Religion

[VijchtiDoodah]

I think the one thing we really need to discuss, is whether love is actually an artificial thing we've made up as we go, or if it is in fact a human emotion.

Okay, let's.  Love, from my purely scientific viewpoint, is a mixture of two things: genetics and psychology.  We seek mates that are genetically dissimilar from us but are culturally and ethnically similar (and, disturbingly enough, we seek mates that act like our opposite-sex parents).  Hormones kick in, and you're in lust.  The love part comes later, when you have the lust part taken care of and focus on your mate's emotions, actions, and thoughts -- we have recently discovered that hormones also govern some of these feelings and that those hormones begin to diminish in levels after the first year you're with your mate.

Mating instincts are only half of it.

As I believe "love" is more like lust...

Then you haven't experienced true love.

[Toumaz]

As I believe "love" is more like lust...

Then you haven't experienced true love.

True words...

[XYZ]

It's cool how people shrug off my posts when they make valid points.

[Graham]

Xyz you have one sentence in there that is actually valid and its not even aimed at anyone.  Its a general remark about something we are having a discussion on already.

[Smegma]

Although religion isn't the best thing to discuss on a forum for a game where you viciously murder countless people, I guess I'll have a go. I'm a Satanist (STFU.) and I strongly believe in self-indulgence. If it makes you happy, go ahead. It's not like anal sex kills.

I forgot about AIDS. Nevermind.

Anyway, If somebody wants to be gay, let them. Who's to say they don't love each other? It's not like you can instantly label anyone who's homosexual as a loveless beast.

Also, smileys. Woot woot. 

This was valid?

[echo_trail]

As I believe "love" is more like lust...

Then you haven't experienced true love.

True words...

Well, maybe I haven't. I thought I had, and as Vijch said further above, it "began to diminish in levels after the first year". Agree with you, Vijch, I absolutely do. And it's not that I think love is entirely none-existant.

I know what it's like to feel so drawn to a person, that you'd willingly give up you life for her. In amny ways this happens to many people each day. Not giving up their mortal life, perhaps, but their social life none the less. People sometimes become so attached to their girl/boyfriends, that the almost sieze to exist, as if they're vanishing off the face of the earth.

I'm a little confused, though. The way you described love above.. Isn't that agreeing that love is more like "lust" than an actual feeling? If you know what I mean.

[The Geologist]

Personally,  I find a lot more religion in the rocks than I do most people.  Yea yea..I know what you might be thinking "how suprising, he's a geologist".  Well, it's true.

The rocks were here before we were, they dictate how we live...they even allow certan types of vegetation to grow, which in turn either supports or doesn't support a given native population.  The rocks will be here long after us as well..all hypothetical stuff aside, this is a true statement.  They dictate how we live and how long we live, where we get our resources; if they weren't around we wouldn't be talking to each other right now.

[n00bface]

I'm a little confused, though. The way you described love above.. Isn't that agreeing that love is more like "lust" than an actual feeling? If you know what I mean.

Lust is a pretty distinct emotion.  Anger and Distress are similar emotions, but that doesn't mean that Anger is just one broad term that's coupled with Distress.  I think Lust comes often with Love, that's how sexual relationships are formed.  But you can't tell me that you don't love your parents or siblings?  There's no lust involved in those relationships (or..sometimes there is..), and people are very much shattered when their relatives pass away.

[Shadow G-Unit]

Christian.

Yay! Imma Christian too! I LOVE JESUS!!

[echo_trail]

@n00bface: Yes, ofcourse I love my parents. And it's obviously not in the 'lust' kinda way I mentioned above . Well, my parents are like friends to me, and I actually enjoy spending time with'em, or my dad at least.

But I really think you guys got my statement all wrong. I never said that I'm incapable of feeling love, I'm not. I have experienced love, and that's a feeling I would've never traded for anything in the world. So yes, I'm aware of the concept of love, I just think of it another way.

[Rhombus]

love  /lʌv/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[luhv] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, loved, lov‧ing.

–noun 1. a profoundly tender, passionate affection for another person. 
2. a feeling of warm personal attachment or deep affection, as for a parent, child, or friend. 
3. sexual passion or desire. 
4. a person toward whom love is felt; beloved person; sweetheart. 
5. (used in direct address as a term of endearment, affection, or the like): Would you like to see a movie, love? 
6. a love affair; an intensely amorous incident; amour. 
7. sexual intercourse; copulation. 
8. (initial capital letter) a personification of sexual affection, as Eros or Cupid. 
9. affectionate concern for the well-being of others: the love of one's neighbor. 
10. strong predilection, enthusiasm, or liking for anything: her love of books. 
11. the object or thing so liked: The theater was her great love. 
12. the benevolent affection of God for His creatures, or the reverent affection due from them to God. 
13. Chiefly Tennis. a score of zero; nothing. 
14. a word formerly used in communications to represent the letter L. 
–verb (used with object) 15. to have love or affection for: All her pupils love her. 
16. to have a profoundly tender, passionate affection for (another person). 
17. to have a strong liking for; take great pleasure in: to love music. 
18. to need or require; benefit greatly from: Plants love sunlight. 
19. to embrace and kiss (someone), as a lover. 
20. to have sexual intercourse with. 
–verb (used without object) 21. to have love or affection for another person; be in love. 
—Verb phrase22. love up, to hug and cuddle: She loves him up every chance she gets. 
—Idioms23. for love, a. out of affection or liking; for pleasure. 
b. without compensation; gratuitously: He took care of the poor for love. 
 
24. for the love of, in consideration of; for the sake of: For the love of mercy, stop that noise. 
25. in love, infused with or feeling deep affection or passion: a youth always in love. 
26. in love with, feeling deep affection or passion for (a person, idea, occupation, etc.); enamored of: in love with the girl next door; in love with one's work. 
27. make love, a. to embrace and kiss as lovers. 
b. to engage in sexual activity. 
 
28. no love lost, dislike; animosity: There was no love lost between the two brothers. 


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[Origin: bef. 900; (n.) ME; OE lufu, c. OFris luve, OHG luba, Goth lubō; (v.) ME lov(i)en, OE lufian; c. OFris luvia, OHG lubōn to love, L lubēre (later libēre) to be pleasing; akin to lief]


—Synonyms 1. tenderness, fondness, predilection, warmth, passion, adoration. 1, 2. Love, affection, devotion all mean a deep and enduring emotional regard, usually for another person. Love may apply to various kinds of regard: the charity of the Creator, reverent adoration toward God or toward a person, the relation of parent and child, the regard of friends for each other, romantic feelings for another person, etc. Affection is a fondness for others that is enduring and tender, but calm. Devotion is an intense love and steadfast, enduring loyalty to a person; it may also imply consecration to a cause. 2. liking, inclination, regard, friendliness. 15. like. 16. adore, adulate, worship.
—Antonyms 1, 2. hatred, dislike. 15, 16. detest, hate.


mmkay? so that's what love means...
back on topic:
I have no religion. And then someone asks me: "but then, how did everything start? don't you believe someone created all this in seven days? or don't you believe that it's all just a bunch of evolution and bladyblah?
Well, quite frankly... I don't care. All I know is we're stuck here 'till the day we die. now... if you'll excuse me, I'm going to enjoy the rest of my life.

[vulbastick]

I don't like religion that much except Buddhism thats fine and probably some others...
I guess I'm agnostic though
If we didn't have abortion there'd be loads of teenage parents - ruined life.
great.
If god existed (oops) why out of the whole ****ing universe would he care so much about one little planet thats being ruined by its main inhabitants.
There shouldnt be a higher being or anything like that, just get on with your own life without worrying about sins and crap.
I don't get the whole deal with Jesus. What was the point?
No way was the earth created by something let alone in 7 days...
Science time

[echo_trail]

That's a scientific impossibility. Fossils have been discovered, dating back many millions of years before man ever walked the earth, so "this one's busteeed"(ooh Kari, you sexy thing).

Anyway, most of the stories in the bible aren't supposed to be looked upon as facts, but more like symbols. At least that's what I think.

[Milkman Dan]

That's a scientific impossibility. Fossils have been discovered, dating back many millions of years before man ever walked the earth, so "this one's busteeed"(ooh Kari, you sexy thing).

lol, well. This christian guy at university tried to convince me that fossils are scattered all over the earth because of the flood in noahs ark thingy, and that's why they've all been covered. He also said that there were dinosaurs on the ark and that it was entirely possible that an aircraft carrier sized boat was made of wood.

Then he tried to ask me if I really thought carbon dating was that accurate...

[XYZ]

Wait, didn't Noah build the ark in like, one day? Fuck, it took us years to develop ships that size. He must've been a genious.

OH, WAIT! HE WAS A FARMER TYPE POOR PERSON GUYLOLZ..

Well, anyway. The Bible has some crazy fiction, my brothas.

[The Geologist]

That's a scientific impossibility. Fossils have been discovered, dating back many millions of years before man ever walked the earth, so "this one's busteeed"(ooh Kari, you sexy thing).

lol, well. This christian guy at university tried to convince me that fossils are scattered all over the earth because of the flood in noahs ark thingy, and that's why they've all been covered. He also said that there were dinosaurs on the ark and that it was entirely possible that an aircraft carrier sized boat was made of wood.

Then he tried to ask me if I really thought carbon dating was that accurate...

He doesn't know what he's talking about.  The fossils aren't just scattered around in one well defined layer around the earth, they're distributed in hundreds of thousands of feet of rock which took millions of years to deposit.  A flood that size wouldn't cover things up either - increasing the depth of water decreases the amount of sediments (sands, silts, etc) deposited from continents into the oceans.  If what he says was true, then the only rocks to be seen would be limestones and chalks, rocks that form at depth in the oceans.  And we do see plenty of those, but these are easily explained and not the result of massive floods.  Instead, it's a result of the continuous cycle of eustatic sea level rise and fall.

He's definately a moron if he things dinosaurs were on the arc, considering that dinosaurs and humans never saw each other and there were millions of years between the last dinosaur and the first human.

Carbon dating has it's flaws, but it's relatively acurate.  But the problem lies in carbon itself.  It breaks down and disappears, so the age dates can only be taken back so far.  That's why we use other elements like uranium/lead, argon, and rare earth elements to get age dates in the range of millions of years.

[Demonic]

If anything, the numbers of the bible are symbolic. As far as my knowledge goes, the biblical creation describes the SAME ORDER as things probably appeared in the universe: at first there was nothing, but matter. Then that matter exploded, and there was light... and so on, even up until Man appearing last.

This is not weird, unless you question yourself: how did jewish sages know of this during their captiveness in Babylon?

[Dascoo]

That's a scientific impossibility. Fossils have been discovered, dating back many millions of years before man ever walked the earth, so "this one's busteeed"(ooh Kari, you sexy thing).

lol, well. This christian guy at university tried to convince me that fossils are scattered all over the earth because of the flood in noahs ark thingy, and that's why they've all been covered. He also said that there were dinosaurs on the ark and that it was entirely possible that an aircraft carrier sized boat was made of wood.

Then he tried to ask me if I really thought carbon dating was that accurate...

Hit him, and tell him he's a noob. Ask him to build an aircraft carrier sized boat.....NOW!

And carbon dating is pretty accurate....when people say OMGOZ THEY DID A TEST ON A DEAD SHEEP AND THEY SAID IT DATED 3 TRILLION YEAR BACK...urban myth

[-Vis-]

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c007.html

[Dascoo]

The moon one is wrong, things accelerate in a vacuum over time according to my knowledge.