Firefox usage is up!

[FliesLikeABrick]

It may not look like much, but firefox usage has gone from 32.8% to 41.7% of hits.

More importantly, IE usage is down from 50.6 to 43.2%

View the stats at:
October
June


Do the right thing, get Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com
Not only is it faster, but most of the huge microsoft vulnerabilities coming out now adays are holes that are exploited by using MSIE.  Also, within the next month or two, you will be forced to use IE7 as it is pushed out with windows security patches.  IE7 currently has only 70% CSS standards compliance, so many web pages will work the same or worse than they do right now in IE6

[Graham]

Woohoo for Firefox and stats!

[EnEsCe]

plug plug plug..... FireFoxFTW!

Your June link doesnt work btw, doubled up on the http://

[FliesLikeABrick]

Yeah, this thread was mostly intended as a shameless FireFox plug.... but for good reason. 

I fixed the link, thanks EnEsCe

[Sticky]

I converted to FireFox as soon as I got this laptop. Do I win?

[FliesLikeABrick]

I converted to FireFox as soon as I got this laptop. Do I win?

Yes.

[.neten k!ng`]

Can you delete IE completely from your computer (probally not)

[FliesLikeABrick]

Can you delete IE completely from your computer (probally not)

Nope, even if you tell it to you can still browse the internet using Internet Explorer by typing a web address into a My Computer or Windows Explorer window.  IE is built into the code of Windows.

[.neten k!ng`]

Thought so... darn those crafty Microsoft'ians

[The Geologist]

.netan, I'd give you a cool rock prize if I could.  But chances are no one likes rock prixes

I got a laptop from my school and the first thing I did was download Firefox for it instead if IE.  Damn IE doesn't refresh things, and I can't look up, say, the last hours worth of topics here as opposed to my last visit.

[Spyder]

Any percentage increase in Opera? (too lazy to look)

[.neten k!ng`]

I would love a Rock Prize :O ive always wanted one of those.

- I just compared my FireFox speed to InternetExplorer speed to how fast it loads this topic, FireFox pwns IE lol now my friend got it coz i proved it to him.

[m00`]

hahaha opera decreased by 1.6%

[.neten k!ng`]

What is Opera, is it good?

[Keron Cyst]

lol, even FLAB. You guys all know that the Mozilla dev. team absolutely hates "FireFox," right? They much rather like just "Firefox" (or "Fx" as its abb.) as stated in their site's FAQ.

@.neten k!ng`: I'm using Opera, kinda temporarily, just to see what it's like. It so far lives up to every claim that it is the most secure browser on the 'Net, but its widgets just don't do it justice like Fx's awesome extensions, and although it has some pretty neat effects, it's not as flexible as Firefox (can't simply right-click a search engine and remove it easily, can't quickly scroll-click a bookmark-folder to spill out its contents, etc.). Most of the features Opera sports you can get as Firefox extensions—by default Opera has a system similar to the Fx extension Quicknote, a manual advertisement-removing function something like the Fx extension Adblock, its own built-in IRC (it's very bare and puny, but it kinda works), etc. that kind of random junk. You can also right-click on a website's search engine and right there add it to the top-right list, next to the address bar.

BTW, it's faster in average page-loading (that's probably the main reason I'm still using it, plus the handy notes function), so when all boils down I guess it's just a matter of preference, really. Super-customizability against security and a slight speed boost... plus automatic page-refreshing with the time specified by the user, from every 5 secs. to every half-hour.

A super computer-savvy friend of mine scientifically proved Fx > Opera, tho'. Heheh.

[ElephantHunter]

What is Opera, is it good?

Opera is an alternative browser. It's freeware (not open source). Plus, it's faster than Firefox and IE. The main problem with Opera is that because it is used only by a small percentage of internet users, there is virtually no support for it. SoldatForums supports all modern browsers, so you shouldn't have any problems here.

[.neten k!ng`]

In other words its not worth the hassle, i guess.

[ElephantHunter]

In other words its not worth the hassle, i guess.

Correct. You would be wasting your time if you installed Opera simply for the performance and security enhancements. Compatibility will become an issue for you, especially with more complicated web applications. I only have Opera installed because I am a web developer. My company that I work at looks at the amount of people who use this application and tells me that they are an insignificant portion of the internet. It's up to me whether to make our site compatible with Opera.

[FliesLikeABrick]

heh Keron, I knew that and it actually crossed my mind as I was writing the post.  I had read about that a couple of times on the Firefox site.

[bja888]

IE7 currently has only 70% CSS standards compliance, so many web pages will work the same or worse than they do right now in IE6

Where did you get that? I wanna look into it further.

[Sethamundo]

In all honesty, Bricks was the one who converted me to Firefox.
You even got me tampering with Ubuntu my friend. It would be my permanent OS if it wasn't for the compatibillity issues.

[FliesLikeABrick]

Bja, some MS development group was bragging about it while they were working on IE7 and had it in beta.

[.neten k!ng`]

Firefox is good, just look at this utitility it has that works for soldat http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=6238.new#new and you can change your Skin for Firefox browser? if so, how.

[Toumaz]

... and you can change your Skin for Firefox browser? if so, how.

Tools menu -> Themes.

[Mr. Domino]

As much as I use and prefer Firefox over IE, I can't help but think that it's only a matter of time before hackers start targeting it as it keeps growing. Just as many people think OSX is a better OS without all the security issues Windows brings, I believe that's more a matter of hackers going after the major applications and OSs and not wanting to spend time on things which really aren't widely used. I do think that the Firefox developers would likely be faster to respond to any issues than Microsoft would be and has been.

[Unlucky XIII]

As much as I use and prefer Firefox over IE, I can't help but think that it's only a matter of time before hackers start targeting it as it keeps growing.

Sure it would be, but the people who use alternate browsers are usually competent enough to be consious of their computers security, and therefore take care of it better. I do see your point though; I wouldn't want to switch to Opera or IE just to get away from a security flaw in Firefox that hackers are abusing, either.

Anyway, back on topic, it is good to see that Firefox gets some recognition. (Not that it wasn't before =p)

[.neten k!ng`]

We need anti-hack hackers, Super heroes!


<Hustler Hacker: level 3> Eat this *hacks anti-hack hacker on Counter Strike*

<Anti-Hack Unit> Curse you buzz lightyear!

<Thug Hacker: level 4> Yea? im gonna hack Online Solitaire

<Anti-Hack Unit> ARGH!

<Elite Hacker: level 6> Im gonna hack Soldat

<Anti-Hack Unit> You wouldnt...

<Elitezorz Hacker: level 7> im gonna hack Firefox...

<Anti-Hack Unit> NEVER *inserts mega duper trojans into the hackers C drives> ye  boy WHAT?!

[frogboy]

As much as I use and prefer Firefox over IE, I can't help but think that it's only a matter of time before hackers start targeting it as it keeps growing.

While this will probably happen eventually (and is most likely starting to happen), since Firefox is open source there are more people looking in the code for potential exploits, and more people available to try and fix these exploits when they are discovered.

[bja888]

Bja, some MS development group was bragging about it while they were working on IE7 and had it in beta.

Bragging? lol

Firefox doent support all CSS either you know. More and better than IE but still not all.

[.neten k!ng`]

Well if it supports more then its better...

[bja888]

Well IE supports float but not correctly.

http://proj.bja888.com/tests/IEfloat.html

Amount doesn't matter if they don't operate correctly.

[Denacke]

Aye Firefox ain't a bad browser, I used it a while before my opera stage.

Now I just can't browse properly with Firefox anymore, it's too slow and it doesn't have built in mouse gestures as well as other interesting features. (having an extension for it makes Fx even slower).

I'm surprised opera scores as high here though, as well as Fx' score. I think globally they're around 3% for opera and 11% for firefox.

[Tallacaps]

Opera has:

A great community. 500 000 in comunity. http://my.opera.com/community/

It has widgets, a little irc client( if you really often use irc better mirc), a very practical email client M2( I use), Newsreader( I use too but obviosly there are better newsreader), a little bittorrent client(But I use utorrent or bitcomet).

You have mouse gestures. And you can modify then and you can create them.
You can download skins and you don't need to restart browser to use them. You can zoom the buttons skins.

You can get download menu layouts for opera.
You can create special buttons for opera and drop to opera.
You can get user javascript files to change webs, etc...
You can download mouse setups.
Opera can be controlled via voice(only english).
You can make opera talk web pages for you.
You can download keyboard setups for Opera. You can create them.
Opera have download to folder menu. ( Very useful it changes names to avoid overwrite).
You can enable/disable javascript/java/sound/plugins per web page basis.
You can restrict javascript functions.
Obviosly you can enable program sounds.
You can change how tabs are open or they open next to parent web page.

Opera makes a intensive use of panels(you can make a panel from every web page in internet using shift +f 11)

Panel contacts, irc, transfer, notes, mail, webs panels, search, widgets, history, links(you can see all links in current web).
And you can make a tab from every panel.


You can change layourt of buttons and hide whatever toolbar you want.
You can change show images or only cached images.
You can use fit to width option.
You can activate user css to read better a very ugly web.
You can block ads.
You can use wand. To remember passwords for you.

If you download Opera.
You need WEEKS to really undertand what Opera can do for you.
Download size: 4 MB.

By the way sometimes I use firefox. It have great things.
But I would need to download too many extensions.
Every some weeks I give firefox a try.

And Opera have some annoying things. You can really delete a bookmark from personal bar. Only delete from personal bar.

[Chakra]

I've used opera for feckin' years, and I ain't even bothered with all that fancy arse crap. Its a browser, I browse with it, and it does a fine job at it to boot.

Lets face it, if it ain't default IE, it'll probably do you just fine. And if you've ever worried about security, consider not browsing ukranian fetish websites and clicking 'we require your credit details' from bob@fakebanksecurity.com in your email.

[-Vis-]

I never bothered to try opera, but what's the big deal with mouse gestures? I tried them in Litestep, it's fun for the first 5 minutes, then it becomes stupid. I don't wanna remember all these different movements to perform functions, when I could just as easily click on a button with text on it.

Anyway, I love Firefox, and I won't be changing any time soon.

[Denacke]

Ah the handy thing about mouse gestures is that you don't have to move your mouse all the way to the previous or next button, but you can just drag your right mouse button to the left or right.

I mainly use the drag left and drag right gestures for respectively back and forward. You could also use them to create new tabs or close them. You can even set a gesture for going to soldat forums, (as in, drag right mouse e.g.: up -> Down -> Left) and it would load soldat forums.

If you're interested in knowing what other features opera has I recommend checking this: http://www.opera.com/products/desktop/

[bja888]

If you're interested in knowing what other features opera has I recommend checking this: http://www.opera.com/products/desktop/

Opera is the professional web surfer's browser.

[Commander Kitsune]

Its a browser, I browse with it, and it does a fine job at it to boot.

Same thing here. I use Firefox, but only as a browser. Nothing else.

[Mistercharles]

Hooray firefox! I would die if I didn't have the huge right click menu (copy image location, view image, copy link URL), tabs, the beautiful use of middle click (opens the link in a new tab, even if it's in a windows pop-up menu), or alpha PNG support. All of those things that IE doesn't have put it up there to the top.

My assumption is that, over time, FF will conquer IE in terms of soldatforums stats, and will eventually hit the 50% mark.

[a-4-year-old]

horay shameless fanboyism!

firefox rules!

[Dascoo]

GO OPERA! Screw firefox I can't stand it.....I don't know why

[FliesLikeABrick]

Bja, some MS development group was bragging about it while they were working on IE7 and had it in beta.

Bragging? lol

Firefox doent support all CSS either you know. More and better than IE but still not all.

Firefox supports over 95%, I believe it is the highest of any browser right now.

User numbers, not blanket statements

[Spyder]

I use opera for the same reason as Denacke and Chakra. Opera is so much cleaner IMO. Although, I would like opera to change how downloading works, they sould make it work like Fx or IE, where a separate small window opens up when you download something, so you can close those big window.

[Wraithlike]

I have Firefox, opera and IE all installed, but I only use Opera unless I'm in one of those rare situations where I need multiple browsers. I use opera mainly for the near complete lack of multiple windows, because I like everything tabbed. I also like the right click+ mouse wheel.

But for what it's worth, I used FireFox for 2 years before switching to Opera.

[Aquarius]

Firefox supports over 95%, I believe it is the highest of any browser right now.

User numbers, not blanket statements

As you wish. CSS 2.1 support:

Firefox: 91%
Opera: 94%

Source (maintained by Firefox user):
http://www.webdevout.net/browser_support_summary.php

Ouch.



Also Opera passes Acid2 test and Firefox doesn't.
Source:
http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html

Ouch.

[Denacke]

I use opera for the same reason as Denacke and Chakra. Opera is so much cleaner IMO. Although, I would like opera to change how downloading works, they sould make it work like Fx or IE, where a separate small window opens up when you download something, so you can close those big window.

Try dragging the tab from the tab bar to your opera titlebar (the blue border bar with opera icon and webpage title in it). You could also just right click and select 'detach'.

This should make a new window of the download tab and you can close the other window.

Edit:
Some more usefull things:
- ctrl + alt + t: opens downloads tab.
- ctrl + h: hides opera to system tray.

[Aquarius]

Firefox doesn't release any memory if you close the main window and leave the download manager opened. So it's not like it makes any difference. Just hide Opera with Ctrl+H.

Opera download manager is superior, because it can resume transfers and it supports BitTorrent protocol.

[Mao]

THE aquarius???




so old players are still alive

[Aquarius]

Always ready to smite Firefox fanboys.

[SadistAtHeart]

And I'm ready to smite fanboys of all types.

[Spyder]

I knew Aquarius would post in this thread =)

[frogboy]

Also Opera passes Acid2 test and Firefox doesn't.
Source:
http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html

Ouch.

Firefox 3 will pass Acid2, and a development branch of it already has passed Acid2. However, Acid2 compliance only means that an engine has implemented the rules required to pass it. At least both are better than IE though.

[bja888]

Always ready to smite Firefox fanboys.

And you do a good job at that.

If opears advertising didn't me feel like opera is the "cool thing to do" then I would use it.

[FliesLikeABrick]

Firefox doesn't release any memory if you close the main window and leave the download manager opened.

someone needs to start testing out a newer version of firefox.

[Graham]

Hey fanboys... ever think people use a certain browse just cause they like it better? I have tried firefox and opera, I liked firefox better. Also like Ru said, if its not IE its ok.

[.neten k!ng`]

Ive used Internet Explorer for... about 3 years without knowing (or giving a damn) about any other Browsers, i only downloaded it when i saw this topic, and now i use it always, i deleted all the IE shortcuts i could find, i am thinking of downloading Opera to see what its like, but another question ive got is... are there any other browsers besides IE, Firefox and Opera?

[ElephantHunter]

Are there any other browsers besides IE, Firefox and Opera?

None worth mentioning.

Bah... Here the ones I can remember off the top of my head: Safari, Camino, iCab, SeaMonkey (Mozilla), Lynx, Amaya, Google Browser (hehe), Epiphany, and w3m.

Edit: Linkified. Note that not all of these browsers will run natively on Windows. I seriously discourage even bothering to test any of the above off-browsers.

[bja888]

lol @ nutscrape. Not even worth mentioning any more.

Edit:
lol, sometimes I'm a little too impulsive...

[.neten k!ng`]

Thanks ElephantHunter, but i have this problem with me and i just must test all those browsers you linked, its like playing a new version of Soldat.


My friend downloads files at 2.4 KB/s with internet explorer, and he got firefox and it downloads at 9 - 12 KB/s and he still has dial-up and same computer, just differant browser

[EnEsCe]

This thread has turned into a browser-fanboy-mudpit fight...

Everyone knows Firefox owns. Opera sucks. It has a crap name!

[.neten k!ng`]

And of course EnEsCe has to kill the thread, geez thanks alot.

[MofoNofo]

GO NETSCAPE NAVIGATOR!

(i use firefox)

[Tallacaps]

This thread has turned into a browser-fanboy-mudpit fight...

Everyone knows Firefox owns. Opera sucks. It has a crap name!

When or where you want Opera users can kick ass to firefox users.
Choose a soldat server.

[Fluffy]

Even our school uses Firefox.

[bja888]

Even our school uses Firefox.

As does Rollins

[a-4-year-old]

i wish ours did, our computers are already bad enough, they are bogged down with a bunch of spyware from people downloading shit

[.neten k!ng`]

- rtb.mocheeze.com support Firefox hardout as well.


- My school uses Firefox and Opera, except Opera is in the H drive and Firefox is on the desktop 

[FliesLikeABrick]

Clicky

So far in October, Firefox has officially become more popular on here than Internet Explorer.  It passed IE some time in the past couple of days

[bja888]

Hey look at that! Now can we go to a tableless layout?

[13579]

Actually I.E. is slightly faster then firefox and has less security holes. I will try to find the website that explanes all this, you will even get banned from one of the firefox forums for posting it!

But Firefox owns all.

So many plugins. Right now I have grease monkey, foxy tunes, video downloader 1.0 and 2.0, faster fox, and a few others I can't think of right now. It owns all.

[.neten k!ng`]

 • Internet Explorer: 40.37%;
 • Mozilla: 24.99%;
 • Firefox: 20.39%;
 • Opera: 8.20%;
 • Safari: 5.31%;
 • Konqueror: 0.74%.

The apparent current stats

[FliesLikeABrick]

• Internet Explorer: 40.37%;
 • Mozilla: 24.99%;
 • Firefox: 20.39%;
 • Opera: 8.20%;
 • Safari: 5.31%;
 • Konqueror: 0.74%.

The apparent current stats

I'm guessing those are general browser usage stats you got from somewhere?  can you link to where you got them?

[Spyder]

IE 7.0 is out

[Valorman]

Installing right now. Im hearing Its a good browser. Ill tell ya how it is when Im done messing with it.

Happy edit: Definetly faster then IE. Its my default browser now. 

[FliesLikeABrick]

Actually I.E. is slightly faster then firefox and has less security holes. I will try to find the website that explanes all this, you will even get banned from one of the firefox forums for posting it!

But Firefox owns all.

So many plugins. Right now I have grease monkey, foxy tunes, video downloader 1.0 and 2.0, faster fox, and a few others I can't think of right now. It owns all.

you are the only person I've ever seen to say that IE is faster and has fewer security holes than firefox.  Mind taking the time to find your source?

If you're talking about that group of people who analyzed the source code of firefox and found a ton of coding bugs, that really doesn't count.  Firefox is a huge program with about 40MB of source code.  A couple hundred small bugs is nothing.  Also, you can't use that to compare it to IE since IE is closed-source and no such testing has ever been done to it.  if IE's code was tested, I suspect the number of bugs and security holes would be easily 10 to 100 times higher than that of firefox.

As for speed... I just have no idea what you're talking about.  IE randomly takes 20 seconds to do things when I click on something simple, using a ton of disk activity to load some obscenely large backend or do something completely unrelated.

so...  sources?


edit: on another note, I've been using firefox 2  for the past day or so, and I must say that I'm liking what I'm seeing.  there are a lot of small changes and useful features that are very, very nice.

[Sotija]

Well because i use Firefox im glad

[FliesLikeABrick]

Some more data on versions in specific.  This will be interesting to watch as IE7 is installed on more and more peoples' computers.  I suspect that IE usage will continue to drop and FX will increase to 2.0, but the remaining IE usage will become mostly IE7

http://forums.soldat.pl/awstats/awstats.pl?month=11&year=2006&output=browserdetail&config=forums.soldat.pl&framename=index

change the month to see the growth of FX 2.0 and IE7

[bja888]

IE 7 gets ~%5 on the sites I'm watching. And those are the people who need to upgrade.

[The Red Guy]

I use Opera.

[Dascoo]

I use Opera.

[Wraithlike]

I use Opera.

[Death MachineX350]

FIREFOX FTW!!!!!!!!