M79 and Barret Unfair?

[a-4-year-old]

Okay. Stop playing in servers that blow? Try R/S.

Lol@contradiction

bink isn't going to save these weapons, if you have a small start up time for m79 a whole lot of noobs would be drawn away from it, especially since they wouldn't know how to fire it

A little start up won't destroy the weapon but it will send noobs away from it, and that is the problem here

[-Vis-]

Okay. Stop playing in servers that blow? Try R/S.

Lol@contradiction

I think you're confused. There's no contradiction there. R/S has some great servers, and they don't blow just because you think so.

bink isn't going to save these weapons, if you have a small start up time for m79 a whole lot of noobs would be drawn away from it, especially since they wouldn't know how to fire it

A little start up won't destroy the weapon but it will send noobs away from it, and that is the problem here

Neither bink nor startup will fix the m79. But the combination of both would go a long way. Giving auto users a small chance of binking the m79er before he fires makes it more difficult to just run up to someone and blow them up from 1/4-1/2 screen away. Just like the barret, you would have to be slightly more careful, and not just charge into battle.

[Zamorak]

There is something we are forgetting.... If we turn people away from m79's and make the m79 harder to use, we risk those same players turning to the barret.

Then, there's the risk of overdoing it and then the barret will work better than m79's.

[papercut]

Topic Title: M79 and Barret Unfair?

[Horve]

DON'T TOUCH MY BARRET! The M79 and Barret are hardly unfair. Each weapon has a certain counter to them, I.E., M-79 is useless at long range, and Barret is useless at short range. Hence, the term "unfair" just doesn't do justice.

+ barrett has startuptime, so if dave and that barretguy see eachother at the same time, the mp5-guy will def. have a chance to ravage the barretard and decreasing his accuracy due to the high barrett selfbink. m79 is fine

[O.o]

(Somebody probably already said this, i couldnt read EVERY post so.....)

M79 you just stay away and spray them with auto (if you have one)

Barret you just hide behind boxes, once they shoot you rush and kill.

[gdude]

u can adjust wich weapons u can use in a server so just get them out

[elo elo 3 2 0]

m79 > brt @ cws
publics? it depends on players

[Death MachineX350]

Usually I wait for a teammate to get shot then I blast them with my handy danday MP5  .

[RikezuGe]

Hmm, interesting. I think I'll try using another gun. But I'll never abandon my barret!

[ElGato]

I'm sorry I haven't read what was said on the past 13 pages but I think an easy solution would be to simply add a bit more bink. I hate laying into a person holding a Barret with a grenade and 4 Steyr or Ak bullets only to get shot clean through the body like always. And for the M79 I guess more bink might help too.... hard to say because it's really only deadly in small places where you won't have much time to bink them. And whoever said the Barret is useless at short range is wrong, no opinion on that one just wrong.

[Carlitos]

m79 is an unfair wep, it was better balanced if the bullet was slower and add more bink.
The barret as start up time, and requires a good aiming to kill so its not that unfair.
I really hate m79 users...but its soldat game, you pick a weapon of your choise, i also USED the m79 when i started playing soldat 2 years ago, but soon changed weapon

[popsofctown]

I'm sorry I haven't read what was said on the past 13 pages but I think an easy solution would be to simply add a bit more bink. I hate laying into a person holding a Barret with a grenade and 4 Steyr or Ak bullets only to get shot clean through the body like always. And for the M79 I guess more bink might help too.... hard to say because it's really only deadly in small places where you won't have much time to bink them. And whoever said the Barret is useless at short range is wrong, no opinion on that one just wrong.

The barret definitely need more bink.  When i sniped all time, steyrs, aks, mp5s, everything could be shooting me at midrange, and i would still have a pretty good chance of hitting them.  The barret's bink could be upped, or an other solution for snipers could be found.  theres many creative ways besides bink...
As everyone points out, bink won't fix the m79 because it fires it shots before the user even begins soaking up damage, and because it is frequently used at tight ranges.  That's why it ought to only explode after spending some time in the air; there is no better fix. 

[Twistkill]

To the above posts regarding the Barrett's bink: Its bink is at 90. Okay? 90.

... 90. It has the highest bink out of all the weapons in the game. Bink is not 100% guaranteed to stop the shot no matter how much the bink is. It will make the shot miss a lot of the time, yes, but sometimes the hit will go on target out of luck. It will happen out of luck.

Also, the cursor gets affected by bink(gets big) about a second, so if a Barrett user stay out of your range or doesn't get hit for about 1 second, they have only one chance to hit you, and because of the already high movementacc, they can still miss even if they have a clear shot.

[SkwiD]

My suggestion: Remove both from the game and replace them with newer and cooler weps.

To give some credibility to this statement- I've been playing since 1.12 and have been in some of the top clans over the years. I really like this game and I'm not *****ing it's an honest opinion. I just came here from u13 after playing with a whole team of 6 people using barret and m79. It's impossible not to recognize some problem with balance. When a team uses all autos people go WTF because it's an odd site. You have to be brain dead not to recognize balance issues with 1 shots.

M79: Any decent player can dominate with this weapon, period. Even I tend to use this when I'm feeling lazy because it's easy kills and clears easy paths in CTF. I don't understand how people can lose with this weapon on maps like kampf. It nullifies any short range and the arc allows you to hide behind obstacles while launching an instant kill. In CTF rushing you're guaranteed kills simply by people running into you.

Barret: The charge is not a nerf. This used to be my main wep until I got tired of how nubby it is and people's abuse of it. The charge simply adds extra time to aim and is something I wanted when I would blow a shot due to a quick reaction. Instant kill at close range, and it's designed to be a rifle so you have a good chance at long range. Bink doesn't matter especially in CTF where you're rushing and you can pop that shot off before even a steyr's bullet hits you. This again nullifies all weapons except autos. I use a spas and unless I connect on the first shot before they fire or they miss I'm dead.

General Issues: All other weapons take at least 2 "aims" to kill an opponent. This adds split seconds onto kill times and slows your rush. 1 shots are click and you immediately can react to terrain rather than training your cross hair on your opponent for a kill shot. This is why these weapons are lethal and overpowered in CTF. I say nerf the barret to where you have to crouch to fire it since it is a ****ing sniper rifle and give the m79 a charge up at least. Or just get rid of them. Or we could add some sort of money system like CS where bs weapons like the AWP take horrendous amounts of cash to get.

Oh and to all relatively new players that play in pubs who argue that they rock at binking barreters. Come to u13 and try it, the vets will own you continuously without you ever connecting a shot with an auto. A final note about the ret: Tons of the same people complained about the charge and how it's not overpowered before the patch. Now it's pretty much unanimous that an instant tap of death is insanely unbalanced. Are people that dumb not to see that these weapons are overpowered?

[MofoNofo]

Put yourself in an M79er or Barrett users shoes.
Autos piss you off more then anything. But it's not like they complain, because they know that if they get binked alot, they WILL miss. (unless they use haxzorz)



So what are you going to do? Remove all the weapons in the game except grenade?

[SkwiD]

I used to use the ret back in 1.12 and I owned with it. I opened up 3v3 clan matches with a 3 kill cap and with the instant scope I could take out flaggers easily. Overpowered, yes and people complained that the game was "balanced" and "stop whining". The only way to improve a game is to look honestly at the balance issues. I know the ins and outs of the weapon and I know it's too powerful. I used the updated barret today and auto users are no problem. In deathmatch they are (only if you stay in their range which any barreter will not do) but in CTF if I see an auto I can just kill him and duck for cover while I reload or I can just run right by since his shots really can't kill me without me staying and fighting. I let my teammates with the m79 handle him.

Come and play with some vets sometime where balance issues are amplified tenfold. This is mainly about CTF: I'm a spas user and I find creative ways of dealing with 1 shots along with the other weps but you can't get around the fact that they trump other weapons with their ease of use and their lethality.

Like I said before I really like this game and every other weapon is unique and fun. You get to engage the other player using the weapon and see his style. Everyone knows the feeling of running into the start of a ctf match and getting smashed in the face before you even fire a shot. No matter how much you've played it still pisses you off to some degree. The same goes for being sniped when you just see that barret enter your line of site. I don't opt for full replacement of every weapon, I'd just liked to see the 1shots get replaced with more creative weapons. Maybe even add secondary functions to all weapons and just get rid of those two slots.

[popsofctown]

Put yourself in an M79er or Barrett users shoes.
Autos piss you off more then anything. But it's not like they complain, because they know that if they get binked alot, they WILL miss. (unless they use haxzorz)



So what are you going to do? Remove all the weapons in the game except grenade?

Sadly, no.  They no that if they get binked a lot, they might miss.

Date Posted: January 03, 2007, 04:06:05 PM

Come and play with some vets sometime where balance issues are amplified tenfold.

The better skill people get, the less they miss. The less they miss, the less inaccuracy factors in to the equation, and inaccuracy is the only thing that holds the barret, and to a much lesser extent the m79, back.


Date Posted: January 03, 2007, 04:13:36 PMMy suggestion: Remove both from the game and replace them with newer and cooler weapons.

-quote from skiwd (im tired of deleting everything in the quote that isn't relevant)

skiwd, read my m79 idea (forum topic list, like, seventh down).  that's essentially what its goal is for the m79, to change it into an entirely new gun.  i think you'll like it.  however, i don't think the m79 is overpowered, i only think it dominates short ranges in a way that it shouldn't.  in big maps, its balanced.

I think there are ways to fix the barret with out throwing it out and replacing it though.

[papercut]

Barret: The charge is not a nerf. This used to be my main wep until I got tired of how nubby it is and people's abuse of it. The charge simply adds extra time to aim and is something I wanted when I would blow a shot due to a quick reaction.

Very good point, I like that one.

I'd also like to say for record that binking barreters rarely ever works. Far too many times in the past I hit a barreter with multiple (4-8) mp5, steyr, or ak47 shots, and he still got a direct shot. It seems like I have a better chance killing him if I don't try to bink him. However if I try to stay far away, I still run the moderately high risk of still getting shot.

I like the idea of tossing the barret and m79 for new weapons. I don't wanna say I am completely for it, because I will always be open to new suggestions. However, tossing the barret for a sawed-off shotgun is certainly a working solution IMO.

[Twistkill]

I'd also like to say for record that binking barreters rarely ever works. Far too many times in the past I hit a barreter with multiple (4-8) mp5, steyr, or ak47 shots, and he still got a direct shot. It seems like I have a better chance killing him if I don't try to bink him. However if I try to stay far away, I still run the moderately high risk of still getting shot.

I like the idea of tossing the barret and m79 for new weapons. I don't wanna say I am completely for it, because I will always be open to new suggestions. However, tossing the barret for a sawed-off shotgun is certainly a working solution IMO.

Again, the chances of that happening aren't likely. Maybe in your experiences you believe the gun is overpowered becuase of those lucky shots, but you cannot say that for the swhole Soldat community because of what happened to you. Either the people who got those good shots at you were either hacking, or they simply got lucky. Bink is definitely a balance to the gun even though it's not guaranteed, cause the shots go in random directions, and there is a chance that the shot will still go on target. Try it yourself, and if your shot misses when you get hit with one bullet, then you know bink does work. MofoNofo has the right idea of trying it out for yourself instead of needlessly complaining about its one-hit kill. And there is already high movementacc, so even if you barely move with the cursor virtually straight on your target, you can still make an embarassing miss.