Ditch karma.

[Mancer]

It just makes people feel like crap. Either that or get rid of smite and keep applaud. So you can't just smite someone for the hell of it.

Good reasons to ditch it:

-Its abused

-Another status symbol like post count (who needs more of these?)

-With the amount of retards and kids this website cradles, can you expect fair usage of it?

[jettlarue]

No but seriously, everyone wanted it before, even me...but it just doesnt work.

[Eagles_Arrows]

I agree, the game is crap with karma around.  If we get rid of karma, maybe the gameplay will become more fast-paced. [/lol]

This doesn't belong here, eh?

[Mancer]

So I felt bad for dascoo, kill me.

This doesn't belong here, eh?

Why wouldnt it?, more importantly, why are you trying to be a moderator?

[Twistkill]

It is getting abused too much. I mean, Dascoo has like -9057109578 something points and he didn't even deserve the bad rep. Mine's always 0 or -1, no matter how nice, helpful, or contributing I am, and it's just proving that poeple will smite even if they disagree with them on something, or if they don't like their sig, or something else not worthy of a smite.

[Eagles_Arrows]

Well, anyway, I've been getting alot of smites meself, but as long as it's >0...

Mancer, this thread belongs to the Forum News and Support board as it centers around the forums and not the game, but I suppose you could care less.  I don't care, it's just FYI.

[Mancer]

Mancer, this thread belongs to the Forum News and Support board as it centers around the forums and not the game, but I suppose you could care less. I don't care, it's just FYI.

Well sorry, I mean I always considered the stuff at the top of the page just to be general discussion, aka, talk about anything (kind of like SomethingAwfuls general discussion)

[reckon]

Its superficial really so why should it bother you, or why should you let it bother you?

[Mancer]

Doesn't bother me, its a subconscious mentality thing for everyone else.

Don't tell me you wouldnt be suprised if you woke up and found that you got smited 20 times. Even if you didn't care you'd still be like 'wtf'

[reckon]

Meh, other forums I frequent have similar systems, the abuse is nothing.

[Keron Cyst]

Well, FLAB semi-recently said in a karma discussion thread in the Forum Support section that karma's a mostly accurate public-indicator of the usefulness of your posts. It seems to shift for select random people (Twistkill & E_A, here; Vltava's, I have no idea how it sunk into double-digit negatives so quickly especially considering his posts' quality), and the effect is greatly exaggerated (people boost FLAB just for resembling a flying brick, and those whose posts are useless one-liners have more negative karma than raw Post Count), but the general idea is that it can help steer non-contributive people into being more productive in the forum.

I think my current karma's influencing my opinion, heh, but I don't think it'll be modified whatsoever unless karma starts getting out-of-hand for the vast majority of members instead of just fluctuating or bloating unnecessarily for various few. Even I myself highly recommended some sort of personal log for who altered your karma for what post, but that has not been implemented—whether it's possible or whether FLAB just plain thinks it'd be worth the coding investment at all eludes me.

So far it's "okay" IMO; I can't say the forum would be very better with it removed, or with it staying around, but I think some sort of slight modification should be made to it, if SMF allows flexibility with its coding.

[Vltava]

My current karma was due to Evil-Ville's previous signature (for about a day), that had an attractive link, which when clicked, smited me. It's staying down because people tend to smite almost automatically when they see bad karma. It doesn't bother me too much. I almost never smite, but often applaud deserving people.

[Dark Jesus]

It just makes people feel like crap. Either that or get rid of smite and keep applaud. So you can't just smite someone for the hell of it.

Good reasons to ditch it:

-Its abused

-Another status symbol like post count (who needs more of these?)

-With the amount of retards and kids this website cradles, can you expect fair usage of it?

I agree fully, I have no reason to get smited, unless I said something stupid?
I have done nothing to deserve like -17 karma

[Rambo_6]

I think if we want ot change anything, we should just remove the smite button.

A 1-way system will work fine still.

[jrgp]

I absolutely hate karma, i have like a -50 because i have bad acne and cuz i use fireworks.

atleast maybe it should go no lower than 0?

[Rambo_6]

Then you'd be at 0 and still feel shitty. Just abandon the smite button or get rid of the entire system.

[bja888]

I vised the forum after karma went into effect and already had -2. The consept is reasonable but there has to be a better way of doing it.

[Brock]

People have smited me for things I don't deserve.    xD

[Dark Jesus]

People have smited me for things I don't deserve.    xD

People have smited me for nothing.

[jrgp]

People have smited me for things I don't deserve.    xD

People have smited me for nothing.

Same here, only worse.

[Dark Jesus]

I can tell.
I think that Karma should be removed and if you want to smite someone, send them a PM expressing your thoughts in a non=vulgar way.

[Seancapsyourass]

OMG GUYS I WILL TOTALLY KILL MYSELF AND POST IT ON MYSPACE (AFTER I SUCCESSFULLY KILL MYSELF) IF I GET SMITED. THIS FORUM IS SUPER SERIAL AND DEMANDS THAT I WRITE IN ALL CAPS AND YES I AM YELLING AT YOU ALL THROUGH MY KEYBOARD BECAUSE SMITING IS TOTALLY LAME AND HURTS PEOPLES E-FEELINGS.  I MEAN IF I'M NOT ACCEPTED IRL AND(BOLDED BECAUSE I CAN'T DO DOUBLE CAPS WHICH IS ANOTHER THING THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED BECAUSE SOMETIMES I SCREAM THROUGH MY KEYBOARD AND I DON'T FEEL THAT JUST USING CAPS EPHASISES THAT ENOUGH) ON THE INTERWEB I HAVE NOTHING LEFT TO LIVE FOR.  SCREW IT JUST GET RID OF EVERYTHING THAT MAKES ME FEEL BAD SO I CAN BE HAPPY AND WON'T HAVE TO CUT MYSELF ANYMORE.

------I hope some of you get the point of me posting that

[Dark Jesus]

I think that we should remove karma, and if people think that someone is doing something wrong, you can PM them.

OMG GUYS I WILL TOTALLY KILL MYSELF AND POST IT ON MYSPACE (AFTER I SUCCESSFULLY KILL MYSELF) IF I GET SMITED. THIS FORUM IS SUPER SERIAL AND DEMANDS THAT I WRITE IN ALL CAPS AND YES I AM YELLING AT YOU ALL THROUGH MY KEYBOARD BECAUSE SMITING IS TOTALLY LAME AND HURTS PEOPLES E-FEELINGS.  I MEAN IF I'M NOT ACCEPTED IRL AND(BOLDED BECAUSE I CAN'T DO DOUBLE CAPS WHICH IS ANOTHER THING THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED BECAUSE SOMETIMES I SCREAM THROUGH MY KEYBOARD AND I DON'T FEEL THAT JUST USING CAPS EPHASISES THAT ENOUGH) ON THE INTERWEB I HAVE NOTHING LEFT TO LIVE FOR.  SCREW IT JUST GET RID OF EVERYTHING THAT MAKES ME FEEL BAD SO I CAN BE HAPPY AND WON'T HAVE TO CUT MYSELF ANYMORE.

------I hope some of you get the point of me posting that

You should calm down, you're going to kill yourslef becausee somone on the other side of the planet and youu're probably never going to see/meet smited you on an online multiplayer game forum and you have +2 karma whereas people like Dascoo has -62 karma?!

You should rethink that.
It looks like a spam bubble. 

[jrgp]

maybe, in the profile we should be able to choose whether or not karma is turned on for our selves.

[Dark Jesus]

maybe, in the profile we should be able to choose whether or not karma is turned on for our selves.

I like that idea A LOT.
Maybe a poll is in order?

[Wraithlike]

I abuse make less than perfect use of the system, because it has no real value. I don't see why people are so anal about how much faceless (presumeably moronic) people on the interweb care about them. Seriously, I think you'll survive if some one named "Seancapsyourass" (random example) dislikes you enough to click a pretty link that says smite.

[Dark Jesus]

ur sig brakes da rules mancerboi

Thank you for posting something that could've easily been pmed to him.
Should I make a poll about this karma ditching thing?

[Twistkill]

Maybe we can see what posts we got smited or applauded on in our profile? (I mean, we'd be able to only see our own karma)

[karmazon]

I don't even know how to access karma haha.

[Twistkill]

I don't even know how to access karma haha.

You need 25 posts to use karma.

[karmazon]

I don't even know how to access karma haha.

You need 25 posts to use karma.

Bwahahah well that will never happen, cause I always post in lounge

[Twistkill]

I don't even know how to access karma haha.

You need 25 posts to use karma.

Bwahahah well that will never happen, cause I always post in lounge

But you only need one more. :O

[O.R.I.O.N.]

The suspense isn't killing me. -_-

[Commander Kitsune]

I like Karma, I just think the system needs to be a little refined. How? No clue.

[Seancapsyourass]

I think that we should remove karma, and if people think that someone is doing something wrong, you can PM them.

OMG GUYS I WILL TOTALLY KILL MYSELF AND POST IT ON MYSPACE (AFTER I SUCCESSFULLY KILL MYSELF) IF I GET SMITED. THIS FORUM IS SUPER SERIAL AND DEMANDS THAT I WRITE IN ALL CAPS AND YES I AM YELLING AT YOU ALL THROUGH MY KEYBOARD BECAUSE SMITING IS TOTALLY LAME AND HURTS PEOPLES E-FEELINGS.  I MEAN IF I'M NOT ACCEPTED IRL AND(BOLDED BECAUSE I CAN'T DO DOUBLE CAPS WHICH IS ANOTHER THING THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED BECAUSE SOMETIMES I SCREAM THROUGH MY KEYBOARD AND I DON'T FEEL THAT JUST USING CAPS EPHASISES THAT ENOUGH) ON THE INTERWEB I HAVE NOTHING LEFT TO LIVE FOR.  SCREW IT JUST GET RID OF EVERYTHING THAT MAKES ME FEEL BAD SO I CAN BE HAPPY AND WON'T HAVE TO CUT MYSELF ANYMORE.

------I hope some of you get the point of me posting that

You should calm down, you're going to kill yourslef becausee somone on the other side of the planet and youu're probably never going to see/meet smited you on an online multiplayer game forum and you have +2 karma whereas people like Dascoo has -62 karma?!

You should rethink that.
It looks like a spam bubble. 

Gah no one gets sarcasm anymore

[a-4-year-old]

karma itself isnt a bad thing, but people do not come even close to the amount of aplauds as they do smites, it seems like every semi active person to see your post smites you for it once and a while, mine fluctuates greatly, I had posted nothing the weekend the forum was karmatized and i still had -4, i got it up to zero and now its down to like -10.

I think it should be you are alowed to use karma after two months of posting, and get suspended from karma as a punishment for being banned or something, so people dont deside to smite every third person in anger.


I thought sean was really funny, spam yes, funny very yes.

[FliesLikeABrick]

Seancapsyourass, that was obnoxious and annoying as hell.  Don't do it again.

Jettlarue, the forum rules specify no image macros.  Next time is a ban for a week.

Mancer, fix your signature, its f'n huge.

People applaud me because they think I contribute... I like to think I do.  If I was an asshole and a nazi admin, then I'd obviously have negative karma despite being admin. 

Lastly, I'm moving this to forum news and support, where it should have been posted anyway.

[Keron Cyst]

If I was an asshole and a nazi admin, then I'd obviously have negative karma despite being admin. 

Being deadly honest, I actually disagree with that....

[Lunerfox]

I personally don't even touch the button myself...

[Dark Jesus]

I think that we should remove karma, and if people think that someone is doing something wrong, you can PM them.

OMG GUYS I WILL TOTALLY KILL MYSELF AND POST IT ON MYSPACE (AFTER I SUCCESSFULLY KILL MYSELF) IF I GET SMITED. THIS FORUM IS SUPER SERIAL AND DEMANDS THAT I WRITE IN ALL CAPS AND YES I AM YELLING AT YOU ALL THROUGH MY KEYBOARD BECAUSE SMITING IS TOTALLY LAME AND HURTS PEOPLES E-FEELINGS.  I MEAN IF I'M NOT ACCEPTED IRL AND(BOLDED BECAUSE I CAN'T DO DOUBLE CAPS WHICH IS ANOTHER THING THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED BECAUSE SOMETIMES I SCREAM THROUGH MY KEYBOARD AND I DON'T FEEL THAT JUST USING CAPS EPHASISES THAT ENOUGH) ON THE INTERWEB I HAVE NOTHING LEFT TO LIVE FOR.  SCREW IT JUST GET RID OF EVERYTHING THAT MAKES ME FEEL BAD SO I CAN BE HAPPY AND WON'T HAVE TO CUT MYSELF ANYMORE.

------I hope some of you get the point of me posting that

You should calm down, you're going to kill yourslef becausee somone on the other side of the planet and youu're probably never going to see/meet smited you on an online multiplayer game forum and you have +2 karma whereas people like Dascoo has -62 karma?!

You should rethink that.
It looks like a spam bubble. 

Gah no one gets sarcasm anymore

Next time make it clear, and don't write in caps because it looks like spam. I like to put a little "*Sarcasm*" behind something when I say soemthing sarcastic.

[ElephantHunter]

Mancer, Keron Cyst, and everybody else who has made their concerns known (even Sean), I just wanted to say that I appreciate your input on the issue of Karma. The administrators have put a lot of thought to this and discussed how to deal with the problems that might arise. Needless to say, the system is not perfect. You've pointed out one of the major issues, and I would like to address those here.

Before I do that, let me explain some background. These forums were originally created for people to discuss Soldat and give the community some voice. Since their conception, we have been working hard to give the community more power. It's a great thing when I check my email in the morning and see that 90% of threads our moderators have taken action in have been the result of the "report to moderator" link we provide by each post. You guys help out a lot, and it's only natural that we feel you need some moderation power of your own.

Thus Chakra let out a huge wail and gave birth to Karma

The Karma system has been implemented to help inspire and regulate our forums to a limited extent. Karma allows the community to anonymously rate other forumers on their contributions. Posts that contain information that people do not want to see will be rated negatively (e.g. "smite".) Posts that people think is deserving of an award will be applauded.

Please take a look at what kinds of posts users with a positive or negative karma have made. You might see a pattern emerging. If you see a good pattern, that means that we are making progress. If you see no pattern (or if you see a pattern that is leading in a bad direction), then by all means make a post. Input helps our community grow.

Not everyone is going to read the entirety of my post, and I know some of you will complain regardless. This is not meant to be cold in any way, but simply a matter of truth: If you have been writing posts that are off-topic, offend people, or have an abundance of English errors, then you only have yourself to blame. I hope the first two items are self-explanatory. For those of you of international origins or with dyslexia, do your best to convey your message clearly. Use the wide array of tools available online, like grammar and spell checkers. Most importantly of all, please state your situation. Don't give people the chance to make undue assumptions.

What's my opinion? How do I plan to take action? My immediate response to your post is, "How can karma be abused?" It's not tangible. There are no real penalties or rewards. Beyond that, there are no known security flaws. (You can take a look at this thread regarding a recent issue to see that we do take action against those promptly and when necessary.) Still, you have come to the conclusion that it makes people feel like crap.

Well, you're not the only person who has told me that. A friend in the Soldat developer channel made the same comment. I think it's substantial enough to bring this whole issue to light. I will take the time to propose some changes to the karma system to the other two administrators, and action will certainly be taken. Since I am very busy training at my new job (yay!), the code might not get done for around a week, but do keep high expectations.

[Outcast]

Well you gotta remember, smite me and your topic is LOCKED. I know who smites me. You smite me again I give you a warning.












Joking.

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

People applaud me because they think I contribute... I like to think I do.  If I was an asshole and a nazi admin, then I'd obviously have negative karma despite being admin. 

Exactly.  Just take a look at Evil-ville.

Anyway, I like this karma system just the way it is.  People with very low karma have it because they are constantly rude and/or disruptive.  People who have high karma have it because people like and respect them, and because they are helpful.  My karma is -2.  It's not terrible, but it helps me recognize that my posts may have been unnecessarily derogatory in the past.  And it's never a bad thing to understand when you're wrong.

[Krillious]

I think that the current karma system doesn't show how important a person's posts are, but how hated/loved a person is, and the only way to make people aware of howo much a person contributed is to either make some kind of 'Thanks' button, or else remove smiting.

[The Red Guy]

I can't even do ****. Everytime I get the stupid "You have -1000 Karma" error.

I think that the current karma system doesn't show how important a person's posts are, but how hated/loved a person is, and the only way to make people aware of howo much a person contributed is to either make some kind of 'Thanks' button, or else remove smiting.

Agreed. Like the one in vB.

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

I think that the current karma system doesn't show how important a person's posts are, but how hated/loved a person is, and the only way to make people aware of howo much a person contributed is to either make some kind of 'Thanks' button, or else remove smiting.

How much a person contributed is generally represented by post count.  Karma refers to the quality of those contributions.  Someone isn't going to be hated unless they constantly make bad posts, and someone isn't going to be loved unless the constantly make good posts.

[Demonic]

Karma is not working? How odd, when I look around the forums, I see people with negative karma who I think should have negative karma, and I see people with positive karma whom I think should deserve positive karma.

Peachy.

[PANZERCATWAGON]

OMG GUYS I WILL TOTALLY KILL MYSELF AND POST IT ON MYSPACE (AFTER I SUCCESSFULLY KILL MYSELF) IF I GET SMITED. THIS FORUM IS SUPER SERIAL AND DEMANDS THAT I WRITE IN ALL CAPS AND YES I AM YELLING AT YOU ALL THROUGH MY KEYBOARD BECAUSE SMITING IS TOTALLY LAME AND HURTS PEOPLES E-FEELINGS. I MEAN IF I'M NOT ACCEPTED IRL AND(BOLDED BECAUSE I CAN'T DO DOUBLE CAPS WHICH IS ANOTHER THING THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED BECAUSE SOMETIMES I SCREAM THROUGH MY KEYBOARD AND I DON'T FEEL THAT JUST USING CAPS EPHASISES THAT ENOUGH) ON THE INTERWEB I HAVE NOTHING LEFT TO LIVE FOR. SCREW IT JUST GET RID OF EVERYTHING THAT MAKES ME FEEL BAD SO I CAN BE HAPPY AND WON'T HAVE TO CUT MYSELF ANYMORE.

------I hope some of you get the point of me posting that

Ha ha ha, ohhhhhh lord I don't know how I missed reading that last time, phew ... that made my day .

Anyways, on topic, I think that the Karma system works and people should just get used to it .

[Seancapsyourass]

Karma is good for you, unless you do bad things or focus on it too much.  There are things out of your control and you need to deal with it.  I personnally like how you can't see who smited/applauded you (unless you're the admin) so you don't get that whole "upvoting/downvoting" thing as extreme as you see it on ytmnd.com and hopefully people will vote on your merit instead of petty grudges.  (That being said if I ever find out that you smited me I will hunt you down and force you to let me live out of your basement for atleast the next year if not longer... so beware.   I use alot of shampoo/soap and require my own personnalized towel with my name on it)

[stick-assasin]

karma sucks any noob is gna smite u each day wich sucks

[a-4-year-old]

It isn't karma itself that needs change, but the way people use it. Someone would smite for any reason at all, from being annoying to just saying what you think. The problem is nobody ever rewards anyone for posting something usefull, the focus is not on reward, but punishment, it should be ether mutual or just on reward/respect points.

I am sure if you look into it, you will see way more people with -1  to -10 than people with 1 to 10 and a whole lot more people with -20 and down from there than a positive 20 and greater, infact i think only Flies actually has an impressive karma, everyone else is seeing how low they can go.

[mar77a]

I agree with Demonic. Plus, the guys that are complaining are just caring way too much about karma...

[Keron Cyst]

w00t, admin recog.   ...  wait, Admin?! ElephantHunter? oO'


The thing, Demonic, is that people add to a karma because it's so negative or positive. FLAB's rises by the day while jrgp has more negative karma than negative posts. It's perfectly fine when you say that, but there has to be some way to limit karma rating exaggeration. That's why I so insist on being able to rate a post of a member only once one time, so if you want to bash him, you have to go search for all his posts, and by then—

... I know who smites me....

—if that really is possible and the "Joking" Outcast threw in there only covered the "warning" warning, everything would be fine, because if you combined the 1-karma-change-per-post limit with the ability to see who applauded or smited you, members could manually report in jerks who seem to be knocking down their karma for no reason whatsoever.

If that can't be implemented, at least the 1KCPP (lol, wow; KC! Karma Change, Keron Cyst ) code would be a major limit to exaggeration of karma.

[Sotija]

I absolutely hate karma, i have like a -50 because i have bad acne and cuz i use fireworks.

atleast maybe it should go no lower than 0?

And because we two get smited because we listen Metallica?

[jettlarue]

why should people be punished for  knocking peoples karma down? thats simply part of the system, and i believe it would be a lot of work for all mods who have to go through 200 reports like "my karma went down hlphelpelhp!!one!11one!!!1" and a bunch of shit like that, but i guess its up to them if they want that responsibility. It seems to me that people who i would think to have good karma have good karma and people who i would think would have bad karma have bad karma.

[Keron Cyst]

People should "be punished for knocking people's karma down" because they're rating them unfairly. They see a negative karma, and even if the post is a good one, they just drop it even more. It's called "karma abuse," and that's a major chunk of what this thread is about.

[Axel]

w00t, admin recog. ... wait, Admin?! ElephantHunter? oO'


The thing, Demonic, is that people add to a karma because it's so negative or positive. FLAB's rises by the day while jrgp has more negative karma than negative posts. It's perfectly fine when you say that, but there has to be some way to limit karma rating exaggeration. That's why I so insist on being able to rate a post of a member only once one time, so if you want to bash him, you have to go search for all his posts, and by then—

... I know who smites me....

—if that really is possible and the "Joking" Outcast threw in there only covered the "warning" warning, everything would be fine, because if you combined the 1-karma-change-per-post limit with the ability to see who applauded or smited you, members could manually report in jerks who seem to be knocking down their karma for no reason whatsoever.

If that can't be implemented, at least the 1KCPP (lol, wow; KC! Karma Change, Keron Cyst ) code would be a major limit to exaggeration of karma.

i agree with this post here. the one karma per post would really knock back the karma fluctuations in general, and if someone really is just trying to knock down your karma by going through all your posts, you would know who is doing it and ask an admin to give them a warning. i have a few changes though; instead of just being able to see who is rating you badly, i think that there should be a system where(includes one karma posting) if you go into your own profile and look at your old posts, next to each post there should be 2 stats, positive and negative karma hits. thus you would be able to see what posts people dont like, and this would also help proving some peoples posts here, like if people only rate you bad cuz of your sig or because they just dont like your thoughts, even if they are very well thought out(i have -5 cuz i made a topic in weapon balance in a hurry cuz i really felt i was right, people couldnt get a certain something to work, it was locked, and iv had -5 ever since). also, if one member has consistently rated you negatively, and the conditions could vary alot, only after conditions are met that indicate that he is attacking your karma, an alert apears in your pms alerting you to this, so that you can decide to ask them why they are doing this, if this is a coincidence, or ask for administrative action. my addition to the one karma per post though, is the ability of the user that if you ignorantly rated someone poorly, and then realized it, you could take bak your negative rating. you can only make it neutral though, so as not to allow someone to go back and change any one individual's karma by several points to the uber positive. thats all,
later

[5th_account]

It is getting abused too much. I mean, Dascoo has like -9057109578 something points and he didn't even deserve the bad rep. Mine's always 0 or -1, no matter how nice, helpful, or contributing I am, and it's just proving that poeple will smite even if they disagree with them on something, or if they don't like their sig, or something else not worthy of a smite.

Ya that would be due to me =)
I smite joo for every crazy post in wep balance forum

[Twistkill]

It is getting abused too much. I mean, Dascoo has like -9057109578 something points and he didn't even deserve the bad rep. Mine's always 0 or -1, no matter how nice, helpful, or contributing I am, and it's just proving that poeple will smite even if they disagree with them on something, or if they don't like their sig, or something else not worthy of a smite.

Ya that would be due to me =)
I smite joo for every crazy post in wep balance forum

That was only in one thread, and I am not easy to irritate. I don't believe I smited you, either... :/

[Keron Cyst]

Axel's idea is even more targeting an' accurate (applaud!); full support for both of his ideas. So...

So far we have this, if I may be allowed to sum :

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→ Only allow one karma rating per user per post (you can only rate a post once)
Why? If you want to bash and continually smite someone you'll have to go looking for his posts specifically, and by then the person will have caught on to your stupidity
→ Be able to see who rated you for what post overall, in, perhaps, your profile
This is not quite the same as the last suggestion, as this tells you who rated what post; perhaps the board-mod could list all the people who have ever tweaked your karma, and stick links to every one of your posts each applauded or smited; three tables, if you will. I can draw a rough sketch of what I'm thinking (probably not the most efficient way of showing it) if clarification's needed.
→ Be able to take back an accidental karma rate
Admittedly, it's never happened to me, but it's just an idea Axel had which I think could be useful in occasional circumstances.
→ Be able to see each of your own individual posts' karma statistics (all the karma which each of your posts collected alone, if you're viewing a thread you posted in and you see a post you made in the past that has since been rated)
Why? Just to compare, since you already have the post content right there, your quality of post and the general public's idea of "quality" in a post. Does not show raters; that would inflate all of your rated posts too much, and that's what the second sugg. is for anyways

---

Any of these would be a great help to the current system. (Maybe, on its own, not the third one )

Tell me if there are any you feel should be explained more specifically and I'll try to rephrase them the best I can.

[PANZERCATWAGON]

Very good idea, I thoroughly support this.

[Atomic Hype]

Good idea = give me -1000 karma.

[Anarii]

I agree. This karma system is bull.

I joined today, and already received a 'smite'. WTF?! My posts, IMO, are on-topic and aren't offensive, unless they are somehow offended by 'knife-throws' & stuff.

[Axel]

ok, lets get back ter somthing besides i agree! wheres that third president guy? get him back in here and see what hes thinkin; HIS are the model posts, cant wait for him to come back. (i know i didnt say much in this, but i couldn't help but check in.)

[Valorman]

I have an Idea: We could still have karma, with the applaud and smite buttons still there, But your karma is only visible to yourself.

[Hootie hoo]

I have an Idea: We could still have karma, with the applaud and smite buttons still there, But your karma is only visible to yourself.

I like that idea.

[Eagles_Arrows]

I have an Idea: We could still have karma, with the applaud and smite buttons still there, But your karma is only visible to yourself.

The concept of karma will pretty much be destroyed.

[Axel]

yes, i agree. i think that that would raise more annoyances than it would fix,(i agree post). we need to get 3rd president guy back in here so that he can tell us if any of our previous ideas have been taken into account. i dont see very much good activity in this forum until one of the admin or someone with the autority comments on what we have thus far.

[Keron Cyst]

I PMed him a while ago. Just wait, for now...

[FliesLikeABrick]

Personally, I think that the karma system is working perfectly.  Everyone who I think is very valuable to the forums has at least a +2 karma, whereas the spammers, off-topic posters, and many people who generally don't contribute much to the forums have negative karmas.

Guys, don't forget that people are (by nature) going to smite more than they're going to applaud.  People are more likely to seek the smite button when they see something bad than they are going to find the applaud button when someone makes a post that is good and useful.  As such, a  -1 karma is not bad at all, it means that most people approve of your posts and what you do here on the forums, but there are a couple of people who don't, and they're more likely going to use karma than the people who approve of what you're doing.

I think karma is working just fine, and nobody here has given any good reason for why it isn't.  "I don't like it all of the newbs are going to smite people" is not a reason.  "karma sucks" is not a reason.  Give a proper reason, and take the time to explain it... otherwise we're just going to ignore you, you'll look like a moron who doesn't want to take the time to explain his thoughts... and you'll likely begin to see a downward trend in your karma.

I look around and all of the people with +5 or higher karma are the people who take the time to write their posts in proper english, explain their thoughts to everyone, and contribute to the forums.  Perhaps the rest of you should take a hint if the fact that you have a -30 karma is bothering you, try and reform your ways such that they appeal to everyone else.

Also, for the rest of you who believe in the karma system: take the time to applaud the forum members that are posting quality content and are taking the time to contribute to the forums.  Like I said, we have plenty of people who are quick to smite when someone posts off-topic, but it can't hurt for you to applaud the people who you look up to and feel are making our forums better.

[O.R.I.O.N.]

I can understand where you're coming from on that, but my profile kinda disproves.  My karma is negative mainly because people hate me for no apparent reason.

On the other hand, Karma doesn't affect you in a tangible way; it's just a measure of how much people like/hate you in the forums.  Overall, don't let it get to you too much.

[Atomic Hype]

OMG 3RD PRES GUY, IT'S NOT LIKE HE'S BEEN A PART OF THE COMMUNITY FOR A LONG TIME AND EVERYONE KNOWS HIM

[Milkman Dan]

[...] because people hate me for no apparent reason.

You wish! You just don't want to admit that it's your own damn fault people hate you. The number of people that have smited you can't all hate you 'just because'...

[Demonic]

*me applauds Milkman Dan*

Maybe you should re-read some of your posts Orion, and read the threads that you posted in again. You'll see that there are more than enough reasons for smiting you, daily.

[Axel]

WELL THEN WHY THE HELL IS MY KARMA DROPPING?! I REALLY DOUBT THAT ITS BECAUSE I DONT USE PROPER ENGLISH, AND IF IT IS YOUR A BUNCH OF GRAMMER POLICE! also, why are we going on about stinging people posting in this topic? i think that orion isnt exactly the issue, in specific. if you guys are gonna go on about how stupid everyone that has bad karma is, tell me why mine continues to fall. most of my posts are uber huge, and again, i doubt that its just because i dont use proper english. maybe its because everyone here is just an ignorant welp that smites everyone that they disagrees with, even if they are perfectly intelligent and dont waste the forums time. i dont do that, but i havnt seen the evidence that many other people do.
why the hell is my karma at -9?! its near double worse atomic hypes, and that post he made doesnt seem quite as good as it could have been.....

[Jack The Llama]

Well. I think it's mostly a popularity vote.
So whining will probably get it dropped more buddah'.

Spread the love, peace, harmony, and llamas everywhere man!

Oh, and P.S. guys, wheres the smite and applaud buttons? I can't see 'em anywhere.
<_<'

[Meep.]

Oh, and P.S. guys, wheres the smite and applaud buttons? I can't see 'em anywhere.
<_<'

Above your post count and under your karma.

[Jack The Llama]

Ooh, I don't see them, but I think I understand why I can't, I think I need like, a total post count of like, 50 or something along the lines of that.
Dang lounge and it's no post points.

[Mistercharles]

25 posts to gain karmaness.

[FliesLikeABrick]

Ooh, I don't see them, but I think I understand why I can't, I think I need like, a total post count of like, 50 or something along the lines of that.
Dang lounge and it's no post points.

25 posts to gain karmaness.

Just a warning... if you spam to try and reach 25, it will get you banned.  If it doesn't get you banned, it will at least get you a very, very negative karma.

[Fluffy]

I have negative karma, and in my opinion I make more good than bad, but it doesn't really bother me. It's just another e-penis measurement thingie.

[Jack The Llama]

Oh alright Flies, *Glares around room*.
But I dunno if I support this, karma might be pretty fun as a little "whos okay, whos not okay," thing, but half of the people on here, that have negative karma, are awesome.
I dunno.

[Dascoo]

Wah?

How did jrgp get lower then me?

[SadistAtHeart]

Everybody quit whining about it. It doesn't take away/give any privileges or anything, it's just a number.

[FliesLikeABrick]

Everybody quit whining about it. It doesn't take away/give any privileges or anything, it's just a number.

and on that note, I'm locking this thread.  I think just about everything that can be said about karma has been said in here and in the other thread or two about it.  If anyone thinks this really shouldn't be locked, send me a PM and explain why.