Lets put this all behind us

[Slashnoob]

m00`, you're constantly getting banned and insulted for voicing your opinion and arguements not only in a retarded way, but in situations (like now) where it totally doesn't belong.

how much relevance does zionist-bashing and forum admin issues have ?

you think anyone really cares about the evil brainwashing jews? well, no, not in this thread, and not in any other place you choose to debate about it.
take CC's thread for example.. imagine you were on a peacekeeping tour to some muslim country, and made a thread about pictures from your trip, then i come in and hijack the thread with anti-muslim propoganda, all of that in a gaming forum. that'd be pretty retarded, and it's just like the way you started going "bush is bad bush is evil israel is evil" in CC's thread which was about his photos from afghanistan.

[n00bface]

Demonic, n00bface, and others... Gram was in the "New Mods" thread in the Admin/Mod forum right from the start, and nobody voiced opposition to him becoming a moderator.  If you had a problem with it, you should have said something.

I never ignore your opinions and I really dislike being accused of such.  If we have a miscommunication once in a while, thats one thing... but please don't label it as me ignoring what you have to say. 

Re-read the first page of that "New Mods" topic, look at every mention of gram.

[FliesLikeABrick]

Yes, they're all not super-enthusiastic, but few/none of them condemn him.  Look at the other pages.

Besides, this conversation isn't about Gram, this is about the other topics.

[Demonic]

The other pages where he was already in the mod crew, and the question of un-making him mod never rose up? Right.

[n00bface]

Yes, they're all not super-enthusiastic, but few/none of them condemn him.  Look at the other pages.

Besides, this conversation isn't about Gram, this is about the other topics.

The other pages in the New Mods topic were from after he was already added; he was added to the lounge before I was.  This conversation IS about Gram because it's completely relevant to why some people are dissatisfied.  I remember a time when all of the moderators were working close-knit with each other, and then with the new authority came a new system where it's so split that we hardly have even a semblance of tightness with each other anymore.  You push excuses as to why people keep leaving and you're losing a userbase and support from your moderators, but it's because of the way you are governing things; I don't think a lot of us agree with you.  Right now you are placing hackers above members who have remained dedicated to this forum for years.

I am not saying that I don't think it was a good idea to let The Red Guy or others back into the community, but you aren't listening to what other people are saying.  You offer up an explanation and hope they'll accept it for what it is, regardless of the response you get, because you have your mind set.  The fact that you don't even offer punishment for very blatant offenses (while still giving the 2-week ban to people committing relatively trivial offenses like spamming) is what has irked a lot of people.

[FliesLikeABrick]

I don't see what the big deal is.  I've known him for a while and he first approached me about being a moderator a long time ago.  I know that you guys see him as a goofy and sometimes annoying guy, but I know that he's reasonable and would make a good mod.  There is nothing bad that can come of giving someone a chance to be a moderator on a couple of forums, the worst thing that can happen is that he does a bad job and we take away his mod rights with no hard feelings.

In practice, do you see anything about him as a moderator that bothers you, or are you just a bit ticked because I weighted my experience and knowledge of him a bit heavier than the not-strong negative opinions that some of you posed to me?

edit after n00bface's post:

I am very much so paying attention to what you guys are saying.  How could I have done these things in such a way so that you wouldn't accuse me of it?  Complain about my decisions when they turn out to be bad ones, but please don't argue with me strictly over the logistics of how I make decisions.

I took into account what people said and the decisions have not been harmful.

I know what tightness you're talking about, and I believe that'll end up being the case again soon.  I apologize for any disagreeable decisions I've made and I will continue to do everything I can to make people as happy as possible again

[n00bface]

That is the kind of attitude that I am talking about.  You are acting as the all-seeing-eye, the final decision governing things.  You would never do something that you weren't happy with.  Recalling the lovely Utopia that was around while Styx was still here, he acted only as the authoritative figure that would do precisely what the majority of the moderators had voted in favor of, and vetoed the rest.  Right now, in the present, the moderators are just the little gimps you have working their forums, you take what we say and think "Hmmm..he raises a good point, but I think I'll...."

[FliesLikeABrick]

I'm sorry if it has seemed that way lately (or always).  Lately I'm only around on the forums for maybe 5-10 minutes per day, and when I'm here people ask me about things that I assume have been discussed. 

The truth it comes down to is that I've not been around enough lately to discuss things, and I feel pressed to make decisions that maybe I shouldn't make without talking to more people.

I'll be honest that I've gotten this complaint from a couple of people lately, and I have to say that I understand what you're talking about.  If it has been this way for a while, I just wish they would have brought it up earlier instead of letting it stew.  For the first while we were on the new forums, everyone seemed perfectly happy with how things were.

I have no problem adjusting to more discussion about things so long as nobody tries to make it feel like things need to be fasttracked.

My sincere apologies for weighing in too heavily on .... anything that I have.

I have no problem being criticized and changing my ways to make more people happy.  The most important thing is having people come out and state their gripes rather than stew in them.

[Rambo_6]

One last question: Why did Stalky really leave? Which moderators did he have beef with?

EDIT: Oh, and it'd also be nice to see the bash pit kept up to date loolo

[Spyder]

Second, I acknowladge your decisions, even if ( like Spyder ) I do not agree with them. If someone abuses the rules you put up, they should be punished, relentless of who are they. Mar77a would've deserved atleast a month ban from forum activity, and enesce shouldn't have gone unpunished either. Seriously, when some of your most dedicated members get fed up and ditch the forums, you have to question yourself "Maybe I made a wrong decision at some point?"

And achieved what by banning them? Is it not a little better to talk to them and resolve matters in a diplomatic and mature way? They both appologised for their actions and know well enough not to push our trust further, in respect.

So if I hack and get banned, then few days later I apologize, I get to come back in the community? And for Enesce, he was a hacker before and was given the chance to come back to the community, and now he became 'unfaithful' again, and yet he gets away from punishment.

And for moderators, I don't know why Evil Ville was a moderator in the first place and gram just pop up as a moderator out of no where, there weren't any annoucement about it at all (if there was, then I must've missed it).

[bja888]

m00`, I know a place where openions are valued and you only have to whisper for them to be heard. http://digitalxpression.net

FLAB, do you think you are capable of running a major forum? Was it your decision to spear head this whole thing? Would you rather just mess with the server problems and leave the parenting to others?

Ru, am I the only one who has some degree of respect for you?

n00bface, wanna turn this into a government? Have all issues voted on? Have 3 separate branches with totally diffrent powers and a system of checks and balances?

Milkman Dan, do you need a hug?

If you're going to post something like this, can you please at least explain it, explain whats wrong?

You have bigger things to worry about. No one listens to me till its too late any way. And by that point there is no reason to listen to me.

[FliesLikeABrick]

I enjoy running this forum, yes.  I feel that it is good to have at least one person in charge who is deeply involved in the technical aspects of running the forum.

If people felt that I wasn't a very good people person, I'd be fine with giving up most of my power to other admins and merely being a technical fly on the wall

[bja888]

I enjoy running this forum, yes.  I feel that it is good to have at least one person in charge who is deeply involved in the technical aspects of running the forum.

If people felt that I wasn't a very good people person, I'd be fine with giving up most of my power to other admins and merely being a technical fly on the wall

You can stay in charge in my openion, I was just making sure.

[Sethamundo]

I enjoy running this forum, yes.  I feel that it is good to have at least one person in charge who is deeply involved in the technical aspects of running the forum.

If people felt that I wasn't a very good people person, I'd be fine with giving up most of my power to other admins and merely being a technical fly on the wall

You can stay in charge in my openion, I was just making sure.

I don't mind you being in charge, but we all need to compromise and come up with a solution to this problem at hand as a community and whole rather than a select few.

[FliesLikeABrick]

It sounds like the solution is:
1) people need to stop going around when they're pissed about something and get other people pissed off.  If something bothers you, talk about it with someone that is in charge rather than trying to stir up some kind of revolution
2) When I'm busy, I need to acknowledge that rather than rush my decisions and not listen to other people.

I don't think that we need any major changes on the forum, just some changes in how people interact and voice problems

[Chakra]

3) Peeps need to stop making a mountain out of a mole hill ...i'm still baffled by n00bface and Demonic. Is there something stopping them saying "take gram off mods" or asking a week ago why he was given ops? is it even that important to get worked up over? If voicing their opinion is so important, why do they never offer it? I can't shake this feeling that you two are just beating around the bush here..

[Slashnoob]

4) handcuff m00 to milkman's bed

[Milkman Dan]

Milkman Dan, do you need a hug?

Sure, why not. I hope you don't smell though.

4) handcuff m00 to milkman's bed

Then I can show him my penis again :)

[The Geologist]

Mommy, Daddy stop fighting at my birthday party, you're scaring all the neighbor kids!

Seriously though, everyone just have a hug, share a drink, and lets get rolling again with things freshly vented and feelings expressed.  Valid points appreciated, but let's not let this tear the whole shabang apart, 'eh?

[FliesLikeABrick]

Seriously though, everyone just have a hug, share a drink, and lets get rolling again with things freshly vented and feelings expressed.  Valid points appreciated, but let's not let this tear the whole shabang apart, 'eh?