M79 and Barret Unfair?

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

What's your soldat name?

Same as my forum name.  {LAW} Gamer_2k4.  And I do go on Snipe and Slice somewhat regularly, so you'll probably see me sometime.

I agree with papercut, the Barret is a one-shot-kill so if it's like that other player will not have time to shoot because this Barret is quick kill i don't think player will even walk when they get shot like this: Danko is playing with a Barret and Admit is playing with a AK47 admit is aiming but before he can even point the gun at Danko he instantly die, and: Danko, boogie man, admit is playing CTF as red team and bot1 bot 2 bot3 is playing as blue if red team use weapon not m79 or Barret
they will have only just knock out player's health BUT! blue team use Barret and m79, Barret can knock out life so when ever red is shooting the blue will just kill and kill and take the flag.

But m79 is a close range and it can knock out health not lifes because if the player is not near the bullet they can only knock out health and Barret must take a long time to load a new bullet but
they are still one-shot-kill so i agree that it's unfair.

If you're going to make an argument, you need to have a valid point.  You don't have that.  Your claim assumes that people who use Barrets and M79s have 100% accuracy.  They don't.  Yes, those two weapons might be unfair IF they always hit.  You'd be right; the target would have no chance.  However, let's say, just for the sake of argument, that the Barret user MIGHT miss.  Hypothetically.  (Note the heavy sarcasm here.)  They shoot and miss you.  What's this?  They're defenseless?  You can hammer away at them with whatever gun you're using, no fear of retaliation, no fear of injury?  But wait!  Isn't that your definition of "unfair"?  Suddenly the tables have turned!

The problem with anti-M79 and anti-Barret arguments is that they have a heavy bias.  What is it about a Barret that gives the user 100% accuracy?  I've played in games with only Barrets, and believe me, they miss.  A lot.  And keep in mind, these are games WITHOUT autos to bink the snipers.  You have to understand, there are several sides to every argument.  Sure, a Barret user can kill with impunity, as long as he hits.  As long as he misses, his opponent can kill with impunity.

The argument goes both ways, and ultimately boils down to papercut's complaint: For some people, it's not fun to be killed in one hit.  The guns aren't unfair at all.  Now why is it so annoying to be killed in one shot?  Well, think of it this way.  If you have an auto and you're fighting an opponent with an auto, you're both taking damage.  In the end, one will die and one will be left with very little health.  The player who died gets to think, "Well, that was unlucky.  Next time I'll have him for sure."  Someone killed with a Barret doesn't have that thought.  They don't have the feeling that, if they acted differently, there might have been a different outcome.  They lose any sense (real or otherwise) of control, and that's not fun.  However, there are many other situations that generate similar feelings:

1. You grab the flag, dodge several shots, kill two enemies, and are in the clear with low hitpoints.  Suddenly, several stray bullets hit you and you die.
2. You're locked in an intense auto battle with another player.  Just before you kill him, he grabs a medkit and finishes you off.
3. You're running along, chasing the EFC.  You're firing at him and he's almost dead.  Suddenly, you trip over the grenade he dropped.
4. The FFC died just as he was entering the base.  The loose flag lands on top of your own.  You rush at it for the score, and an enemy gets there first.  He returns his flag and captures yours.

Are these annoying situations? Of course.  Does that make it unfair to shoot at offscreen enemies? Does it mean medkits should be banned?  Maybe grenades are overpowered?  No.  It's just a pain when these sorts of things happen.  You're not mad because one hit kill weapons unbalance the game; indeed, most barret users get kills on par with auto users, and most M79ers have significantly lower scores than the rest of the players.  It's simply not fun to be killed with those weapons.  And yet, only papercut realized the source of the problem, while the rest of you continue to whine that the guns are overpowered, unbalanced, and unfair.  Give it a rest.

[Tai]

I know. Let's bury this topic. Someone buy the casket.

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

Yes...a lock shaped casket, administered by the mods.

[Rath]

I Agree with the author. I used to rule CTF some years ago. I quit and about 5 days ago i came back. And now mostly what I see killing me is M79ers. Now some of you might be saying well learn how to dodge. Yeah but this weapon kills 85% of the time with the first shot. I didn't see any problems with the Barret. Why they gave it a delay fire I don't know. But what i see ruling the servers is the M79ers. Not a server I go to is without a M79er. they unbalance the game because a team full of them totally owns the team without. The M79er has quickly become the pride and joy of nearly all players. it's the gun I see the most anymore. The reason people use the M79 is simple. It's 1 hit kill has fairly fast reload and it's firing arc is easy to judge scoring you a hit with just about everyshot.

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

And now mostly what I see killing me is M79ers. Now some of you might be saying well learn how to dodge. Yeah but this weapon kills 85% of the time with the first shot.

Which is precisely why we're telling you to dodge.

[iDante]

The reason people use the M79 is simple. It's 1 hit kill has fairly fast reload and it's firing arc is easy to judge scoring you a hit with just about everyshot.

3 seconds is short? a good player can and will kill you before you get your second shot. The curve is hard to judge at distances. Just keep your distance and fire away and the m79 is gone.

[Rath]

iDante you know for yourself allot can happen in 3 seconds

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

That's exactly what he's saying.  And you just contradicted yourself.

[MAGRIMAN]

Balanced Weapons are for girlymen..MAKE TACTICS

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

Tactics are what makes the weapons balanced.  That's why new players often think the M79 is unfair: They don't know the tactics to deal with it.

[refsil]

How interesting.M79 because it kill in one hit?then I'd say grande unfair, law unfair,even AK unfair because AK can kill 2-3 at short time.Is it unfair?NO.good thing M79&M82A1give you chance to kill in one hit, but it also give you long reload time and bink to make you rabbit when you miss, or faceing 2 or more enemies.As for the overuse(I'm not sure),just because M79 or M82A1 is easy to use.I think that's all.

[iDante]

How interesting.M79 because it kill in one hit?then I'd say grande unfair, law unfair,even AK unfair because AK can kill 2-3 at short time.Is it unfair?NO.good thing M79&M82A1give you chance to kill in one hit, but it also give you long reload time and bink to make you rabbit when you miss, or faceing 2 or more enemies.As for the overuse(I'm not sure),just because M79 or M82A1 is easy to use.I think that's all.

ever heard of a space bar?
AK is 6 shots even close range, if you get lucky 5.

I agree with everything else though.

[refsil]

space bar?is there any action done bu pressing this key?
besides,"AK is 6 shots even close range",I think my word mean AK can kill 2-3 MAN in short time.

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

space bar?is there any action done bu pressing this key?

Yes, it actually makes your post more coherent.  But you've got the right idea.

[refsil]

well,at least tell me what space bar do.Jumping?And what do you mean coherent......

[iDante]

besides,"AK is 6 shots even close range",I think my word mean AK can kill 2-3 MAN in short time.

no its 6 hits to kill, unless I've been dreaming the past version. watch I wake up and its like just releasing 1.3.1... horrible...
I've gotten to like steyr a bit recently, not as accurate or powerful but boy is it more fun.

[Sytrus]

well,at least tell me what space bar do.Jumping?And what do you mean coherent......

It makes words stay away from each other. If you use it properly, "M79&M82A1give" becomes "M79 & M82A1 give" , wich would be the correct spelling that you should use instead of forcing the words together.

[gamer1234]

I agree that m79 and barret is unfair, and to be fair is to use other guns
like the desert egales ect. so play fair and square

[Ruki2]

I don't think that m79 or baret is unfair (not yust because i use m79) because i know when i get to experienced auto player in open spaces i get owned especialy if i used my law rocket. But i must agree that M79 users have great atvantage in CTF maps. I use this tactics: I run directly into the enemy base fiering m79 at the closest oponent, than i create a chaos by throwing nades randomly and by time i have the flag i have another m79 bullet that i dont use to kill someone but to propel me far away from the base. that works in 3 out of 10 times and only 1 of 10 times i manage to reach my base (because of people fiering auto acros the map). The end result is that im in top 3 or botom 5.

[WoooHooo]

some players are babies and say barret and m79 is unfair.
in real they are just crying cuz those too good weapons...