M79 and Barret Unfair?

[Zues120]

You guys might be forgetting one thing here. Unless you all play 1v1 servers, this is mainly a team game, unless your playing DM...

Its just the thing that pisses me off is the fact that 3/4ths of a team pick either the M79 and Barret, so even if you dodge the 1st one with some unique, awsome looking and perfectly exicuted play, its not like that barreter behind him, the Styger in front of him, and the Guy with the other M79 are going to miss

But yes: serious? stop argueing... Im pointing out that I feel there are too MANY per team, not the weapon its self.

[Mr. Domino]

You guys might be forgetting one thing here. Unless you all play 1v1 servers, this is mainly a team game, unless your playing DM...

Its just the thing that pisses me off is the fact that 3/4ths of a team pick either the M79 and Barret, so even if you dodge the 1st one with some unique, awsome looking and perfectly exicuted play, its not like that barreter behind him, the Styger in front of him, and the Guy with the other M79 are going to miss

If you're running into a pack of four enemies, then you have a slim chance of surviving regardless of the weapon. No one is forgetting anything. All weapons are more dangerous when in groups. That's hardly a new revelation. I'd say the M79 is the least threatening of all the primaries in packs thanks to less shots to deal with, their short range, and their slow reload. You can pick off a pack of four M79ers rather quickly with the Ruger and far faster than dealing with groups of other weapons.

[MofoNofo]

Why don't you just use it yourself and stfu?

[Protoman]

Not reading any of these posts, my opinion is that those two guns are very unfair.

The Barret is a long range gun. Its not meant to be used 8 meters away. It's too cheap. My solution is that the Barret should be very inaccurate, or better yet, held sraight up until you either crouch or go prone. Then you're soldier can hold the gun in the firing position and take out your target. You know that the Barret in real life is a .50 calaber gun and would probebly knock you down if you stood upright!

The M79 is a weapon that deals death. Combine that with a mid-speed reload time and you're way too deadly with it. Even though I tend to be able to get around those who weild this gun (travel in pairs: i rarely see m79's pick off two with one shot), it is still cheap beyond reason. My solution is that the M79 should fire an incinerary round with a wider blast radius. I think that more fire and less death will balance it out and add a little flare to the fight (couldn't help myself).

I'm a pro with the FN Minimi and am proud with it. It pisses me off that usually, when i walk into a deathmatch, i see nothing but M79's or Barrets filling up the right side of my screen. I consider these two guns to be dishonorable for the user now, and dont have any respect for that player, even though I get a 3:1 Kill/Death ratio anyway and usually win.

Come on people! Use a gun that lets you proudly say "I killed you with a gun that isn't cheap!"

[1010011010]

Do you read what you type before you press 'Post'? You're implying that I should stop using a gun that I enjoy just so you can have an 'honorable' game of Soldat. There is no honor in Soldat. The gun is fine as it is, and anybody that objects to that either doesn't know how to deal with a good player using the gun or just they just aren't good at the game. Why should I use a less efficient weapon that I don't enjoy using just so you can win?

If you didn't notice, the Soldaten are pretty much superhuman to some extent. They can fire a minigun while standing up. They take a lot of punishment. Just because a select group of people can't handle the gun doesn't mean you should change it. What about the people who like the gun as is? I don't go off on a idiotic rant about the Minimi. How would you like it if we changed the Minimi? Don't even say 'lol i wud adawpt 2 its' because you wouldn't. You would bitch and moan. If you couldn't handle one of your precious automatics changing, don't make us change our M79 and Barret.

[popsofctown]

It is wrong to expect people to use any weapon or advantage made available to them in a server, unless it is hacking or a clear glitch, or was clearly forbidden to them by the admin.  that goes for any game.

[1010011010]

...What?

[papercut]

I hope M79 and Barret users take a look at this, stop being so selfish by at least giving their opponents a chance of killing them to make soldat more enjoyable to play for everyone. i hope you all consider how fun this game is for the people you play with, and not just how fun it is to yourself. You can do this by simply varying your weapon choices, theres already 14 to pick from!

Demand is quite a stressed word for a quote like that. I'm just indirectly trying to convince people that the guns are often looked at as noobish and cheap, and that it is frustrating for the victims more so than other guns. People seem to have a really harsh reaction to that sort of indirect suggesting, but It really is not that bad.

I dunno how it will affect you if you think the gun is not unfair, but it will certainly affect the people that DO think it is.

[Protoman]

Do you read what you type before you press 'Post'? You're implying that I... ...don't make us change our M79 and Barret.

So your saying that, even though you don't know me, I can't handle the change of a weapon...
I play on mod servers all the time. Aparently, Mr. Binary here rants whenever his precious guns are even talked about being changed. Don't go writing two paragraph posts swearing out someone who only wants his opinion heard. It's childish and makes people lose their respect for you. You can say what you want, but If you hate thoughts about the M79 and Barret being unfair, then dont read a topic called "M79 and Barret Unfair".

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

Not reading any of these posts, my opinion is that those two guns are very unfair.

The Barret is a long range gun. Its not meant to be used 8 meters away. It's too cheap. My solution is that the Barret should be very inaccurate, or better yet, held straight up until you either crouch or go prone. Then your soldier can hold the gun in the firing position and take out your target. You know that the Barret in real life is a .50 caliber gun and would probably knock you down if you stood upright!

Never use "in real life" as an argument.  In real life, people don't wear jetboots.  In real life, people don't need to take 10 shots to die.  In real life, the minigun should be mounted on a helicopter.  In real life, there is no predator mode.  Soldat is a GAME.  The weapons are designed to fit the game, not to be true to life.

I find it hard to believe that you have trouble with Barrets within 8 meters (read: short range).  If you're as "pro" with the Minimi as you claim later in your post, you should have no problem binking them to the point of inaccuracy.  At short range, there shouldn't be a threat due to your weapon choice.  At long range, the Barret is easy enough to dodge.

The M79 is a weapon that deals death. Combine that with a mid-speed reload time and you're way too deadly with it. Even though I tend to be able to get around those who weild this gun (travel in pairs: i rarely see m79's pick off two with one shot), it is still cheap beyond reason. My solution is that the M79 should fire an incinerary round with a wider blast radius. I think that more fire and less death will balance it out and add a little flare to the fight (couldn't help myself).

The target dictates how good the M79 is.  If you (the target) make yourself easy to hit, sure, the M79 seems cheap.  If you make yourself hard to hit (staying out of range, staying above, varying your movements, dodging the shell, etc.) you'll find that M79 users are basically free kills for you.  The shell is slow and predictable.  A reasonably skilled player should have no problem dodging it.

I'm a pro with the FN Minimi and am proud with it. It pisses me off that usually, when i walk into a deathmatch, i see nothing but M79's or Barrets filling up the right side of my screen. I consider these two guns to be dishonorable for the user now, and dont have any respect for that player, even though I get a 3:1 Kill/Death ratio anyway and usually win.

Take a crack at using the Barret sometime.  See if it's easy to use, or if the people using it are just good with it.

Come on people! Use a gun that lets you proudly say "I killed you with a gun that isn't cheap!"

What is cheap?  According to you, one hit kills are cheap.  Out of 15 weapons, 5 are one-hit kills (6 counting grenades).  Are you saying that 1/3 of the weapons are cheap?  In realistic mode, that number climbs to 8.  Are you saying that over half of the weapons are cheap in realistic mode?  Some might say that weapons that cause bink are cheap. "You can hit me, but I can't retaliate because you're messing up my aim!"   Again, 1/3 of the weapons should now be considered cheap.  Some might say that weapons that boost are cheap (unfair advantage in CTF, INF).  Once again, 1/3 of the weapons are now cheap.  Do you honestly think that Soldat is that screwed up?

I think you're confusing "cheap" with "annoying".  Yes, it's annoying to be killed in one shot.  But isn't it equally annoying to get killed just as you are about to score, then the flag gets returned?  Isn't it equally annoying to run out of jets just in time to fall on spikes?  Isn't it equally annoying to accidentally run over the grenade you just threw?  Isn't it equally annoying to die in a firefight, and your opponent (1% health) grabs a medkit once it's over?  And yet, all of those events are a part of the game.  Instead of complaining that the weapons are cheap, why don't you try new tactics to fight them?  Instead of saying "Well I'm pro with the Minimi and if they're killing me the guns must be cheap", try varying your weapons.  AK-74 and Ruger work quite well against the M79.  The MP5 dominates Barreters.  I once hated M79 and Barret users too, but I've learned how to dodge the shots.  Now they're the same as every other opponent.

[ZWZ]

Not reading any of these posts, my opinion is that those two guns are very unfair.

This right here sums up the average m79 whiner. Uninformed, unskilled, unexperenced yet wants to comment on how they are right and you are wrong.

Bravo.

[SDFilm]

I think the main reason people whine about the M79/Barrett is because weather you survive mostly depends on how skilled the M79/Barretter is at hitting you first time, so the only way you can survive is binking them and/or praying they miss. With non-one-hit-kill weapons, you both have a chance of killing each other at the same time (although map situations like range effects that) and the person who can keep the best aim over the shooting period wins. But with the M79/Barrett, it's all over in a flash, which makes people pretty pissed off, especially if it was a cheap shot.

Although there is such thing as a skilled Barret shot, sometimes it just doesn't feel like cricket.

Not reading any of these posts, my opinion is that those two guns are very unfair.

This right here sums up the average m79 whiner. Uninformed, unskilled, unexperenced yet wants to comment on how they are right and you are wrong.

Bravo.

So you are saying that you have to be an M79 supporter to be informed, skilled and experienced?

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

Not reading any of these posts, my opinion is that those two guns are very unfair.

This right here sums up the average m79 whiner. Uninformed, unskilled, unexperienced yet wants to comment on how they are right and you are wrong.

Bravo.

So you are saying that you have to be an M79 supporter to be informed, skilled and experienced?

It's kind of the other way around.  If you don't use the M79, you often need to be informed, skilled, and experienced to support it.  I fully support the M79.  I recognize it has its uses, like on Death and Nuubia, and I know that people using it all the time, especially on large maps, have a major disadvantage.  The people who hate the M79 tend to be the ones that use the same weapon, no matter what the situation.  They are also the ones who treat an M79 user like every other enemy: they rush at him, emptying their clip.  Obviously this strategy is incredibly foolish.  So instead of thinking of the M79 as a different weapon that requires different tactics, they think it's cheap because they're "pro" and they keep dying to it.

[ZWZ]

I think the main reason people whine about the M79/Barrett is because weather you survive mostly depends on how skilled the M79/Barretter is at hitting you first time, so the only way you can survive is binking them and/or praying they miss. With non-one-hit-kill weapons, you both have a chance of killing each other at the same time (although map situations like range effects that) and the person who can keep the best aim over the shooting period wins. But with the M79/Barrett, it's all over in a flash, which makes people pretty pissed off, especially if it was a cheap shot.

Although there is such thing as a skilled Barret shot, sometimes it just doesn't feel like cricket.

Not reading any of these posts, my opinion is that those two guns are very unfair.

This right here sums up the average m79 whiner. Uninformed, unskilled, unexperenced yet wants to comment on how they are right and you are wrong.

Bravo.

So you are saying that you have to be an M79 supporter to be informed, skilled and experienced?

People who really know the m79 know that it is far from the best gun in the game. If your whole gameplan is hoping the m79er misses, then you really got to think up new strategy's.

[SDFilm]

People who really know the m79 know that it is far from the best gun in the game.

Indeed, it is not the overall best gun in the game; but knowing that doesn't mean people can't/shouldn't complain about it. You can be informed, skilled, experienced AND not like the M79. It's just the ones who Gamer_2k4 said above that really don't deserve to whine about the M79.

If your whole gameplan is hoping the m79er misses, then you really got to think up new strategy's.

Good evasive/dodging strategies go hand in hand with hopeing that they miss.

[ZWZ]

"Hopeing that they miss" sounds like a whiner, who thinks that the only defence againsed it is just a poor user. Not true.

If you are informed, skilled, experenced, and generally not shit at the game, you wouldent be a whiner. I don't like people who play defensivly with the aug/ak/ruger. I know that it has it's advantages, as well as it's disadvantages. That doesnt mean i have to come here crying on how they should change the guns that i lose to.

If you are good enough at soldat, you'll come to the point you hope the majority of the oppisite team uses m79's, so you can have a very easy time getting away with the flag. Majority of players out there are horrible with it anyway, i don't see why every 5 minuites some Major has to come in and complain about it.

[popsofctown]

i think this thread goes around in circles...

[SDFilm]

"Hopeing that they miss" sounds like a whiner, who thinks that the only defence againsed it is just a poor user. Not true.

If you are informed, skilled, experenced, and generally not **** at the game, you wouldent be a whiner. I don't like people who play defensivly with the aug/ak/ruger. I know that it has it's advantages, as well as it's disadvantages. That doesnt mean i have to come here crying on how they should change the guns that i lose to.

If you are good enough at soldat, you'll come to the point you hope the majority of the oppisite team uses m79's, so you can have a very easy time getting away with the flag. Majority of players out there are horrible with it anyway, i don't see why every 5 minuites some Major has to come in and complain about it.

Especially on large maps, M79's can be the disadvantaged weapon. You can normally shoot them with one's Minimi at mid-long range, which would also give you a better chance at judging its ark and then dogeing it; or you can charge at them, but jump around a bit so that its generaly harder for him to aim, then come up close to him for the kill (before he reloads).

I know how to take on M79ers, so don't think I'm another one of those random majors that whine because he can't put together the brain cells to counter them; I was just explaining how the M79 can be annoying, even to a decent player.

i think this thread goes around in circles...

That's the thing about Soldat and its weapon balance- nobody will be entirely happy with it.

[popsofctown]

^^yes, but that doesn't mean we all should repeat the same arguments over and over again

[Hiro]

Thats why the "Stop Complaining" topic was formed. This topic contains plenty of info. on how to combat both the M79 and the Barrett. 'Whiners' need to read this before posting anything. (This is why I think Protoman was very stupid with his "Not reading any of these posts, my opinion is that those two guns are very unfair.")
I think it should be locked and the key points put into the/a rules topic to stop some newbie coming in and starting the arguement all over.