M79 and Barret Unfair?

[FliesLikeABrick]

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[Zero Ziat]

Dear, Mr.binary, dude, guy, dot between lots of dots:

First. It's not a complain/request, it's a fact/opinion.

Second, I said "try to use new weapons" not, change.

Third, try to paragraph your posts. I refuse to waste my time in thick text blocks. (I said try, not do.)

Fourth, not me, it's we(quantity of soldat players) who just don't see the action and the actual combat doing all the "brave" and awesome action of the point and click M79 (and sometimes barret).

Five, NO, I can kick M79 users in their butthole, but still it's annoying go beating the hell out of somebody and 7 freaking dudes come with their "uber whippinz" and kill you then some hispanic guys say "jajaja" or "q mierda" and 8 year boys say "hahaha" and other idiots say "lolpwnt".

Finally, I recognise some of the stuff you've said in your post is correct, like weapons have a strength and a weakness.

Last. Not. Complaining.

Fair and square, answered, stated, counter attacked and enemy deducted.

^_^

(You call an opinion fucking up on the forums? Wrong.)

[1010011010]

So you're saying that people that derive amusement from using the M79 or Barret, TWO GUNS PUT INTO THE GAME, should stop using them so YOU can have fun?

What? What you're trying to imply is that because you cannot have fun because people who use totally legit guns are killing you? That's a little immature and selfish, don't you think?

[The Geologist]

Maybe he's talking about how the rampant use of those guns are affecting the game.  Sometimes it's hard to find a game without everyone in the server using them.

[1010011010]

Okay. Stop playing in servers that blow? Try R/S.

[jettlarue]

Maybe he's talking about how the rampant use of those guns are affecting the game.  Sometimes it's hard to find a game without everyone in the server using them.

That in no way means the guns are overpowered. Take the saw and the knife, the knife, theoretically the knife is better, but the saw is still used? Why would someone do that? Because games are for FUN.

[Zero Ziat]

Yay, people that get it and reply in a positive way. ^_^

And yeah, there are ocassions in every server where all of the people are using them.
Yup, boring to see that.

[Clawbug]

If M79 death can decrease the gaming experience to the level, that people need to come here to whine about it, I suggest those people to quiit playing.

People who only care about winning, should be nerfed t that point thei are nto able to play. That kind of players whine about everything. Hearing that kind of whine is not that nice to read, because it is usually pointless.

[popsofctown]

It is wrong to expect someone not to use a gun made available to them on a server.  similarly, unless it is clearly stated by the server admin otherwise, you cannot blame people for camping or spraying when that is the best way to win.  the exception of glitches are obvious and assumed to be unallowed.  Anything else, in soldat or any other game, is allowed by default.  not %$#^ lame by default.

[Zero Ziat]

It is wrong to expect someone not to use a gun made available to them on a server.  similarly, unless it is clearly stated by the server admin otherwise, you cannot blame people for camping or spraying when that is the best way to win.  the exception of glitches are obvious and assumed to be unallowed.  Anything else, in soldat or any other game, is allowed by default.  not %$#^ lame by default.

Reasonable and totally right I think you got it at this time.

[oneironaut]

these weapons are not unfair.  theyre merely annoyances because one shot kills are for cowards. 

[JonWood007]

Well, Im seriously not one to complain about things being overpowered. In many other games, i defend tactics that others consider cheap. If people want to run the flag on R/S or camp like crazy, let them. Other people complain about these things frequently, but I really dont care if people do these things, heck, sometimes I do them (especially running the flag in R/S). However, the M79 is a bit overpowered. It's the one hit kill thing.

I was just on CTF_Ash and this match truly was evidence that the M79 needs something. I was on the red team. Blue team was FULL of M79ers and they all camped up in their base. There were like 2 or 3 of them in there including the flag holder. I would invade and try to take out the M79ers. What happened? Every time i inflicted damage they would merely get a medkit and then blow me away with the M79. Where is the fairness in that? In order to finally get the flag out of the blue base, I died over a dozen times. Then they would just grab the flag and do it again. The problem is that with autos, which I use, you need to inflict manyu rounds of damage, and they could just grab a medkit or run away. All they need is me to pursue them and boom. I'm dead. And if I dont pursue them, then all the work I did would be in vain. They would get another medkit and Id basically have to start all over. Medkits wont do much for me, they only need one shot. I need many. And in small maps like Ash, it is easy to walk right into an M79 blast and have nowhere to run. I also would retrieve the flag, and any route i owuld take would be guarded by someone with a M79, and since it is hard to dodge, except at the ends of the map, it would be hard to dodge a shot from them. We did manage to hold our own to an extent, but still, it is extremely hard to crack a base with tons of M79ers. Medkits are useless to you, but to the enemy they are useful because any other weapon isnt a 1 hit kill weapon. And yeah. I would show a small demo I took at the very end of the match, but apparently I cant add demos to posts...

Also, I dont go around calling M79ers n00bs in the game, sometimes i show dislike for the weapon, but I never try to boot a M79er, I never insult a M79er personally, etc. Its part of the game. Thats why Im here in game suggestions and weapon balance complaining about it. It is part of the game, so I am here hoping that the game rules will change.

[The Bone Collector]

Okay. Stop playing in servers that blow? Try R/S.

Hehe...then you'll be met by those that regularly Whore the fuck outta the ruger....so that wouldn't help.

[popsofctown]

i dont agree with u jonwood, but im glad u dont tell ppl not to use one of their guns.  i would recommend going further and not commenting about the m79's unbalance shortly  after your death, (though i'm guilty), because they did beat you fair and square, at a game you have equal chance at.  here is the only place i beleive ppl should comment on balance, unless they decide they want to start a full discussion with someone.

[JonWood007]

Yeah, its just stupid to tell them not to use something in the game, and I dont. And I only make comments about the M79 is its a really bad game where I keep getting owned time and time again, which usually happens if someone has almost dead aim with it or if the whole entire team uses it. If its just a cuple incidents, I dont really care, but the thing is, it can get really abused. They beat me fair and square, but that doesnt mean that the weapon actually is fair, thats why I am so strongly for reform on here.

[Clawbug]

How can people still argue about this? Whats the problem really? ._. "Omg I would owns everyone but this one M79 NOOB owns us with that NOOB weapnnn. ;_;;;"

Just take an auto and stay away, practise it and soon you realise that with M79 no one can win a DM round as fast as he could with Automatic. ;o

Dunno about Public CTF tho. Don't play them

[sgtsmiley]

Make your own nade launcher team then, that way there'll be no unfairness   .
Btw, i always mod the barret so that it has around 80-120 fire interval and 300+ bink. You'll be surprised by how well it works :O.

[papercut]

Make your own nade launcher team then, that way there'll be no unfairness   .
Btw, i always mod the barret so that it has around 80-120 fire interval and 300+ bink. You'll be surprised by how well it works :O.

Yeah but if everyone starts using the same weapon the game gets really boring. It's kinda the reason why I want to convince people to stop using it. It wouldnt help me make the game more fun if i started using it myself.

I would invade and try to take out the M79ers. What happened? Every time i inflicted damage they would merely get a medkit and then blow me away with the M79.

Good point, one hit kill weapons take away from your ability to get health kits...

How can people still argue about this? Whats the problem really? ._. "Omg I would owns everyone but this one M79 NOOB owns us with that NOOB weapnnn. ;_;;;"

Just take an auto and stay away, practise it and soon you realise that with M79 no one can win a DM round as fast as he could with Automatic. ;o

yeah but it's not like a a guranatee possibility of escaping. Granted that no real gun in the game is, but if I am getting shot with bullets from a steyr, I can tell that I am dodging them incorrectly, and the correct way would be to jump around until I am able to didge them. The way I can see the bullets hitting me is the games way of telling me my progress. But the m79 either kills you, or doesnt hurt you at all. No progress being seen there.

Dunno about Public CTF tho. Don't play them 

I'm particularly a huge fan of CTF. what do i do?

[tacoterrorist]

If M79 death can decrease the gaming experience to the level, that people need to come here to whine about it, I suggest those people to quiit playing.

If M79 death can decrease the gaming experience to the level, that people need to come here to complain about it, I suggest the game be improved upon.

Just take an auto and stay away, practise it and soon you realise that with M79 no one can win a DM round as fast as he could with Automatic.

Yes, that is an effective way to beat M79'ers, but a lot of the time that isnt an option. On open, large maps its a good tactic, but in smaller maps you get thrown around and killed so quickly its infuriating.

Also, M79'ers can simply run from your bullets to a medkit; realistically it takes about 7 hits to kill them with, much more if they are running away, using cover, and if you aren't a very good shot. If you chase them, you reduce your accuracy and/or they can switch weapons or turn around and cap you (with ONE shot)

It is wrong to expect someone not to use a gun made available to them on a server.

I disagree. It's pretty much common knowledge that the M79 is a cheap weapon. Or at least, it's common knowledge that many people do not like facing someone with an M79 in close quarters - much less a whole group/team of them. Just because it's "made available to them on a server [as an option]" doesn't mean it's ok or you're not going to piss other people off by using it.

It's like cutting infront of a little kid (in this case, "little kid" is someone who can't do anything to stop you - ie, someone over the internet can't physically stop you from using the M79) at the canteen or "tuck shop" line to get in first. Sure it's an option and you CAN do it, but it isn't really fair. He (the other gamer) has the right to play the game and get enjoyment out of it just a smuch as anyone else, including the M79'er.

Merry Christmas.

[xxxMorenoxxx]

Barret: bink it with an auto or semi-auto
M79: take it out with a long range auto ak47, mini, etc.