M79 and Barret Unfair?

[excruciator]

depends, I dont think you would be using barrett when everybody else is spraying with minigun and 3 time out of 4 minigun makes u bink

[Yukwunhang]

Don't comment on a weapon when you never use it.

[ArmedManiac]

The barret IS balanced, but there has to at least be 6 people in the server. I think that you need to realize what the barret man is thinking. "Ok, i got a kill, now I gotta run back as fast as possible or pull out my seconda... crap, a guy with a ak is killing me I haven't reloaded yet... Oh no I am dead after only 1 kill." If you look at someones kill/death ratio it is usually 4 kills 16 deaths.

[cr4sh]

i find the best strategy to get a barreter is to charge them like a madman with a chainsaw.  At least you can have fun whilst being owned.

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@cr4sh - The fact that the barreter is vulnerable after missing or having to reload doessnt make thi gun any less annoying to get killed by. Getting killed by Barret or an M79 just annoys me (and obviously most others) where as other guns do not. Not to mention that I spent a day using only m79 instead of my common deagles, and I was able to get my enemies 99% of the time, even against their attempted dodges.

@Cato - Hahaha I had my share of taking people out with the minigun, but it just takes too damn long. Not just the time to wait to fire, but waiting to hit the person with enough bullets to kill him is long too. I'm not saying it cant be done, but it's kinda hard.

@Yukwunhang - jesus christ... Read my last paragraph in the theory dummy. If me and other soldat players are frustrated with it, I can comment on it.

@ArmedManiac - I know, It's been modified like hell to make less people use it, but nothing done to it made it less frustrating to be killed by.

[Ajnin Ezakimak]

Is the knife unfair?

I mean it kills instantly, and can be retrieved and thrown again in quick sucession.

ZOMG?


Just because a weapon kills instantly, doesn't mean it's imbalanced.  I agree M79 is a paaain in the butt sometimes, but it's countered really easily.

[Hootie hoo]

After some kills back and forth, Dagerous Dave is now using the trusty Barret and Danko is still using the Mp5, and they are both at 100% health. Danko and Dangerous Dave both see each other at the same time again. Dangerous Dave is able to blast Danko with the barret at the same time Danko was about to shoot. Danko is dead at 0% health, while Dangerous Dave is at 100%. this 100% health gives Dangerous Dave the oppurtunity to pull off that exact act again, giving him the same easy possibility to get kills.

No. At close range, the MP5 owns the Barrett. If you spray him with bullets, his accuracy isn't going to be so good, now is it?
I'm getting better with the M79. It has one shot, a somewhat annoying but easy to coep with reload time, and the speed is low so you have to get used to the arc.
All you have to do to dodge an M79 shot is jet if you're in the air, or move a few steps to the left or right.
I'll admit, though, that I don't like how good people can get with the Barrett. My clan's sister/rival clan has some excellent Barretters, which is annoying, but they're good with the Barrett because they're skilled, not cheap.

[Yukwunhang]

@Yukwunhang - jesus christ... Read my last paragraph in the theory dummy. If me and other soldat players are frustrated with it, I can comment on it.

No, you can't. 'Frustrated' is just a personal feeling, it's like saying 'I feel frustrated/annoyed when I'm killed by a skilled player. omg unfair.'

However an experienced soldat player could use his barret or m79 and get direct shots 9/10 times.

Second, how about YOU try to get experienced with barret and get a 9:1 KD? You don't know how excatly a weapon works if you never use it. Hence, don't comment on it.

Okay, assume what you said is right, those weapons are unfair. Then you should blame on the game, but not the players. People use them because they work and they can have fun with them. There's nothing wrong with trying to have fun when you are playing a game. We don't go 'okay im gonna use a different weapon so you can enjoy the game more and I can enjoy the game less.'

If you are so frustrated and don't find Soldat enjoyable, then don't play it at all.

"The world is unfair, get use to it." - Bill Gates

[Ziem]

Oh... i must agree : Barret and m79 is unfair
But why? Just cos' its overused <especially in pubs> and if ~4 opponents are carrying barret, its annoing.

M79 -- run away from close-mid range 'n' kill
Counter : in most CTF situations its very useful because
1. You are running to the flag <with .. auto? de's? //no ruger, no barret// >
2. Enemy is running to the flag <with. of course, m79 >
--->b00m ... Sorry you are dead. <---

Barret -- bink'em all!
Counter : Bink system <only 3 paths of bullet ... I hope it will change in 1.3.2 plzzz >

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@ajnin - I think you're missing my point. They aren't as much unfair as they are annoying to be killed by. The bogus thread title kinda throws you off. The knife however is annoying to be killed by as well, but sometimes you live through it if it hits you in the feet, or slowly.

@Yukwunhang - Yes i can. because having fun is a personal feeling as well. I happen to be guaranteed that fun is the reason you downloaded soldat to begin with. You fail it once again.

"Okay, assume what you said is right, those weapons are unfair. Then you should blame on the game, but not the players. People use them because they work and they can have fun with them. There's nothing wrong with trying to have fun when you are playing a game. We don't go 'okay im gonna use a different weapon so you can enjoy the game more and I can enjoy the game less.'

If you are so frustrated and don't find Soldat enjoyable, then don't play it at all.

"The world is unfair, get use to it." - Bill Gates"

okay capitalist, You failed ONCE AGAIN. I have two goals. To revive the soldat players that played before the bad habits of people always using M79 and Barret. My second goal is to make the game more fun for EVERYONE, and not just the select people that want to make the game easier for themselves. Everyone should be equal in terms of getting the fun out of soldat. (check my communist gamer icon)
Personally the barrets and m79s aren't bothering me as much as my buddies who gave up on the soldat community. Those barreters and m79ers are takig away their fun. I want them back.

@Hootie hoo - No one said Danko and Dangerous Dave were close to each other. But agreed the Mp5 can be devastating up close. however with an Mp5, since the bullets cannont kill instantly, the barret still has its possibility of winning even up close because it can bring an enemies health down much faster than you can even dream of the mp5 doing. The m79 arc is nothing, If you use Mp5 or deagles then you'll have no complaints of the m79 grenade falling.

You are also right that barreters must be skilled... (not really, but that's just my opinion, it is still a simple point and click weapon to me) But the fact that they are annoying is why i made this thread. Why dont you see any expert steyrers? or ak74ers? or deaglers? or shotgunners? or even Minigunners? It is always m79ers or barreters that are considered the most talented. Can anyone care to explain that?

[Ziem]

Why dont you see any expert steyrers? or ak74ers? or deaglers? or shotgunners? or even Minigunners? It is always m79ers or barreters that are considered the most talented. Can anyone care to explain that?

Because 'expert players' aren't playing on pubs...

[papercut]

Then why are the Expert M79ers and Barreters playing on pubs, and not the ak74, steyr, deagles, etc. experts?

[Mr. Domino]

Because 'expert players' aren't playing on pubs...

This is an ignorant viewpoint which needs to die.

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

I guess what I am trying to point out is that for whatever reason, I find it to be a lot less annoying when I can predict my death (seeing the bullets hit my guy, seeing my health drain away).

One hit kill weapons are just not fun to get killed by.

*sigh* To quote myself:

The problem is, people are annoyed when they are killed in one hit.  At least in a prolonged firefight, even if you're going to lose, you feel like you have a fighting chance.  You don't get that with instakill weapons.  I've seen people complain about being chainsawed, knifed, and barretted, even though all of those take a decent amount of skill on the attacker's part.  In a game of competition, people get frustrated when there is none.  I'm not saying we should remove these weapons; I'm just analyzing the psychology behind it.

Also:

The weapons are balanced.  The question of balance occurs when new players (and many regular players) fail to recognize disadvantageous situations.  Of course you're going to die if you charge an m79 or shotgun.  Obviously you'll lose if you try to take on an auto with a binkable weapon.  That doesn't mean the weapons are unbalanced; it just means that you don't know how to make the best of your situation.  Experienced players take advantage of (or avoid) these mismatches, which is why they do much better.  Any weapon looks overpowered in the hands of an expert.  Any weapon looks weak in the hands of a novice.  You might be surprised at how often a new player will miss with the m79.  If he hits you one out of five times, the instakill will still be annoying.  But that doesn't mean the weapon is overpowered.

Again, the weapons are very well balanced.  Before you complain that a weapon is overpowered, try it out yourself.  Before you complain that a weapon is underpowered, look for people who constantly use that weapon.  Don't you think they have a reason for making it their primary?  Lastly, experiment with new tactics.  Learn how to avoid the instakill shots.  Learn how to avoid self-bink.  Learn which weapons are best against others.  But please, stop complaining that the weapons are unbalanced.

[-Vis-]

I still say that if they really were balanced, they wouldn't be so grossly overused in pub servers, simple as that.

[Ziem]

Because 'expert players' aren't playing on pubs...

This is an ignorant viewpoint which needs to die.

Okay then, there are some .. but they are very rare.

[Will]

here's how I deal with m79ers:

When he's running to you and going to shoot at ya , simply go back still aiming at him and shooting and do the backflip with the jets. That way the grenade will prolly hit the ground and push you a little in the air . Then you have the height advantage and prolly  half of  a clip and a couple of frag grenades . Then you know what to do

here's how I deal with barreters:

Simple... don't run away. Just keep running at him and try to get over him if he didn't shoot already.
If he's proning then he'll have to get up and that buys you time to kill him.

I personally don't mind if a experienced barreter kills me . Ussualy barreters who
prone in the air are not n00bs and I respect that kind of people. But you have to take advantage of the time it takes to get up from proning position

[Mr. Domino]

here's how I deal with m79ers:

When he's running to you and going to shoot at ya , simply go back still aiming at him and shooting and do the backflip with the jets. That way the grenade will prolly hit the ground and push you a little in the air . Then you have the height advantage and prolly  half of  a clip and a couple of frag grenades .

Backflipping doesn't work on the M79 -- it's too slow even when adding jet. The M79 launches really fast, even for a "slow" weapon. It's only a slow weapon when the M79er sends a shot sailing to hit a far off target. If the splash damage doesn't kill you, then you'll likely get knocked away from the M79er anyway putting you out of killing range and giving him time to reload. It's a great weapon in mid to close range combat.

[papercut]

It is pretty impossible to dodge direct m79 or barret shots, being that they obviously ome too fast to react to. M79s can be avoided sometimes if they are shot into the air and not directly at their target.

LAW gamer is right that it is the psychology of being killed with a single projectile, and I totally agree with them. People are reccomending that I deal with m79s and barrets by rushing them with autos.

We are both people, its not like m79ers and barreters have weaker reaction time than anyone else does. If you figure a barreter or an m79er against anyone else using a non-one-hit-kill weapon, the barreter or m79er can take out his opponent with a single shot, while the other person maybe able to get a shot on him but not kill him.

I still in a sense believe that the barrets and m79s are unfair for this reason. However, it does not bother me as much as it does other people, and I am standing up for them.

I just wanna say that the people who use m79s or barrets should reconsider their habits because its pissing people off, and I pray that when you're playing soldat, your not killing them to make them mad. I just want everyone to have their equal share of fun. I try to do this by using the least common weapons, an the ones that are harder for myself to use. No one deserves to get a lesser benefit out of soldat.

This is quite a stretch, but I am pretty sure that I have 2 solutions to make every gun perfectly balanced.

-Erase any guns ability to kill with a single shot (Some may argue)
-Allow every gun to kill with a single shot (Loads will argue)

Granted that maybe soldat doesn't have to be perfectly balanced as it would toast its variety in weapon choices.

I still support my idea of the 2 shot kill m79 with huge explosion radius and short reload, as I mentioned in another topiic.

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

-Erase any guns ability to kill with a single shot (Some may argue)

Just run a server that disables these weapons.

-Allow every gun to kill with a single shot (Loads will argue)

Play realism mode.  That's about as close as you're going to get to that idea.