your personal opinion?

No:

soldat now uses only open source libraries

So now MM has to choose a licence and there aren't many possibilities. Then, finally, publish code. Or did i forget about something relevant?

[ginn]

If we're gonna be real now though...

You guys could just start a new game. Soldat is in pascal and you'll need to go through so many hoops to accomplish anything when working on soldat source code.

[Guil TheDamned]

Pascal is just another language, the base is the same.

[L[0ne]R]

Half a month. Sounds reasonable to me.

I can wait half a month but how sure are you about that speculation? And what after that time if it fails again? We will again shout and there will be that one guy who tells everybody to wait a bit more.

I'm not sure about it at all, I just think it's a reasonable timeframe to finish the Steam release (based purely on my uninformed guesstimate). If after that time it fails again - then sure, shout and wave your pitchforks. If there will be someone telling you to wait a bit more - it probably won't be me.

No:

soldat now uses only open source libraries

So now MM has to choose a licence and there aren't many possibilities. Then, finally, publish code. Or did i forget about something relevant?

The fact that Soldat only uses open-source libraries doesn't mean open-sourcing is easy. There may still be elements that need to be removed / changed before open-sourcing (like all the registration and shareware elements). There may be more licensing difficulties and possibilities that you're not aware of that make the matter more complicated. You also don't just dump out the code into pastebin. It needs to be set up on a proper platform. So yes, you probably forgot something relevant.

[Nedi]

I'm not sure about it at all, I just think it's a reasonable timeframe to finish the Steam release (based purely on my uninformed guesstimate). If after that time it fails again - then sure, shout and wave your pitchforks. If there will be someone telling you to wait a bit more - it probably won't be me.

Let's wait for MM's answer on "Dear MM" thread.

The fact that Soldat only uses open-source libraries doesn't mean open-sourcing is easy. There may still be elements that need to be removed / changed before open-sourcing (like all the registration and shareware elements).

Yea, there may be needed some cleaning but, however, I've heard helloer had prepared almost everything(if not everything) to go open source.

There may be more licensing difficulties and possibilities that you're not aware of that make the matter more complicated.

You may be right here.

You also don't just dump out the code into pastebin. It needs to be set up on a proper platform.

You just dump out the code into GitHub or other platform once everything else is ready.

[darDar]

The fact that Soldat only uses open-source libraries doesn't mean open-sourcing is easy. There may still be elements that need to be removed / changed before open-sourcing (like all the registration and shareware elements).

Yea, there may be needed some cleaning but, however, I've heard helloer had prepared almost everything(if not everything) to go open source.

helloer has prepared pretty much everything to make soldat open-source, yes.. Soldat is ready for that step..

[machina]

You also don't just dump out the code into pastebin. It needs to be set up on a proper platform.

You just dump out the code into GitHub or other platform once everything else is ready.

It should be GitHub. Fuck BitBucket and other things like that, really...

[jrgp]

You also don't just dump out the code into pastebin. It needs to be set up on a proper platform.

You just dump out the code into GitHub or other platform once everything else is ready.

It should be GitHub. Fuck BitBucket and other things like that, really...

I agree. GitHub is the colloquial, de-facto, standard method for open source contributions on the internet and it has been for a long time. Very few people/projects use bitbucket and others.

[Akinaro]

Take it easy Viral, Dominik is known for hacking but also its one of maybe 3-4 people who actually cared to keep making scripts for Soldat for past years when everyone else run away AND MOST IMPORTANT, he update and fix lots of scripts that where old and dumped by authors.

Yes, some of scripts are not write in clean way, and some of his own scripts are bloated with not so useful features, but find me other person who still do it.
Not to mention that most of people who complain about his scripting methods didnt do shit for years. Plus like old Polish saying go: "Zapomniał woł jak cielęciem był". Everyone now are experts and instead of helping and pointing out bugs, they complain like old hags in shopping line.
Not to mention that most of them make fun of him because he dont speak English properly and just because of that, they treat his work he do as joke... F such people, seriously.
I really hate when people judge people by some old stupid things or post, not focusing on actual work some people do. And I dont talk here only about Dominik, I really dont care about him as person, but you cant not notice and remember work he made, or at least tried to make.


And hacking? Yeah. Show me person who didnt tried that. Hell I even spend some time looking for holes in Soldat using Cheat Engine. Most of people who get into programming started with hax, just like Shoozza.

But Shoozza now is main dev, and dominik is still just a player that still play with programming and game. And trust me he is not alone who still play with Soldat guts and look for holes. Difference is that he is on forum so people can make fun of him here.


Yeah, its hypocrisy that he bring shoozza old hacking history when he is not different, but instead of making fun from him again, maybe we could focus on his point? Because how we can be sure that Shoozza didnt ""played"" too much with Soldat even if its really nothing big at all, but now its one of tiny little reason why he is quiet?
Its probably not true, and its just some random comments/trash code, but still point is there...

[soldat-game]

Shoozza is afraid because it has spyware functions implemented in the new soldat. Shoozza is old hacker! And devs? hahaha
From hack soldat 1.8+ Search code:
0x100690bc:   20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20  20 43 6f 79 6f 74 65 20   |        .. |  "      ..   soldat-game\x00"
0x100690cc:   20 2e 20 20 53 68 6f 6f  7a 7a 61 00 00            | .  soldat-game..   |
0x1000e0a6:   68 bc 90 06 10                    push 0x100690bc ;  "         ..  .  soldat-game\x00"
All hack creators:
soldat-game, soldat-game, soldat-game, soldat-game, soldat-game, soldat-game, soldat-game, soldat-game, soldat-game

But the pain of my ass, what a big smile on my face it causes This same be with donald trump, first ridiculing then ingnoring then fighting, at the end of doing something just to hurt anything (hahaha) at the end you will lose 

[jrgp]

Deleted some hacking posts... don't post names of hack developers.

[soldat-game]

Akinaro see it again fucking a bunch of buddies work among themselves. how people would dig, who would where when. If they found out who is now managing the soldat devs hahahahaahhaha

ahh and polifem

jrgp fucking sissy, provide the legal basis to delete my posts above.

[jrgp]

jrgp fucking sissy, provide the legal basis to delete my posts above.

Legal basis is the forum rules clearly state to *NOT* talk about hackers: https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?action=help#hacks

[Akinaro]

Legal basis is the forum rules clearly state to *NOT* talk about hackers: https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?action=help#hacks

In that case, please fallow your own rules and remove those post and topics:
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=40167.msg493461#msg493461
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=20609.msg236532#msg236532
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=43563.msg524207#msg524207
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=35753.msg431150#msg431150
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=36361.msg440311#msg440311
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=37511.msg530974
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=938.msg10198#msg10198
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=39129.msg479740#msg479740
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=15074.msg170818#msg170818
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=43209.msg517071#msg517071
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=38999.msg478630#msg478630
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=8771.msg100645#msg100645

Or just simply type in forum search "hackers", you will get about 19 pages of topic that CLEARLY TALK about hackers and cheats.
People mentioned in those topic clearly break rule:

Do not post to tell us about some encounter with a hacker, and do not name any hackers, hacks, or say anything about details. We know hacks exists, and the people who can are doing things to bring hacking to an end.

Also I can give you list of users who at least 2 times CLEARLY TALK about hacking, some of them even mention nicks.
They start from Enesce, Bonecrusher, Shoozza ending in you jrgp and many, many other forum user.

If you want to fallow rules so much, apply those rules to EVERYONE, no matter of situation or "status" of that person not just few users.

Because if you fallow this rule, Shoozza you, Bonecrusher or few other active users should be permanently banned, as rule it self say:

Any members doing the above will be banned from the forum. Forever! Any members found to be affiliated with any hacking groups will be immediately banned.

Now tell me how the hell Shoozza is still on this forum if he is known for using AND creating hax in the past?

C'mon, please, fallow the rules and explain us this.

[soldat-game]

Akinaro true true true and jrgp viral nedi and more other must be ban, for breaking the rules of the forum, for creating higher groups than other groups of people, for libel me and a few others, for calling for hatred against my person. For creating negative feedback and creating a negative opinion of the creator of the hack in soldat.

Dla polaczkow, ponieważ głownie to polaczki tu tak wojują pragnę poinformować aby zapoznać się z Art. 212. kodeksu karnego

[jrgp]

Akinaro/soldat-game please get reasonable. The last thing the community needs right now is staff going ban and delete happy. What triggered me about that post is you named hack developers, rather than just anecdotes about hackers ruining games.

Also, do you really not have anything better to do than compile a list to prove a point that staff has been lax on that rule ?

This thread is supposed to be talking about development. I guess I?m just feeding a troll by giving a real reply here.

[machina]

In that case, please fallow your own rules and remove those post and topics:
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=40167.msg493461#msg493461
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=20609.msg236532#msg236532
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=43563.msg524207#msg524207
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=35753.msg431150#msg431150
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=36361.msg440311#msg440311
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=37511.msg530974
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=938.msg10198#msg10198
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=39129.msg479740#msg479740
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=15074.msg170818#msg170818
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=43209.msg517071#msg517071
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=38999.msg478630#msg478630
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=8771.msg100645#msg100645

Or just simply type in forum search "hackers", you will get about 19 pages of topic that CLEARLY TALK about hackers and cheats.
People mentioned in those topic clearly break rule:

Do not post to tell us about some encounter with a hacker, and do not name any hackers, hacks, or say anything about details. We know hacks exists, and the people who can are doing things to bring hacking to an end.

I checked few of those links which you posted and names of cheat creators are not mentioned there so the possible damage it can cause it much lower. Naming those could lead someone to those hacks (by Google'ing for example).

Dla polaczkow, ponieważ głownie to polaczki tu tak wojują pragnę poinformować aby zapoznać się z Art. 212. kodeksu karnego

Just shut the fuck up plz. And fuck you. You think anyone is gonna stop writing what one thinks just because you threaten them with a jail sentence? Fuck you.

[soldat-game]

In that case, please fallow your own rules and remove those post and topics:
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=40167.msg493461#msg493461
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=20609.msg236532#msg236532
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=43563.msg524207#msg524207
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=35753.msg431150#msg431150
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=36361.msg440311#msg440311
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=37511.msg530974
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=938.msg10198#msg10198
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=39129.msg479740#msg479740
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=15074.msg170818#msg170818
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=43209.msg517071#msg517071
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=38999.msg478630#msg478630
https://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=8771.msg100645#msg100645

Or just simply type in forum search "hackers", you will get about 19 pages of topic that CLEARLY TALK about hackers and cheats.
People mentioned in those topic clearly break rule:

Do not post to tell us about some encounter with a hacker, and do not name any hackers, hacks, or say anything about details. We know hacks exists, and the people who can are doing things to bring hacking to an end.

I checked few of those links which you posted and names of cheat creators are not mentioned there so the possible damage it can cause it much lower. Naming those could lead someone to those hacks (by Google'ing for example).

Dla polaczkow, ponieważ głownie to polaczki tu tak wojują pragnę poinformować aby zapoznać się z Art. 212. kodeksu karnego

Just shut the fuck up plz. And fuck you. You think anyone is gonna stop writing what one thinks just because you threaten them with a jail sentence? Fuck you.

Rules part:
Do not post cheats, hacks or cracks here!
Do not post cheats for soldat, links to cheating sites or ask for cheats. Don't even try to justify the modification of soldat in unauthorised manners. Keep in mind this is the Official forums for the entire game, we do not condone anything of the sort. In fact, if you even use hacks in the game, just get out.

Do not post to tell us about some encounter with a hacker, and do not name any hackers, hacks, or say anything about details. We know hacks exists, and the people who can are doing things to bring hacking to an end.

Any members doing the above will be banned from the forum. Forever! Any members found to be affiliated with any hacking groups will be immediately banned.

Failure to comply with regulations by administrators, who are not the legal owners of a public entity (soldat) they should stop performing their activities.
Soldat dead by all devs all all all create soldat created a soldat for his servers... player suggestions have been lost for so many years and you did it only under yourself.  Let's face the truth! All players what you already know who you are and are not your friends, they do not want you anymore! Why in times EnEsCe were the most players? the most creators?

[Guil TheDamned]

I think they should ban you for using that red color. Www,myeyesburningnow,com/truestory



 

[Akinaro]

Akinaro/soldat-game please get reasonable. The last thing the community needs right now is staff going ban and delete happy. What triggered me about that post is you named hack developers, rather than just anecdotes about hackers ruining games.

Also, do you really not have anything better to do than compile a list to prove a point that staff has been lax on that rule ?

This thread is supposed to be talking about development. I guess I?m just feeding a troll by giving a real reply here.

Yeah this threat is about development, but it perfectly show that for past years not only dev team failed and do what they pleased and bend rules depending on their own mood.

But its not about trolling. It took me probably 3 minutes to just type "hackers"and write that post. Whole point of it is not trolling but showing that people are biased here, dont fallow their own rules and they would rather hide/delete difficult topics instead of explaining them self.
Because how its possible that, known hacker was not perm banned on forum long time ago, and now is main dev? Could you please explain that? I can bring here bunch of hackers that are also really good programmers, why dont you give them place in dev team? Oh right, because they are hackers, and there is only one vacancy in dev team.


I dont really care about this talking about hacker here, what I hate and care is hypocrisy of some of people here.

Not to mention that rule that you so referred to is just dump as hell. Instead of discussing about hackers, posting their nick, demos and logs so everyone can know and react if they see them during playing, you would rather ban your own users for mentioning about it.
As far as there are proof that someone hack, everyone else should be informed about it, so next time people can kick him and admins can ban them before they totally ruin gameplay for others.
Soldat dont have anti-cheat, so why dont at least give people possibility to fight with hackers by informing others about them. You see? This is related to development of game.


That should end this offtopic. And actually that topic it self, because we now clearly see that not 0.1% of people are not happy with development.
What should be said, was said. People pointed out who is responsible, and why they didnt like it. Now we can just wait AGAIN for MM for kindly respond to this situation.