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Just a small question... How can you tell that? Are you SURE that its only non=Barret's complaining? I USED the barret... for one hour. I got 4x my normal ammount of kills vs people playing, and when i went onto a bot server, I litterally held off 20 bots from scoring once... in 30 min... When ONE weapon can do that, even if you use it/don't, It should be changed. (Unless of course its real life, Then it's just dandeh for war!)
Man, I've played so many games, and have met so many crybabies (YOU ARE, GET OVER IT!) like papercut. From the stationary gun era where people *****ed to me about how I used stationary guns without remorse in the passworded DNAGames servers, to the BFG in Doom, to snaking in MK:DS, and now, we have this. Just to show that this happens EVERYWHERE, and you're not making Soldat look bad by whining about this bull. You really do all sound stupid after a while. You understand, papercut? I don't care if you're trying to make yourself look innocent by saying you're doing this for "other crybabies." There are people out there, papercut, whether you like it or not, that just quit games they feel they should rock at, but get slapped into the face with reality when they walk into online servers and get their sorry little poop chutes clogged up by experienced players. They don't bother to learn why they were being owned in the first place, and just leave forever like little babies. You're acting like one of them, and I declare your buddies these kind of people, too. But, let me say it to them, then, if you claim you're not like them;IT'S A GOD DAMNED GAME! "A barret or M79 user is able to quickly take out their enemies without the horror of getting shot." I could say the same thing for my Deagles, especially against an M79. I could shoot them from a longer range, while the M79er would have to shoot at an arc he's not likely to get me at, especially if I'm on the ground. A barret camper can be picked off by a grenade depending on where he is, or picked off by a spray of projectiles. In any mode. DM, Rambo, HTF? Other people. CTF, TeamDM, INF? Rush from other team. A moving barret user can't shoot you as easily, and if he rushes into two projectile users, closed casket kthx. That's not just from when I've attacked snipers and M79ers by myself or with other people/teammates, but when I've used the Barret and M79. Now, an arrogant or stupid player will probably say there's no danger to using the Barret or M79. But, a smart player knows his vunerabilites with either weapon. But, how the hell do YOU try to tell us about whether there's "horrors" or not from using weapons that YOU SAY YOU NEVER REALLY USED? That alone makes you feel like a crybaby, but now you're trying to tell people how to play just so you can quote on quote "have a chance?" If you can't counter things like that, who's to say you won't get owned even if you're granted that handicap for whatever reason, huh? The mere fact you think there's no true reprecussion to using a Barret or M79 proves your ignorance. How's this; LEARN to actually play, and stop telling other people they don't know how, when it's clear who doesn't; YOU. I'd say a lot more right now, but I have to go to my school's college fair. I wonder if people that give up on games that they feel is not fair to them, give up on college because it's "unfair" and too tough for them too...hmm..well, see ya.
Quote from: Xxypher on June 30, 2007, 04:12:24 pmYour acting like your having a duel and your opponent gets a pistol and you get a spork.Isn't that pretty much what it is? I dunno wtf a spork is, I suppose it's way weaker than the pistol since you compared that to this.
Your acting like your having a duel and your opponent gets a pistol and you get a spork.
Man, I've played so many games, and have met so many crybabies (YOU ARE, GET OVER IT!) like papercut. Cry baby?? Excuse me? Did I ever once cry about getting owned by these guns?
Are you insinuating that you're afraid of change?
I made clear in a recent post that I DID use the barret and the M79, and it was rather easy compared to the rest of the guns. You prove YOUR ignorance right there. Whats the harm of making fair for the rest? I dont care if you dont give a **** about the equality of the game, but theres people who do. Quote on quote "so I have a chance?" where did I say that?
"I hope M79 and Barret users take a look at this, stop being so selfish by at least giving their opponents a chance of killing them to make soldat more enjoyable to play for everyone. i hope you all consider how fun this game is for the people you play with, and not just how fun it is to yourself. You can do this by simply varying your weapon choices, theres already 14 to pick from!" is what i said. I never told anyone to do anything. Yet again proving your ignorance.
Soldat can be modified to be fair. College can not.
(Note, my oppinion on the law is, 1.5X dmg, 110% of range, and 95% of reload. Its a bit TOO weak...)
(Note, my oppinion on everything else is long winded, don't even ask if you dont want a seven page essay, not including illustrations.)(Note, I'm Oppinionistic, and i got a lotta oppinions. )
I still would love to see the Barret made a sniping weapon that would require it to be in a grounded crouched or prone zoomed out position before firing with a somewhat increased reload rate. If not as a default change, then perhaps as an option.
How's this; LEARN to actually play, and stop telling other people they don't know how, when it's clear who doesn't; YOU."I hope M79 and Barret users take a look at this, stop being so selfish by at least giving their opponents a chance of killing them to make soldat more enjoyable to play for everyone. i hope you all consider how fun this game is for the people you play with, and not just how fun it is to yourself. You can do this by simply varying your weapon choices, theres already 14 to pick from!" is what i said. I never told anyone to do anything. Yet again proving your ignorance.
M79This is the most controversial of all weapons. It's a one hit kill weapon, but unless the firer know what he's doing, he must be at a very close range to be accurate. For this reason, it's easy to defend against the m79. The shots are predictable and easy to dodge. Also, the ruger and other long range weapons can defeat it easily.BarretSure it's annoying to be killed by one of these, but its startup time makes it difficult to aim and easy to dodge. Also, if the shot misses, the barreter is screwed. The scope lets the sniper see much farther, but he is very vulnerable to attack in this state. Autos bink the barret so much that the duel becomes a foregone conclusion.
The weapons are balanced. The question of balance occurs when new players (and many regular players) fail to recognize disadvantageous situations. Of course you're going to die if you charge an m79 or shotgun. Obviously you'll lose if you try to take on an auto with a binkable weapon. That doesn't mean the weapons are unbalanced; it just means that you don't know how to make the best of your situation. Experienced players take advantage of (or avoid) these mismatches, which is why they do much better. Any weapon looks overpowered in the hands of an expert. Any weapon looks weak in the hands of a novice. You might be surprised at how often a new player will miss with the m79. If he hits you one out of five times, the instakill will still be annoying. But that doesn't mean the weapon is overpowered.Again, the weapons are very well balanced. Before you complain that a weapon is overpowered, try it out yourself. Before you complain that a weapon is underpowered, look for people who constantly use that weapon. Don't you think they have a reason for making it their primary? Lastly, experiment with new tactics. Learn how to avoid the instakill shots. Learn how to avoid self-bink. Learn which weapons are best against others. But please, stop complaining that the weapons are unbalanced.
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Quote from: Mr. Domino on October 24, 2006, 04:29:29 pmI still would love to see the Barret made a sniping weapon that would require it to be in a grounded crouched or prone zoomed out position before firing with a somewhat increased reload rate. If not as a default change, then perhaps as an option.No you wouldn't. Once that happened, everyone would whine about barret campers. It's bad enough being killed in one hit; no one wants to be killed in one hit by something they can't see.
@T-Bone - OMGZ0RS TEH M79ERZ N BAERRTS RA PWNING ME I H8 TEM ALLL!!!!11I'm gonna take a wild guess that this is what your oblivious gray matter thinks this thread is about.I'm not whining that the M79s and Barrets are unfair! I'm simply stating that the guns do nothing more than make soldat less enjoyable to play.I am pretty colorful with the english language, but I can't seem to find a way to make it any more clear to you that any other gun is more fun to get killed by. The barrets and M79 are not.
Quote from: Drakor on October 24, 2006, 02:13:25 pm(Note, my oppinion on the law is, 1.5X dmg, 110% of range, and 95% of reload. Its a bit TOO weak...)LAW is the only weapon that can take out a player with a vest from across the map. It's not too weak.
Quote from: Drakor on October 24, 2006, 02:13:25 pm(Note, my oppinion on everything else is long winded, don't even ask if you dont want a seven page essay, not including illustrations.)(Note, I'm Oppinionistic, and i got a lotta oppinions. )Ahhhh! It burns the eyes! So many mispellings! Opinion is spelled with one 'p', not two!
Quote from: papercut on October 24, 2006, 08:01:07 pmHow's this; LEARN to actually play, and stop telling other people they don't know how, when it's clear who doesn't; YOU."I hope M79 and Barret users take a look at this, stop being so selfish by at least giving their opponents a chance of killing them to make soldat more enjoyable to play for everyone. i hope you all consider how fun this game is for the people you play with, and not just how fun it is to yourself. You can do this by simply varying your weapon choices, theres already 14 to pick from!" is what i said. I never told anyone to do anything. Yet again proving your ignorance.My response:Quote from: {LAW} Gamer_2k4M79This is the most controversial of all weapons. It's a one hit kill weapon, but unless the firer know what he's doing, he must be at a very close range to be accurate. For this reason, it's easy to defend against the m79. The shots are predictable and easy to dodge. Also, the ruger and other long range weapons can defeat it easily.BarretSure it's annoying to be killed by one of these, but its startup time makes it difficult to aim and easy to dodge. Also, if the shot misses, the barreter is screwed. The scope lets the sniper see much farther, but he is very vulnerable to attack in this state. Autos bink the barret so much that the duel becomes a foregone conclusion.
Quote from: {LAW} Gamer_2k4The weapons are balanced. The question of balance occurs when new players (and many regular players) fail to recognize disadvantageous situations. Of course you're going to die if you charge an m79 or shotgun. Obviously you'll lose if you try to take on an auto with a binkable weapon. That doesn't mean the weapons are unbalanced; it just means that you don't know how to make the best of your situation. Experienced players take advantage of (or avoid) these mismatches, which is why they do much better. Any weapon looks overpowered in the hands of an expert. Any weapon looks weak in the hands of a novice. You might be surprised at how often a new player will miss with the m79. If he hits you one out of five times, the instakill will still be annoying. But that doesn't mean the weapon is overpowered.Again, the weapons are very well balanced. Before you complain that a weapon is overpowered, try it out yourself. Before you complain that a weapon is underpowered, look for people who constantly use that weapon. Don't you think they have a reason for making it their primary? Lastly, experiment with new tactics. Learn how to avoid the instakill shots. Learn how to avoid self-bink. Learn which weapons are best against others. But please, stop complaining that the weapons are unbalanced.
papercut, since you think that barret and m79 users have 'more fun', why don't you pick up a barret and have more fun too. Then you can be at 9 fun just like everyone else, instead of at 7 fun (alluding to your previous comparison). You may say, "Well it's fun for them because they like using the barret. I wouldn't have as much fun using it." In other words, you're advocating that barret users have less fun by switching. Also, this proves that fun is based on your weapon choice, so you should be having as much fun with the weapon you like. "Okay, point taken, but they have more fun because they get more kills and fewer deaths." It follows that if you grabbed a barret, you'd be having fun. If you choose to stick with your weapon, you should practice with it (like they have) so that you too can do well. "You got me again. But you're forgetting that different things are fun for different people." So why are you assuming that no one else is having fun, just because you aren't? If the game isn't fun for you, you don't have to play it. Or you could play against bots, so you always win. Bottom line is, if you don't like playing online against people, don't do it.
Quote from: {LAW} Gamer_2k4 on October 25, 2006, 12:15:45 pmQuote from: Drakor on October 24, 2006, 02:13:25 pm(Note, my oppinion on the law is, 1.5X dmg, 110% of range, and 95% of reload. Its a bit TOO weak...)LAW is the only weapon that can take out a player with a vest from across the map. It's not too weak.I know that, but if we strengthen this, then barrets would try this weapon instad of the barret... It would givethem something 'else' rather than the barret for a while.
Quote from: {LAW} Gamer_2k4M79This is the most controversial of all weapons. It's a one hit kill weapon, but unless the firer know what he's doing, he must be at a very close range to be accurate. For this reason, it's easy to defend against the m79. The shots are predictable and easy to dodge. Also, the ruger and other long range weapons can defeat it easily.BarretSure it's annoying to be killed by one of these, but its startup time makes it difficult to aim and easy to dodge. Also, if the shot misses, the barreter is screwed. The scope lets the sniper see much farther, but he is very vulnerable to attack in this state. Autos bink the barret so much that the duel becomes a foregone conclusion.I dont think you realise just how USELESS trying to bink a gun is, when you cant see it.
As for the m79, while it IS easy to dodge, If you dodge, He can still reload, If you dodge, it implies you change your movement pattern, well, Changing a movement pattern causes a moment of bad aim, in any player i've seen. So, In effect, M79 shoots, he misses, he gets a free 2nd shot, maybe 3rd. If he misses with the 1st and 2nd, he still has 1/3 of a chance to hit.
Quote from: {LAW} Gamer_2k4The weapons are balanced. The question of balance occurs when new players (and many regular players) fail to recognize disadvantageous situations. Of course you're going to die if you charge an m79 or shotgun. Obviously you'll lose if you try to take on an auto with a binkable weapon. That doesn't mean the weapons are unbalanced; it just means that you don't know how to make the best of your situation. Experienced players take advantage of (or avoid) these mismatches, which is why they do much better. Any weapon looks overpowered in the hands of an expert. Any weapon looks weak in the hands of a novice. You might be surprised at how often a new player will miss with the m79. If he hits you one out of five times, the instakill will still be annoying. But that doesn't mean the weapon is overpowered.Again, the weapons are very well balanced. Before you complain that a weapon is overpowered, try it out yourself. Before you complain that a weapon is underpowered, look for people who constantly use that weapon. Don't you think they have a reason for making it their primary? Lastly, experiment with new tactics. Learn how to avoid the instakill shots. Learn how to avoid self-bink. Learn which weapons are best against others. But please, stop complaining that the weapons are unbalanced.A weak weapon is a weak weapon. A strong weapon is a strong weapon. An overpowerd weapon is an overpowered weapon. An m79 is worse. A super weapon is instant doom. Barret falls far PAST this, because not only is it instant death... Its instant death on a long stick.
In DM, I have honestly found though, that barret is much harder, cause EVERYONE's shooting you... but, One lucky shoot could still go through 2 weakend people... oh say, 2 Major(Insert#'s)s... who were in a line from him.
What i really hate is the fact that everyone says that the barret is hard to use... guess what... IT'S NOT!!! I can EASILY dominate a match with it. The m79 isnt as bad, but could stand to be made less quick firing... 1 shot every 3.10 seconds, How much dmg in 12 seconds of fighting? 16500 x 4 = 66000 damage. 18 seconds? 99000 dmg. 22 seconds? 165000 dmg...
Tell me, just how long does it take to kill an m79/barret... It doesn't take so quick as to give them 1 shot, but not so slow as to give them 10 shots. Record how long it takes to kill an m79, from start to finish, Then tell me... Just how much damage could he have done? did he get one shot?
If you look at the weapons.ini file, you'll see that it takes 186 ticks for the m79 to complete a firing (one shot, one kill). It takes 260 ticks for the ruger to complete a firing (four shots, two kills). An m79 requires 372 ticks before it can make a third kill. A ruger can make three kills in 340 ticks (160 for clip, 100 for reload, 80 for next two shots). This advantage increases as more shots are fired. Five firings for the ruger (10 kills) take 1300 ticks. Ten firings for the m79 (10 kills) take 1860 ticks. Let's say you only get leg shots, so every kill takes three hits for the ruger (still one for the m79). After three firings with the ruger (780 ticks), you get four kills. After four firings with the m79 (744 ticks), you also get four kills. So yes, if you always hit with the m79 and only sometimes hit with the ruger, the m79 is slightly better. However, even m79ers don't hit every time.Anyway, there's the math behind Soldat . Let me know if you see any errors with it.
After some kills back and forth, Dagerous Dave is now using the trusty Barret and Danko is still using the Mp5, and they are both at 100% health. Danko and Dangerous Dave both see each other at the same time again. Dangerous Dave is able to blast Danko with the barret at the same time Danko was about to shoot. Danko is dead at 0% health, while Dangerous Dave is at 100%. this 100% health gives Dangerous Dave the oppurtunity to pull off that exact act again, giving him the same easy possibility to get kills.A barret or M79 user is able to quickly take out their enemies without the horror of getting shot. However, if two people were to use other weapons, (like desert eagles, steyr, ak74, etc) the person who dies is still able to knock off most of his opponent's health. (Which evidently, is a lot more relieving than getting killed with your enemy still at 100%) The only thing making a barret or m79 user vulnerable is their imperfect aiming. Missing with a barret or an m79 can be very devastating. However an experienced soldat player could use his barret or m79 and get direct shots 9/10 times. Which obviously, is really frustrating to his victims.