M79 and Barret Unfair?

[Death MachineX350]

I was playing on a M79/LAW only server and I dodged like almost all of the m79 shots because i was in the air. Thats the trick for dodging M79. Barret's dodging trick is to move randomly weaving up and down adn try to take cover. Stop whining. A whole team of either one though and ur pretty much srewed. Just find a different server.

[ArmedManiac]

 Poll 
Question: Should the Barret be adjusted? Make stronger   9 (8%)
Make weaker   20 (17.9%)
It's perfect right now   83 (74.1%)
 
Total Votes: 112
 
I realize this is from anothrer forum but they are much alike. Apperently, you were wrong parercut when oyu said most people were annoyed by it, when in reality most think its fine. You really can't argue this unless you say that the noobs think it is annoying, but they are noobs. The barret is easily doged if you are good, just roll and and dive and run, dont stand there and fight him so he can shoot you. Once again, they get very few kills compared to death. It is so overused because noobs feel so cool(i kno i did) when they can get a kill off someone good once. Granted, getting shot is no fun, but it isnt ruining in for "everyone" like you said, just you and other people who need to learn to dodge. If you use the gun yourself, which you should, you would realize it is very hard to use.

[T-Bone]

I'm an avid MP5'er, and quite frankly i have little to zero problems with ether. I'm not saying they cant kll me, but i dont have any problems eliminating them.

[ArmedManiac]

This is also true, I was usign the mp5(i play inf) and was 122 for 2 becuase i just kept running and never stopping binking to death all in my way
GO BUCKS!

[papercut]

Thats because almost 74% of people on soldat use the barret =P Why would they complain about it if they use it? I am speaking for the sake of the people who don't enjoy the m79 and barret. (My buddies that quit soldat)

[ArmedManiac]

So you are suggesting make 74% mad so your buddies can play, if thats not selfish, i dont know what it. That is why I say it is balanced, the prosecution rests its case.

[Drakor]

Theres balanced.... Then theres favored *Cough* BARRET!!! *Cough* Their not really the same thing.

On one hand, The barret kills quickly, and is super-accurate, and is half a second in crossing a screen of distance.

On the other hand... ermm...  It can be binked... Sligthly...

But then again, Is an 'inaccurate' nuke missile, made fair, just because it 'might' miss?

The Defence rests it's case.

[papercut]

Ugh! its the process of evening things out

Lets say the common soldat player is scaled on his soldat experience. 1-10. 10 being he is having the most fun.

The M79er and Barreters fun is scaled to a 9 out of ten
the non m79er and barreters are at a 7.

We even it out and everyones at a 8.

If everyones fun is at the same level, theres no argument. Hence this thread would not exist.

[jettlarue]

Well something very significant I read was that you never use m79 or barret. Why dont you practice with it, and see how it works, get comfortable with it. I did this when I was having trouble with people who use deagles or people who use mp5. Now that I am proficient with them I can have a good chance against them.


EDIT:I dont see how "fun" comes into play here, if you suck the game shouldnt dumb down for you. Thats what makes it fun for me atleast =D

[ArmedManiac]

And another point, if your good with and mp5 you *should* be able to pretty much kill a barret if you run at it right, making it hard to aim while being binked. And if you play ctf, inf, or tdm, your team should also be able to help.

Theres balanced.... Then theres favored *Cough* BARRET!!! *Cough* Their not really the same thing.

On one hand, The barret kills quickly, and is super-accurate, and is half a second in crossing a screen of distance.

On the other hand... ermm... It can be binked... Sligthly...

But then again, Is an 'inaccurate' nuke missile, made fair, just because it 'might' miss?

The Defence rests it's case.

the reload time makes it so you *should* only get one kill with a barret unless
1. you are very good
2. your enemy is so horrible they can't if kill something that cant shoot back
Barret M82A1- With a scope, extensive range upon crouching or proning, one-hit kills with every shot, and almost no gravity due to its super-fast projectiles, this sniper rifle is one of the most unique weapons out of all those in Soldat, and has a very slow firing rate and reload rate for its magazine of 10 shots. It has major bink, becomes highly inaccurate if fired while moving, and was as of since the current version (1.3.1) given a startup delay.
This is straight off the wiki soldat page under barret(obviously). Use this to your advantage, if they are moving, you run as fast as you can with an auto and kill him.
However, despite the recent update, the Barrett is still responsible for the majority of all kills in the game, although in Soldat's current version of 1.3.1 the M79 is dominating the Barrett due to its minor bink
also off the wiki sight.
And for my final modify, how would you, papercut, fix said barret and m79 without killing it?

[Death MachineX350]

Theres balanced.... Then theres favored *Cough* BARRET!!! *Cough* Their not really the same thing.

On one hand, The Barrett kills quickly, and is super-accurate, and is half a second in crossing a screen of distance.

On the other hand... ermm...  It can be binked... Sligthly...

But then again, Is an 'inaccurate' nuke missile, made fair, just because it 'might' miss?

The Defence rests it's case.

I pwn a lot with Barrett. They can be stopped. People kill me a lot. I am not bad I rank in top scores in each match. I kill ppl with Barretts a lot with machine guns. They usually get really low unless they are genuinely good. If using technical terms to sound more intelligent such as "defense" it sounds better if you spell it right(just a little hint there )

[XYZ]

The cool thing is, people who complain about the Barret just don't like it because it owns them. Guys, you're suggesting things to make the Barret useless. Just because YOU don't like the gun doesn't mean the entire game should reform to what you think. Stop making stupid threads. Stop posting the same exact idea over and over and over again. If somebody suggested it before and nobody liked it, chances are it's not going to get accepted now.

[Mr. Domino]

On one hand, The barret kills quickly, and is super-accurate, and is half a second in crossing a screen of distance.

On the other hand... ermm...  It can be binked... Sligthly...

I do agree that the Barret and M79 do need to have more problems aiming when binked by enemy fire than they currently do. I'd like to see shots from the Desert Eagles and Ruger force a longer, stronger bink on enemy weapons myself since the slight bink from the initial shot is hardly a problem for a Barret user, at least from my experience.

[-Vis-]

If using technical terms to sound more intelligent such as "defense" it sounds better if you spell it right(just a little hint there )

You do realise, of course, that "defence" is the british spelling of the word. Just a little hint there

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

If using technical terms to sound more intelligent such as "defense" it sounds better if you spell it right(just a little hint there )

You do realise, of course, that "defence" is the british spelling of the word. Just a little hint there

Silly Britains.  They should speak American instead of English.

[Drakor]

The cool thing is, people who complain about the Barret just don't like it because it owns them. Guys, you're suggesting things to make the Barret useless. Just because YOU don't like the gun doesn't mean the entire game should reform to what you think. Stop making stupid threads. Stop posting the same exact idea over and over and over again. If somebody suggested it before and nobody liked it, chances are it's not going to get accepted now.

Just a small question... How can you tell that? Are you SURE that its only non=Barret's complaining? I USED the barret... for one hour. I got 4x my normal ammount of kills vs people playing, and when i went onto a bot server, I litterally held off 20 bots from scoring once... in 30 min... When ONE weapon can do that, even if you use it/don't, It should be changed. (Unless of course its real life, Then it's just dandeh for war!)

And another point, if your good with and mp5 you *should* be able to pretty much kill a barret if you run at it right, making it hard to aim while being binked. And if you play ctf, inf, or tdm, your team should also be able to help.

Theres balanced.... Then theres favored *Cough* BARRET!!! *Cough* Their not really the same thing.

On one hand, The barret kills quickly, and is super-accurate, and is half a second in crossing a screen of distance.

On the other hand... ermm... It can be binked... Sligthly...

But then again, Is an 'inaccurate' nuke missile, made fair, just because it 'might' miss?

The Defence rests it's case.

the reload time makes it so you *should* only get one kill with a barret unless[/i][/u]
how would you, (insert a cut, and paper-ifyed name here !) [note, this wasnt quoted, it was edited to remove the name.], fix said barret and m79 without killing it?

So you know, There is a difference between 'should' and 'will'. I can make it so I dont miss a single shot with barret, which is one of the reasons i use it infrequently, and it quickly becoms a boring repietitive case of shoot, wait, unscope and check its clear, shoot, wait, unscope and check its clear... ect.

And to fix the barret would be simple, Make it so only a headshot would kill. Anyone really 'good' with a barret would easily enough ajust, and it would deter noobs from using it because of the high precision needed. It would still weaken them enough to be killed with a few socom shots if it hit them in the body, so even if they were close, it would still be usable, but not as... Annoying, instakilling, super-destroying-one-shot-fiftykabillionjillion%-chance-o-doomed-damned-death barret like.

So you are suggesting make 74% mad so your buddies can play, if thats not selfish, i dont know what it. That is why I say it is balanced, the prosecution rests its case.

I still feel that there's ballance, and there's favored weps. might be just me, but if you liked something, because you could easily use it, and you were a noob, Would you want to make it harder to use, and more 'ballanced'? or would you like the instakilling-super-easy-noob wep as it was?


(Note, My oppinion on barret is that it is easy. My experience with barret is that it is easiER than any of the auto's, the ruger, or even the m79. It's Gotta Change.)

(Note, My oppinion of 1 hit killing weapons is rather low, unless they have severe limitations placed on them, to make it so that the game is actually 'playable' for anyone *not* using the 1 hit killing weapon.)

(Note, my oppinon on m79 is, 2x the dmg, 90% o the range, 120% of reload, and it would be fine.)

(Note, my oppinion on the law is, 1.5X dmg, 110% of range, and 95% of reload. Its a bit TOO weak...)

(Note, my oppinion on everything else is long winded, don't even ask if you dont want a seven page essay, not including illustrations.)

(Note, I'm Oppinionistic, and i got a lotta oppinions. )

[papercut]

Careful as to what you guys are saying. Some of you automatically look to me as someone who sucks at soldat because i think barrets are unfair and blah-blah-blah

I understand that m79s and barrets dont completely own everyone. I've had my share of being killed by them, and I have had an even bigger share of killing them. I have used the m79 and barret before, but I dont anymore for the same reason I'm complaining about it. However I, myself was able to get a ton of kills without getting shot, I still notice that most people who use them have the same amount of deaths as kills.

I realize that

Whether the guns are dumbed down to the lowest degree, it wont make them any more interesting to be killed by. Its the psychology of it. It's like stopping a CD in the middle of your favorite song, or being woken up early in the morning. It's not fun

The barret users and m79 users keep waking me, my buddies, and anyone else who hates the barret, up in the morning and pausing our favorite songs.

Does anyone get what I mean?

[ArmedManiac]

I has of yet to see a idea that wouldnt kill the barret. It is good. Yes. It intant kills. Yes. But look at how many use it. If it is as good as you say, everyone would use it, and at this point no one does. If you could come up with a sound idea(that head shot was pretty bad) i would be all for it. It is hard for most n00bs to kill you, but it inst that hard. You guys are acting like you can get 50 kills and 0 deaths easily every game. Stop kidding yourselves and acting like it owns all and just accept that there is no real way to "fix" a one hit kill gun like the barret, thats why there is a ruger.

[T-Bone]

Am i wrong in saying that papercut is wasting his/our time with this nonsense? (not that being on the forums doesnt lol  )

[ArmedManiac]

I don't believe this is wrong T, it would make mad more than make happy.