The other auto

[SDFilm]

Really, why are regular FN Minimi users by far the most rare of autos and maybe even of all primaries?

I dont actualy mind that its relitivly rare/forgotten, because the sence of individualy in servers is part of its charm.

I know Minimi users arn't that rare, but the other autos do seem more common. In some weapon balance suggestions it is sometimes not mentioned yet all the others are, and in the http://wiki.soldat.nl/Index there was no description for it in the weapons section apart from the title until I added a description (although there is a dicription in the weapons individual page).

I would have thought that people will be attracted to the large clip size and the way that is is a very all-round weapon with its decent damage/Rate Of Fire ratio, its large clip and good range.  Are people put off by the bink?

[AaaaaaaahhhHH!!!]

it's my favorite weapon.

it's the biggest machine gun out there. for MEN. (not including minigun, which looks so cool...but so weak...)

it's accuracy is more accurate than ak, and any other autos.

you can still do fast click shots.

yea, i guess most people don't understand. FN mini appears to be weak because of the weak damage while slower firing rate.

EDIT: nice added description lol.

[Eagles_Arrows]

You'll see several R/S players with Minimis.  Pink Smurf<HOMO>, for instance.

I still use it.  The reload sets me back, but I get good kills from it. 

[AaaaaaaahhhHH!!!]

i've just been reading the other weapons there....they all suck, the descriptions i meant.

not all lol, but most of them.
this is wiki, it's suppose to be focused on describing the weapon while giving out small tips or facts about the weapon..

but if you look at the ruger section, the dude begins by telling you how to kill an opponent.
then he even write "mancer's tip for using ruger" below.

IT'S NOT A STRATEGY GUIDE, IT'S A ENCYCLOPEDIA INFORMATION DICTIONARY.....ONLINE.

[CardBoardWarrior]

It's a good weapon. I admit I have completely forgot about it for some reason.

[Mistercharles]

Maybe because it's not clustered with all the other autos (minigun doesn't count).

[Twistkill]

It's my favorite weapon besides the MP5. I've become quite accurate with quick bursts by clicking many times instead of holding down the button.

[swebonny]

It will be good for me if some speed could be added

Else m79 is the best...not auto..

[T-Bone]

the FN as whole isnt forgotten, its just misunderstood. I think most people see it my the minigun and are like"uhhh this is prolly like this piece of crap" I think the way it is put in the menu causes it to be unused as funny as that sounds

[GNU]

In the Australian servers, this used to be the dominant gun back in 1.2.1 times.

Nearly everyone used to use it in clanwars and it's still used a fair bit these days.

Having said that, the Australian servers are still dominated by auto's and we don't really have the problem with M79's that everyone always complains about.

[Jermies]

Quite a few of the DM pros in Australia use Minimis...
And GNU... in CTF there is still many noobs with M79s...

[Nightcrawler]

I'm an Aussie, and when i play DM i use the Minimi. It's really handy because it's got such a big clip and does decent damage.

[GNU]

in CTF there is still many noobs with M79s...

Yeah but not as many as there could be I suppose...

Plus if it gets too bad just play in GA#5 \m/


Minimi rocks.

[Jermies]

Communal doesn't work for me   

[Zero72]

I use it occasionally, but then, I use just about everything occasionally. I prefer the AK-74 for some reason. The Minimi isn't a bad weapon, it just doesn't appeal to me as much as the others.

[Neozuki]

I think the reason it doesnt appel to people is the sound of the weapon and its shape. All the other guns (besides law and minigun) are small.  The reason I say sound is because after using the Halo mod, the Ak seemed a whole lot better.

Maybe its just a state of mind.

[Gold]

Im a minimi user.... always

[vulbastick]

It is too my most used weapon
m79 and Minimi

[Replica]

In the Australian servers, this used to be the dominant gun back in 1.2.1 times.

Nearly everyone used to use it in clanwars and it's still used a fair bit these days.

Having said that, the Australian servers are still dominated by auto's and we don't really have the problem with M79's that everyone always complains about.

Truth.  Probably the most used auto in Aus. servers. 

GNU rocks!  \m/

[Graham]

I think people relate it to the mini really and try to stay away from it, I know i did for a bit. I still don't use it but i know its an effective weapon.

[AaaaaaaahhhHH!!!]

it's the most accurate auto, that's all. (assumig you don't hold it down but click very fast)

but with the 50 bullets clip it's very effective, in nonreaslistic or reaslistic.

too bad the long reload.

[BooBoo McBad]

It's an awesome weapon, if you miss a good Minimi too much or run out of ammo they will surely waste you with all the ammo.

They are also powerful and connect easily, are great weapons for pursuing people in flag games because it lasts so long and aims just right.

A good Minimi user can even dominate an HK user because they can try for all headshots in close, and it does massive damage, while with HK you just kind of have to let the bullets go off.

I love it, but I love Deagles more.

EDIT : As for sound and looks, it's a sexy gun =D It's like having a cannon, that noise is awesome DUDUDUDU! and it just looks awesome on them because of it's size

[Zegovia]

Its good in one on one battles, since youll have a fair amount of bullets left when the opponet has to reload....

[Sotija]

I like Fn minimi.And its not owerpowerd

[S4R]

Minigun is by far the best weapon ever. Minimi is so/so, but I use it for Princesses & Unicorns in the SRL. :p

[Plonkoon]

Minimi is my favorite, With a full clip I can usually clear out everyone and if not that's what the knife is for.   

[Le MeSsiE {neo}]

It's a weapon like the others.
Now, it's not good seen if you don't go on the same direction's people. So take it and laugh .

[Rooster]

In the Australian servers, this used to be the dominant gun back in 1.2.1 times.

Nearly everyone used to use it in clanwars and it's still used a fair bit these days.

Having said that, the Australian servers are still dominated by auto's and we don't really have the problem with M79's that everyone always complains about.

Yes.

[Twistkill]

When I do use the Minimi, the long reload is a problem, so I eithier hide and wait for it to reload, or I take out my socom and finish off the enemy. Then I have enough time to reload.

[JBL]

Minimi is good, but since I cant click fast, it sux...

[Pathos]

I don't use it because I think its cheap, its just too overpowered.

bah I usually stay away from autos anyway.

[Nightcrawler]

In the Australian servers, this used to be the dominant gun back in 1.2.1 times.

Nearly everyone used to use it in clanwars and it's still used a fair bit these days.

Having said that, the Australian servers are still dominated by auto's and we don't really have the problem with M79's that everyone always complains about.

Yeah, that's true, but even with the minimal ammount of M79 users (i use it  ) I have found people still bitch and moan about it. GET OVER IT, PEOPLE!

[Plonkoon]

Minimi is good, but since I cant click fast, it sux...

wtf does that mean?  You hold down the mouse button to fire.

[Twistkill]

Minimi is good, but since I cant click fast, it sux...

wtf does that mean?  You hold down the mouse button to fire.

There's a lot of bink if you keep the mouse button down, so if he can't click fast, that means he's stuck with an inaccurate gun.

[Juggernaut]

i even click shoot sometimes with steyr at long ranges.

but if you don't click shoot with FN minimi, then you probably ca'nt do much with it.

[MWTBDLTR]

Ok, SDfilm im shure you remember me as being that one guy that talked to you about being one of the only true minimi loyalists.  I have been playing for about a year if not more, and a good percent of the time i have been using the minimi.  Want proof???

http://dyn.u13.net:6080/index.php?p=statsweapon&weaponname=FN_Minimi&server=CDM

look whos on top, and by how far

[Zero72]

Yeah, I forgot at the time, but the Minimi has a lot of self-bink, which is kind of a turnoff for me. Given a choice between it and the AK, give me the latter. I do still use it, though.

[Officer_Bulbock]

I use the minimi quite often. Thub thub thub!

[Noz]

People don't use it because they still remember how terribly overpowered it was in 1.2.*

It's still a noobstick as far as most are conscerned,

[pero]

Cause ak and steyr are better.

[CheeSeMan.]

it's accuracy is more accurate than ak, and any other autos.

I think the aug more accurate isnt it?

[SDFilm]

^
I'm not sure about the ak, but the minimi is defiantly more accurate than the aug as long as you keep that bink tamed.


I like the Minimi because its a very versatile weapon. At long ranges you can use it like an autocannon by clicking it (thub-thub-thub-thub), at short ranges you just let-rip with either holding down the fire button or clicking it very fast. And as I said before, there is also the nice feeling of individuality in the server, along with my all-camouflage look.

[Mr. Domino]

I started using the Minimi over the AK as my auto of choice thanks to this thread, and I love it. The large clip is terrific, and it has a great firing rate and accurancy for an auto.

[SDFilm]

Welcome into the comradeship of the Minimi!

That would be my answer, but because I like being the only minimier in the server, I would like to say: Get out! that’s moi weapon! Feck off!

Me thinking after seeing anougher Minimier: Look! A fellow minimier battleing against predudice and Rugerers! *salutes*, Oi! Im supposed to be the only Minimier, you will never beat me! MWHahahaa......

[MWTBDLTR]

SD we still have to have a minimi 1v1 one of these days

[SDFilm]

Then install msn, because aol sucks arse.  

[Avarax]

Eagles Arrows is right, it is very nice in RS, i always use it for fast rushs because with the big magazine you can kill 3-4 people in one clip.

[soldatsniper]

i dont use any auto's lol. personaly, all due with respect, i prefer one-shot guns, like barret or m79. those take skill. but auto's and machine guns...you just spray around hoping to kill someone...But auto's can be good too, for there binks, and fire power.

[GNU]

i i prefer one-shot guns, like barret or m79. those take skill. but auto's and machine guns...you just spray around hoping to kill someone.

So a gun that kills in one bullet takes more skill than a gun that kills with 10+ bullets?

Explain.

[Zamorak]

Technically it does take more skill.

Since you have 50 or so shots to use with a minimi, but you only haveo ne to use with a 1shot and you have to use that effectively or you are dead. So, if you miss with other weaps you can still get a kill.. not with 1 shots.

[Meep.]

Different guns take different kinds of skills.  Autos can be sprayed but you won't deal a quick death blow unless you aim for the upper torso area.  Barrets and such do take aiming, of course, but you can spray with these (to a certain extent) as well.

[Zamorak]

Whenever you fire an auto it is spraying.

[Meep.]

Unless you do burst firing 

[Juggernaut]

did that guy just told us barrett and m79 takes more skills....

[Twistkill]

Whenever you fire an auto it is spraying.

Total garbage. Spraying is simply blind firing in the general direction of someone that's off-screen or at the edge of the screen and hoping to hit them. Using an auto effectively is shooting at them with burst-firing like Meep said, and gaining kills with it. I can use the Minimi effectively by burst-firing, and I hate it when someone calls me a sprayer, because I certainly am not.

[GNU]

did that guy just told us barrett and m79 takes more skills....

The Barret is harder to use these days with start-up and bink. But then again the auto's self bink too.

Maybe... just maybe..... they're balanced?!?!?

and I hate it when someone calls me a sprayer, because I certainly am not.

It is annoying when you get called a sprayer, then again, you'd probably call someone a noob if they kept M79'ing you from point blank range.... in that case /mute wins all.

[Zamorak]

Unless you are %100 accurate with auto, than the bullets you miss with turn into spray. So everytime you fire auto there is spray.

[GNU]

Unless you are %100 accurate with auto, than the bullets you miss with turn into spray. So everytime you fire auto there is spray.

So in order to control that spray and hit your target, it takes skill.

[SDFilm]

i dont use any auto's lol. personaly, all due with respect, i prefer one-shot guns, like barret or m79. those take skill. but auto's and machine guns...you just spray around hoping to kill someone...But auto's can be good too, for there binks, and fire power.

And I suppose you would know that, being the veterian auto user that you are. 

You cannot expect to get anywhere far against half decent opponents by just "spraying around". Believe it or not, you do have to aim with autos, and although there are more bullets, I should not need to remind you that these bullets are much more slow and less powerful than your skilled 1-hit-kill ones. When you fire an auto you have to keep your aim steady on the target until you get those 7-12 bullets into that running target. With the Barret, its all over in a second-no need to keep an aim anymore because the soldat is not running.

When I get killed by an auto user I respect the fact that he had better control over his weapon, where as with 1-hit-kill weapons I fell more cheated because its all over in a single click that maybe used some calculation if it was a mid-long range shot.


 

[Plonkoon]

Minimi is my favorite weapon and yes you do have to aim.  Those who think otherwise must not be very good with it.  Another aspect of using autos you have to use strategy, for example, you need to attack an enemy in a way that you can keep them close to you so you dont have to adjust your aim to much, and if you attack from above you get a lot of headshots.

[Juggernaut]

Unless you are %100 accurate with auto, than the bullets you miss with turn into spray. So everytime you fire auto there is spray.

are you 100 accuate with barrett?

personnal, like most of the player here, i have learned to some extent how to use every single weapon (even minigun from time to time). i can't say i "mastered" barrett, because i do miss from time to time (oh don't bullshit me, you know you all miss sometimes).

but i donno if it's just me, but i find it much easier to use barrett than autos, and i have been using it a lot recently. even though i had a longer time with autos in the past, because i had to constantly worry about tapping the mouse, or fire in short speed, and also use nads, backflips and rolls. but with barrett, i never use nads, it seems unnessecery. after all, learn the arc, get used to the differnt angles when you fire the barrett, then just hold and fire.

the start up time is also very easy to get used to, i can now basicly hold on to fire as soon as i see enemy, then aim.

[Lunerfox]

I would agree that Barret and M79 takes more skill if they get ONE shot. Most of the time, M79ers and Barreters can get 2, or maybe 3 shots in before he gets gunned down.

[T-Bone]

an m79 can get maybe 3 shots in a big firefight, but a barrett prolly wont last 3 shots(depending on the situation)

[SDFilm]

Grrr. Just now I was called a sprayer by a barret user   .


As I said before: There are too many people that define spraying as simply firing an auto fast or at long range, even if its done accurately with skill. Sometimes people act as if auto users are supposed to fire autos at the same rate as Rugers if they are not to be lame 

The term "with autos you just have to spray" is used far too loosely and by those who normally don’t even use autos.  When people say "spraying" they make it sound as if all an auto user has to do is hold down the fire button and let the large amount of bullets take its course. The autos bullets are weaker, slower and have shorter range, plus you have to keep a good aim for a much longer period than 1-hit-kill weapons.

With the Barret, there is no ark, there is little difference between the time of firing and hitting the target. It may be more risky with one bullet, but that one deadly bullet has almost no calculation time apart from the delay which you can just prepare just before you start to aim.

[Zamorak]

First of all, there is an arc with barret, it is just very subtle. There is alot of calculation taken into account with barret, I can hit people off screen with it pretty well(not sprayed). Staying alive with barret is called tactics, which require skill. Barret is actually very easily supressed by those who know what they are doing, therefore it requires more skill to avoid that supression... Auto's dont really have to worry that much about if they get hit a little, they dont have bink.

And on a good day Juggernaut, I can come close to %80+ accuracy(1v1, too much spray in higher #'s of people)

[SDFilm]

I'm not saying that the barret recuiress no skill, I meant that bullet for bullet, the barret is alot easyer as long as you are not binked. And I do know that staying alive with the barret recuires skill as I used to use it.

And this spray you talk about- would you agree that autos will be much more balanced and fair if it had the rate of fire of the ruger? Although missing a shot does not matter as much as missing a shot with the barret, you still have to aim very well if you want to actualy kill anything.

[Zamorak]

Not with mp5.

[jrgp]

It is a very good weapon.

I remeber that long time when no one(including me) used it.

and with all weapons it has it's pros and cons.

PROS:
-can kill fast
-large clip
-great acuracy
CONS:
-slow reload
-turns off noobs with it's slow auto fireing
-not too good when up againsts alot of people at once

[SDFilm]

Not with mp5.

True, the minigun (not minimi) and the mp5 are the only weapons in soldat that can be fairly given the "spray" label.

[Jester]

I used to like the minimi the most but soon i found out i needed a real quick shooting wepon with a quick relode.  when i want that i go to my styre aug.  if i need mor accuraccy ill go to the ak.  the fn just dosent cut it for me anymore.

[Seancapsyourass]

Most people know enough about soldat etiquette to know that people don't like other people using it...

[T-Bone]

you cant say that all autos are just spray...yes the mp5 has a lot of sprayers using it, but the range is quite poor, so distant enemies are hard to kill since there is such a big arch to deal with. And i beleive it takes 8 MP5 bullets to kill an enemy, and at a distance, that is not that easy especially when the enemy has a long range weapon

EDIT: because of the MP5's poor range, i actually dont use it that often, i use Deagles 90% of the time

[Juggernaut]

mp5 takes a lot of skills too, you pretty much can't hit anything at long range with it because if only 1 out of 5 bullets hits the enemy (that's very lucky if you spray), you can't kill a single enemy unless you spend two clip to it. mp5 also has to master bursts. i know this because i tried it and frankly i suck with it at long range.

see? zamorak? i actually try weapons and knows a few things about them before i actually post here.

First of all, there is an arc with barret, it is just very subtle. There is alot of calculation taken into account with barret, I can hit people off screen with it pretty well(not sprayed). 

right..the only thing you have to learn with barret is the arc. and if you didn't already know that...the arc with autos and any other guns out there are much bigger and much less predictable.

Staying alive with barret is called tactics, which require skill.

the need for learning "how to survive longer with a barrett" only occurs if you suck at predicting the arc and miss. frankly if you do use barrett well you shouldn't miss, unless in special situations as i stated earlier, afterall it's just a little getting used to the arc, then it's just point and click.

Barret is actually very easily supressed by those who know what they are doing, therefore it requires more skill to avoid that supression... Auto's dont really have to worry that much about if they get hit a little, they dont have bink.

again...all my barrett shots kill enemies at a fairly long distance. the reason you somehow always charge at enemy to shoot them is beyond me.
actually, autos do, because they'd be dead if they get hit by you, autos who knows what they're doing can do all kinds of stuff that throw you off your aim, such as first fly up, then suddenly jet down (the reason i miss sometimes with barrett).

And on a good day Juggernaut, I can come close to %80+ accuracy(1v1, too much spray in higher #'s of people)

i suggest you try all the weapons before you speak. barrett is easier to use than autos in my opinion, either that or i suck at autos, because i can pretty much never miss unless in few occasions, if you miss every 1 out of 5 shots...then you suck with barrett too then, maybe that confused you into thinking it's a harder weapon to use?

EDIT: hmm..maybe the reason i think autos are harder to use is also because i suck with autos. although i do feel barrett is much easier to use. and unlike zamorak, i used both weapon. maybe if zamorak tried autos too and say he gets more kills with it in clan wars maybe we'll believe he's telling the truth?

[T-Bone]

Thank you juggernaut for being the first non-auto user who actually appreciates and understands the guns before they flame and post crap about any gun they dont use

[SDFilm]

Most people know enough about soldat etiquette to know that people don't like other people using it...

I wont touch the minigun with a ten-foot pole, but the Minimi!? You can't be serious. I think you're living in 1.2.1

I see myself as a fair and 'gentlemanly' player. I don’t hack, I don’t camp, I don’t excessively spawnkill unless they spawn near me (what are ya gonna do when someone spawns hear you?). I just generally don’t play in a 'lame' way.  But if someone thinks that I shouldn't use the minimi on morale grounds, then that’s their fault for being an ignorant whining twat.

And yes, thanks Juggernaut for understinding weapons before positing about them. And I admit that I rarely use the mp5 

[jbigz]

Unless you are %100 accurate with auto, than the bullets you miss with turn into spray. So everytime you fire auto there is spray.

So everytime you miss with an M79 grenade, thats spray too? how bout when you miss with barret? SPRAY? or even LAW, spray? Soccom, SPRAY? ..... CHAINSAW, SSPPRRAAYY? lol i had to get htat out. if you miss once or twice without meaning to, your not spraying. me, myself i dont usually burstfire. i click EVERY bullet out. that way it stays PERFECT fire. i can click fast.

[ds dude]

Autos dont spray unless your aiming like crazy everywhere.Without spraying with an auto you just aim and shoot them accurately dont splash it everywhere.

[BooBoo McBad]

I decided not to quote him but juggernaut, although I agre it's not an easy thing to aim with HK from afar, there are techniques to improve them, I am very good with the HK.