M79 and Barret Unfair?

[Lunar Weapon]

One word, skill. People with M79's are usually beginners, and end up finding their good weapon later on. NOTE: I DO NOT USE LONG RANGE BARRET! Yes that's right, i can only fight at close range with a barret No, I don't charge the enemy and shoot them cheaply, if i did that i would surely be killed. I jump in the air avoiding bullets, then randomly predict where the opponent is going to move and shoot them. This tactic is seriously beyond perfect if you master it, the only problem is, shooting people who are staying still. However, most people keep moving trying to dodge attacks then I fire and kill them. I managed to win games lots of times doing this. Haha it's funny hear: close range sniper fighting. I use the barret's disadvantage to my advantage.

[Blue-ninja]

Now, see, M79-ing takes more skills than you'd think, cuz it's got gravity and a tendency to blow you up if you're not careful, dude. Using the gravity, ricochets, and terrain to your advantage is what it takes to get the most out of kills, cuz trust me, I don't kill asw many people as I did with the barrett.

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

Now, see, M79-ing takes more skills than you'd think, cuz it's got gravity and a tendency to blow you up if you're not careful, dude. Using the gravity, ricochets, and terrain to your advantage is what it takes to get the most out of kills, cuz trust me, I don't kill asw many people as I did with the barrett.

Exactly.  New players see the M79 and think "Explosions are cool!" But the truth is, it's a terrible weapon.  You spawn.  You hang out for three seconds, hoping no one attacks you.  You see an enemy and fire your only shot.  If it hits, woohoo! You got a kill! Now you just have to hope that no one comes for the next three seconds.  If it misses, dang.  Time to respawn, since your opponent is going to gun you down right away.

However, the M79 does have its uses.  If you know what you're doing, it's excellent for boosting, or holding narrow passages (think the tunnel exits in ctf_run).  But since the advantageous uses are highly situational, the M79 is best used as a secondary or not at all.  As a primary, it falls second to the shotgun, which has quick kills, boosting capabilities, multiple shots, fast reload, and no self-damage.

[R0L4ND]

Yep, I find Barret only annoying when killed from long range before you have much chance to react.

Late reply, but...

NO ****? I thought that's what a sniper rifle is for.

You don't hand someone an apple and say it's an orange. Hence, a sniper rifle is supposed to behave like one, not like a point-blank sawed-off instakill shotgun. Hence my opinion to nerf the Barrett on pretty much all accounts except static sniping. If you don't want some degree of camping, remove the sniper rifle.

[Blue-ninja]

Yep, I find Barret only annoying when killed from long range before you have much chance to react.

Heh, heh, heh....sorry, my fault. ^^;

[Silverflame]

since everyone has their own perspectives on the barret (which i use 90% of time) and m79, i think theres other guns that someone can say "isnt fair" or what have you... just leave the guns the way they are

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

since everyone has their own perspectives on the barret (which i use 90% of time) and m79, i think theres other guns that someone can say "isnt fair" or what have you... just leave the guns the way they are

Right.  The people who complain about a weapon's strength should learn about its weaknesses.

[Silverflame]

i been playing since around 1.1.4 and over the years learned guns weaknesses and even with any gun against my barret learned to overcome (oh and use secondarys too )

[Kixxe]

Try "Dodging" the m79 shots when it's a 7v7 on voland when everyone is playing m79. I agree, facing a lone m79'er head to head ain't to that hard to kill, but it's the massive group of KEKEKEKE noob rush that is really annoying.

[Tai]

Kixxe, Deagles and Spas are your friend.

[Silverflame]

im not being cocky but its easy to try to dodge multiple shooters, just get your opponents to hesitate to shoot then BOOM strike back

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

Kixxe, Deagles and Spas are your friend.

AK-74 is friendlier in those situations.  The best way to take on multiple opponents with short range, one hit kill weapons, is NOT to attack them with short range, multiple hit kill weapons.  Also, the AK has more ammo, a longer range, and fires faster.

Try "Dodging" the m79 shots when it's a 7v7 on voland when everyone is playing m79. I agree, facing a lone m79'er head to head ain't to that hard to kill, but it's the massive group of KEKEKEKE noob rush that is really annoying.

Try dodging any seven enemies, no matter what weapon they use.  The M79 as the weapon of choice is irrelevant here.

im not being cocky but its easy to try to dodge multiple shooters, just get your opponents to hesitate to shoot then BOOM strike back

Why on earth would seven (or even two or three) shooters suddenly hesitate?  And what happens after you've killed one or even two of them?  That's right.  You get gunned down, regardless of how skilled you are or what weapons they're using.

[mxyzptlk]

Try "Dodging" the m79 shots when it's a 7v7 on voland when everyone is playing m79. I agree, facing a lone m79'er head to head ain't to that hard to kill, but it's the massive group of KEKEKEKE noob rush that is really annoying.

Try dodging any seven enemies, no matter what weapon they use. The M79 as the weapon of choice is irrelevant here.

At least it is possible to dodge a group of snipers or ak'ers, or even chaingunners.
M79?
No such chance.

[Blue-ninja]

Recently in Snipe and Slice, I made the hardest flag grab in front of SEVEN enemies, and I got away and kept the flag for more than five minutes, while my teammates were trying to return the flag. After a while, I got bored and threw the flag at the enemy.

[6th_account]

Gee wizz, gang. This thread's been hot for five months and you haven't even decided if it's overpowered or not.

[Spec. Ops]

The M79 is the most easy thing to dodge. All you got to do is superman (prone and jet) or just jet over or under the nade. With the ret you just spray and bink em. When theres alot of them just retreat a little and fire back.(This is what i do in R/S)

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

At least it is possible to dodge a group of snipers or ak'ers, or even chaingunners.
M79?
No such chance.

Oh yeah, because it's much easier to dodge 50 fast shots than 5 slow ones. >_>

Recently in Snipe and Slice, I made the hardest flag grab in front of SEVEN enemies, and I got away and kept the flag for more than five minutes, while my teammates were trying to return the flag.

Well obviously, you're going to get lucky once in a while.  No one's saying that you'll die 100% of the time.  However, the 99% of situations where the player DOES die is much more statistically significant than the 1% of situations where he doesn't.

After a while, I got bored and threw the flag at the enemy.

Remind me to never play CTF with you.  Why didn't you just throw it to a friend?

Gee wizz, gang. This thread's been hot for five months and you haven't even decided if it's overpowered or not.

You know why? It's because the people who started this thread don't post in it anymore, and the new people are too lazy to actually look back, so they repeat what was already said.  Then of course, the same counter arguments must be repeated, and the thread perpetuates.

[Blue-ninja]

After a while, I got bored and threw the flag at the enemy.

Remind me to never play CTF with you. Why didn't you just throw it to a friend?

They were too busy to return the flag, and I am usually the one who has to return the flag.

EDIT: Don't worry, I'm okay when I don't have the flag, just leave the flag-returning to me. And defending the base. What's your soldat name?

[iDante]

Try "Dodging" the m79 shots when it's a 7v7 on voland when everyone is playing m79. I agree, facing a lone m79'er head to head ain't to that hard to kill, but it's the massive group of KEKEKEKE noob rush that is really annoying.

like gamer_2k4 said, I would much rather dodge 7 m79s than 7 steyrs or, even worse, MINIGUNS!!!

Gee wizz, gang. This thread's been hot for five months and you haven't even decided if it's overpowered or not.

It will never be decided, there is always argue about the 1-hit killers, in any game.

I think that the m79 is not overpowered because in a 1v1 you can dodge it if you keep your distance.
I think that the Barrett is not overpowered when the sniperline is off because it does take quite a bit of aim to hit a moving target without one. (And the startup in my opinion actually makes it better, makes you have to be sure of your shot.)

[Counter-Stiker]

Nfsjunkie - most people who use those guns are new nonetheless, but i have played some of the people ive played years back and they still use the m79 or barret and of course at this point they are above advanced with it, and being killed by them is far more frustrating than being killed by those who are very skilled with an AK for a steyr

I agree with papercut, the Barret is a one-shot-kill so if it's like that other player will not have time to shoot because this Barret is quick kill i don't think player will even walk when they get shot like this: Danko is playing with a Barret and Admit is playing with a AK47 admit is aiming but before he can even point the gun at Danko he instantly die, and: Danko, boogie man, admit is playing CTF as red team and bot1 bot 2 bot3 is playing as blue if red team use weapon not m79 or Barret
they will have only just knock out player's health BUT! blue team use Barret and m79, Barret can knock out life so when ever red is shooting the blue will just kill and kill and take the flag.


But m79 is a close range and it can knock out health not lifes because if the player is not near the bullet they can only knock out health and Barret must take a long time to load a new bullet but
they are still one-shot-kill so i agree that it's unfair.