M79 and Barret Unfair?

[T-Bone]

Since we are all here to draft a new constitution.......[/sarcasm]

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

Is it stupid that the government listens to peoples ideas in order to perfect a better society? To shape a better country? To make the country a better living space for all?

Says the person who refers to himself as a communist. >_>

[ultraman]

I'm sick of people complaining about M79, it takes a great deal of skill IMO to hit with M79 every time due to the tragectory of the grenade, this may be less at close range, but most people will be dead before they get to close range with M79. As for the Barret, I don't like it, but I've learned to deal with it, after all, in real like, a sniper is one hit kill every time. I don't see any terrorists yelling out "z0mfg H4xX0rz w1t teh B4rr3tzors j00 n00b" every time one of them is shot by an American sniper.

[Clawbug]

I'm sick of people complaining about M79, it takes a great deal of skill IMO to hit with M79 every time due to the tragectory of the grenade, this may be less at close range, but most people will be dead before they get to close range with M79. As for the Barret, I don't like it, but I've learned to deal with it, after all, in real like, a sniper is one hit kill every time. I don't see any terrorists yelling out "z0mfg H4xX0rz w1t teh B4rr3tzors j00 n00b" every time one of them is shot by an American sniper.

Soldat != Real life.

It is not the skill, but the "I cant do almost anything when i am hit". It happens so fast. Is it fair? YES Imo.

Who is going to disagree with me, should play more Soldat.

[Ouchek]

Or put your dls on

[Clawbug]

Or put your dls on

Hehe. True.

Too bad it is a bit 50/60 thing, since your "hits" are misses for others.

[Pyroguy]

Meh. The issue with Berret and M79 is simple. You can get one easy kill, and then have to reload; the M79 has a shorter reload, but takes a little more skill than the Berret. If you can live long enough to reload, you are set. If you don't, then someone kills you and you respawn. However, people in Soldat deathmatch tend to not have anyone around, because people kill each other off, so Berrets and M79s are weapons of choice due to the fact that they are extremely good at taking out singular people. If you are on a CTF match, berrets and M79s are easy to take out with a buddy; and M79s are easy to take out if you keep a good distance.

[ArmedManiac]

omg, the saw kills in (pretty much) one hit, tone it down, people hurt my feelings when they kill me with the saw, make it suck so i have better self esteem. (sarcasm) No, barret and m79 are fine. At this point being blunt is the only way to go, usually only n00bs and a few other selects complain, just leave the gun alone. Though i think that people that only use barret and stupid because other guns are good at other circumstances. It is much better to attack with a mp5 and saw than barret. Just stop complaining, ur getting nowhere.

[papercut]

I've been playing soldat more than usual that past few days and the use of barrets and m79s has very well toned down a tad. Exactly my wish =D. Soldat was far more enjoyable to play when the people who were good at soldat arent the ones using only barrets and m79s. I found several people who were owning in soldat using steyrs, mp5s, aks, even socoms. I prefer that it stay that the people who are good at soldat vary in weapon choices instead of barret and m79 over and over and over again. If anyone has a problem with fighting a lack of m79ers and barreters please let me know and explain why. I don't know why you guys automatically look at this thread as a noob whos whining.

Is it stupid that the government listens to peoples ideas in order to perfect a better society? To shape a better country? To make the country a better living space for all?

Says the person who refers to himself as a communist. >_>

Whats that supposed to mean? Communism was designed to shape the country, and make it a better living space for all. So what if it failed in the past, it was Josef Stalin who ****ed it up, and made everyone believe it was bad. If you have the right leaders, communism would work.

[ultraman]

@Clawbug: Soldat does NOT = Real life, in real life, someone would die in 1 shot from a minigun, in real life, someone would die in one shot from a SOCOM FFS! Get your ****together

[ZWZ]

I can't believe how many uninformed people can make complain about the m79. Honestly.

Pick up a M79 and use it. You'll find out in certain situations, it's very difficult to hit people. Good players know this and use proper positioning to make sure it will be very hard to ever hit them.

Before you tell me some stuff about one hit kills or whatever consider this.

You are running to the opponents base, there are 3 average players there. If they are all using m79's you can probably take their flag and escape unhurt. If all three are using augs/AK's, you'll be luckly to kill one of them before you are dead.

Now pretend you are facing some one who A) Can aim B) uses an auto C) know how not to get hit by a m79 grendade by playing smart.  Using a M79 isnt all it seems.

M79 is far from overpowered.

[pinOi32]

their 1 hit kills is what makes them special. but then, there are some drawbacks for each wep. for barret, theres the slow reload, and u actually have to hold your aim at the person youre trying to shoot. for m79, u have to remember that from long distances, the m79 grenade arches, and also the damage that it will deal to u if u hit an enemy that's close by.

[Senik]

I like this thread.

I didn't read all of it, though. This is only in response to the first post.

I've used the M79 since I started playing Soldat, which was somewhere around ~2 years ago. I love it, and I use it most of the time. I will only switch weapons when I get sprayed heavily or when my accuracy with the M79 is poor; when this is the case, I use AK or Steyr, but the M79 is my love and I prefer it over any other. I guess that makes me instantly resented by many such as yourself who find it unfair. However, I find your arguments quite ridiculous.

You say the M79 is unfair because it has the capacity to kill in 1 shot, as it will do most of the time, provided that the server is good and the players in it have low pings. I do not see how this gives it any advantage over any other weapon. First of all, several other weapons have the ability to kill in 1 shot, and I don't just mean the Barret. Anybody who is competent with grenades can easily kill as quickly as an M79 user; 1 nade + 1 shot from any semi-auto, or 1 nade + a short burst from any auto can and will kill instantly, just as often as an M79 will.

Also, I fail to understand how someone using the M79 is being inconsiderate or selfish by using it. It seems to me that you are, in essence, saying that it's not nice to use the M79 because other people don't like getting killed with it. That could apply to any of the other weapons as well. After all, who likes being killed? Is it fun to be killed by any weapon?

I admit that sometimes it can be quite frustrating to be killed over and over again by a player who is very adept at using a one-hit-kill weapon. However, any player who is skilled with an AK-74, or with a Steyr, or with any other weapon, can do just as well and be just as frustrating as a player who is skilled with the one-hits. It is a game, and it is meant to be fun, so I can understand that you think it takes fun away from others when people use the M79 or Barret. However, you should consider whether you would be taking away their fun by having them use other weapons instead.

[ArmedManiac]

I believe you just hit the nail on the head, senik. You have touched upon all the arguements that I and others have. Thank you for putting it in one post, as well as adding any gun can be very good in a skilled persons hands, it just so happens it IS esier for a n00b to get a few kills with a one-hit weapon. Just becuase a noob has slightly more fun getting a few more kills than usuall and makes you mad doesnt mean it should be worst. As for using other guns, it isn't your business to tell them what guns to use and when, although other guns ARE fun once in awhile. Just leave alone the barret and '79 and stop whining and telling others what to do.

[Mr. Domino]

I agree, and I think the frustration is also due in part to many people just not knowing how to best handle certain situations and weapons. Just as new players will stay grounded to attempt to retaliate against a chainsaw spawn killer, many don't know how to either avoid the M79 shot or understand that if you stay out of range you can rather easily pick it apart. Yeah, it's annoying how many can M79 users can flood servers at times, and it's a pain when your point blank death has no impact on the shooter, but the weapon is hardly the end times for Soldat as so many make it out to be.

[soulblade]

No M79 is frustrating because if you run along towards the enemy's base in ctf and you come across an m79er, there is no time for you to get away from the m79ers range and its like a free shot for the m79er. Sure you may be able to prone dodge it or sumthing like that, but any slightly skilled player will get you. This is the same for barret except you have slightly more time as its got the delay.

With any other weapon, you have the time to jump out of range of their gun.
With m79er approaching you don't have that option and thats wats v. annoying!!

So don't say m79 is easy to kill as long as you keep your distance because whenever you first see the m79er 
Your Already Too Close!!!

[Mr. Domino]

No M79 is frustrating because if you run along towards the enemy's base in ctf and you come across an m79er, there is no time for you to get away from the m79ers range and its like a free shot for the m79er.

Don't run across the map blind. If you're that careless of the enemy and surroundings, you deserve to die. It's a war game, and thinking you should be able to dash across the map so quickly and easily without any threats waiting for you just doesn't make sense.

[Tai]

Yeah, I agree with everything senik said as well. It's just a game, and singling out two weapons and making them seem immature to use just because their more intiminating than the other weapons is just childish. Why is everyone else part of the problem when your problem is that the barrets and M79s truly challenge you on Soldat, and you don't like that? A person better than that would look for a way to work around those weapons and make it hard for people to kill you with them, not whine that the game's unfair and people shouldn't use those weapons.

[Wraithlike]

Just because you're too lazy to figure out how to beat a barrett-er or an m79-er, it doesn't mean you should immediatly scream unfair. First:

The Barret:
you get one shot, and you have to wait for however long the startup is. All you have to do is dodge one shot. Then you can get out about 3 magazines of mp5 ammo before they can even fire again. Or, if dodging one shot is too much for you, you can fire at them and hit them once. Thats it, just one time. And once you do that, they either have to try to get a lucky shot, or wait for the bink to wear down, but the bink doesn't wear off if you keep shooting them.

The M79:
I can even see why people dislike this gun. The only thing that makes it over powered, is that people compare it to only the Spas-12 and the Deagles. They have the 3 slowest moving projectiles of all the primary weapons, with the m79's being the slowest. Honestly, learn to dodge the single shot they can fire on you. Oh, you say they fire point blank? Well don't let them, kill them first you idiot.

See, it's all your fault that they kill you.

[F3nyx]

hay guys, i was in Elite Explosives 2day and EVRYBUDY wuz using M79

i wuz liek wtf, use sum diffrent guns 4 once...........

srsly its so ovrused....... needs nerf imho, thx